Integrity of videotaped runs... Sascha

[SUPERSTAR]

SUP:

Another great post, but as I wrote to sausage, I offer you the same -- that we'll just agree to disagree. I didn't want you to get into an analytical thing (as you mention above). Although you raise good points, I don't agree with all of them, and I won't get into a JB Cases-esque point-by-point dissection that looks like we both took the "red pill" to spiral down rabbit holes. I think it's just safe to say we respectfully agree to disagree with each other, right? We both said our piece (or "peace" as it were), and I think everything stands as it is, leaving it up to the reader to decide upon his/her own. I think that's fair.

Agree?

Respectfully,
-Sean

Actually, i don't have a problem with any opinion in this thread.
There are those who feel the need to forgive, and there are those who don't.

I can understand both sides of it, despite having the convictions that i do.
I was just voicing my opinion because it seems that some of the forgivers, were getting upset with sausage.

Personally, i don't know sascha.
So i have no beef with him as i don't feel he wronged me.

But i can certainly relate to those who he might have befriended, who don't want to forgive him, and i felt i should point out some things for those who don't understand why they might feel that way.

That's all.

 

[markatwork]

did it,got caught,admitted it was wrong,apologized for the wrong



its on him and him alone...i doubt if he lost any close friends over it...he took the jabs from us and if he loses any respect from us because of it...he already said it...he accepts it

 

[sascha]

so far, all my friends here and others that want me to be here and enjoy my videos all have forgiven. I did not loose any at all and that means a lot to me and makes me happy.

 

[sausage]

And by the way, you need to be more careful in the future of how you quote people. A LOT MORE CAREFUL. That quote you show mid-way in your post above? That's not mine, and doesn't belong in the context of replying to my post, without attributing to the person who really wrote it. And you've also quoted my posts pretty sloppily, cutting out HUGE SWATHS of text and only replying to little "side" tidbits, but conveniently ignoring the juicy stuff that was the real point I was trying to get across to you. (In fact, when I read your replies, I said to myself, "whoa, what a HUGE f'ing snip! And he only replied to 'that' point, which wasn't the main one?") Just be more careful with this in the future, ok?

i'm trying to keep from posting an entire quote when i just want to respond to a snippet. if i screwed it up it was unintentional.

That quote you show mid-way in your post above? That's not mine,

where is that again? if i made a mistake i will edit it out.

I can understand both sides of it, despite having the convictions that i do.
I was just voicing my opinion because it seems that some of the forgivers, were getting upset with sausage.

yeah, i'm getting the grief that should be directed at sascha. very odd indeed....

 

[Marop]

I did not loose any at all and that means a lot to me and makes me happy.

Not quite sure this statement is true.

 

[sascha]

Not quite sure this statement is true.

ok maybe 1 or 2 then. Hope you can forgive some day.

 

[markatwork]

my last post about it...lets move on

 

[JusticeNJ]

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my last post about it...lets move on

what happens if the idea involves people and events?

let the dialogue run its course. you aren't obligated to be involved much in the same fashion that you argue the same for others.

 

[sfleinen]

i'm trying to keep from posting an entire quote when i just want to respond to a snippet. if i screwed it up it was unintentional.

That's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about you picking out the little side tidbits which having nothing to do with the main point, and replying only to those, completely snipping out the main point itself.

where is that again? if i made a mistake i will edit it out.

sausage, you're not paying attention, or else you're just glossing over things. I'm talking about this quote:

his actions show a character flaw.

...which I did *NOT* write, but you included it in your response to me, quoted as if it came from me.

I can understand both sides of it, despite having the convictions that i do.
I was just voicing my opinion because it seems that some of the forgivers, were getting upset with sausage.

yeah, i'm getting the grief that should be directed at sascha. very odd indeed....

And here you did it again -- inserting a quote that I did not write, into a response to me! This time, though, I know where that quote came from -- Superstar. You're just slapping text around in your replies, without a care who they're from or who they're directed to, much like you're cutting up paper mache from several different sources, re-gluing the pieces to a single sheet of paper, and then handing that to a single person and saying "here's 'your' reply." *That* is what I'm talking about. I understand you want to save time, but you need to be more careful.

Sausage, if you want to quote multiple people for the purposes of replying in a single message, please use the Multi-Quote button to "mark" each post that you want to reply to, and then click any of those marked message's "Quote" button. This will place each person's quote, with attribution to that person, into the message box properly, and you can insert your reply text as you please -- so you'll have replied to all people concerned in one message, and attributed the source correctly.

Ok?
-Sean

 

[sausage]

Not quite sure this statement is true.

this is just one reason why i think that sascha doesn't get it and never will.

 

[sausage]

And here you did it again -- inserting a quote that I did not write, into a response to me! This time, though, I know where that quote came from -- Superstar. You're just slapping text around in your replies, without a care who they're from or who they're directed to, much like you're cutting up paper mache from several different sources, re-gluing the pieces to a single sheet of paper, and then handing that to a single person and saying "here's 'your' reply." *That* is what I'm talking about. I understand you want to save time, but you need to be more careful.

no it costs me more time. and NO, i didn't "do it again". i wasn't talking to you directly i was talking about the GENERAL grief all have given me over sascha's actions. you are freakin me out....

DISCLAIMER: SEAN WROTE THE STATEMENT BELOW TO WHICH I WILL REPLY BELOW HIS STATEMENT.

Sausage, if you want to quote multiple people for the purposes of replying in a single message, please use the Multi-Quote button to "mark" each post that you want to reply to, and then click any of those marked message's "Quote" button. This will place each person's quote, with attribution to that person, into the message box properly, and you can insert your reply text as you please -- so you'll have replied to all people concerned in one message, and attributed the source correctly.

Ok?
-Sean

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MY REPLY TO SEAN'S STATEMENT ABOVE. THE NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT.
it's clear that the only one who misunderstood my post was you. you keep assuming that everything i say is directed to you. don't worry because i'm no longer going to respond to your posts. just stay out of my way and i'll stay out of yours. OK?

 

[sausage]

what happens if the idea involves people and events?

let the dialogue run its course. you aren't obligated to be involved much in the same fashion that you argue the same for others.

DISCLAIMER; IN THE STATEMENT BELOW, I AM SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE QUOTED TEXT ABOVE AND NO FURTHER SIGNIFICANCE UPON IT SHOULD BE INFERRED BY ANYONE OR ANYTHING BE THEY ANIMAL VEGETABLE OR MINERAL.
some people here don't understand that they don't have to post and or read this thread if they do not wish. sascha is clearly emboldened by the lack of condemnation of his actions and the support he's gotten. it's sickening....

 

[sausage]

and another thing: how much of a bonehead must one be to think that they can fudge on 14.1 videos under the scrutiny of the best 14.1 players on the planet? LOL!

 

[ForumGhost516]

Guys seriously we have nothing better to do but jibba jabba about this more and more and more.

I will say this. As i do not know the man at all except for what he posts here I can not vouch for his character but if Stevekur1 (Steve) wants to give him a second chance I stand behind him and that in solidarity and brotherhood.

That being said in all honesty I think what was done was stupid and ill advised (duh) but in all honesty people are entitled to their opinions on the matter and as this is a public forum are allowed to voice them.

In all honesty in my humble opinion whatever sascha posts from now on will be suspect simple as that and I am sure that we will all be watching like hawks if he does indeed have the testicular fortitude to post another video.

I mean i get that he admitted it, but I agree with Steve Lipsky here, of course he admitted it he had to cause he got caught. My question is how many more videos would we have been duped by. I mean in one shot for all we know he could be wearing a brown shirt and the next shot a red shirt.

Let it go already who gives a crap anymore. People forgave him and let him off the hook for lying to all of us. Simple as that. If the mods havent banned him then we as mere mortals here on AZ have no other say in the matter.

As i said before I hope sascha can make it back to the promise land of AZ Billiards where the knowledge flows from people like Blackjack Steve Lipsky Marop and more. People share ideas back and forth and discuss this game in depth.

In all honesty this forum is a driving force behind my own straight pool game and I can honestly say I really think we all root for each other to do better and better not only for ourselves but something bigger than all of us. Its incredible to see the shared knowledge and feelings of friendship here and that is why I think this blow to all of us hurt the most.

A very smart guy (Sfeinen) once made me realize this particular forum needs to be protected and right now I feel that it needs to be protected from the bickering back and forth.

Just let it go and shoot pool. Simple as that.

 

[john schmidt]

hand ball

you know sacha you are like 6ft4 but right now you probably feel so small you could play handball off a curb.thats actually one off marops many funny lines but i thought id borrow it.
im not perfect so im not going to chastise u like ive never done anything wrong.

i will say this sacha im greatly dissapointed in you ,but unless u are greatly dissapointed yourself nothing good will come from this.

the sad part is you might run 150 tomorrow and nobody on here will believe u.

maybe im being brutal but i know how hard it is to run big numbers ,so when somebody claims they are doing it without actually doing it ,i get kinda pissed.

well ive had a rough day so maybe i should have stayed off here but thats my 2 cents sacha .

remember im not saying ive never done anything wrong but when i have im not putting it on video asking people to watch and praise it.

hopefully you come out off this ordeal a better person .

 

[sascha]

thanks for the words john, i apreciate it. I apologized and some accepted it. All i can do from here is posting runs that are not cheated to prove i won´t do that again. What else can i do ??? Of course you guys will triple check every ball but that is just fine with me. I deserved that but like i said before you won´t find anything in future runs.

I really hope that you can also forgive me someday for doing that shit.

 

[sfleinen]

no it costs me more time. and NO, i didn't "do it again". i wasn't talking to you directly i was talking about the GENERAL grief all have given me over sascha's actions. you are freakin me out....

DISCLAIMER: SEAN WROTE THE STATEMENT BELOW TO WHICH I WILL REPLY BELOW HIS STATEMENT.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MY REPLY TO SEAN'S STATEMENT ABOVE. THE NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT.
it's clear that the only one who misunderstood my post was you. you keep assuming that everything i say is directed to you. don't worry because i'm no longer going to respond to your posts. just stay out of my way and i'll stay out of yours. OK?

DISCLAIMER; IN THE STATEMENT BELOW, I AM SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE QUOTED TEXT ABOVE AND NO FURTHER SIGNIFICANCE UPON IT SHOULD BE INFERRED BY ANYONE OR ANYTHING BE THEY ANIMAL VEGETABLE OR MINERAL.
some people here don't understand that they don't have to post and or read this thread if they do not wish. sascha is clearly emboldened by the lack of condemnation of his actions and the support he's gotten. it's sickening....

sausage:

Is this really necessary? I asked you -- kindly, no less -- just to be more careful in how you quote people (i.e. addressing your response to one person [e.g. me], but then tacking in swatches of random text from other people into the same post, without making it clear it was not from the same person you addressed your post to), and this is how you react to constructive criticism? When you address me by name, and initially include my post material that you reply to, but later in your response you seem to switch gears and tack in random swatches of text from other people's posts, it is unclear to the reader that the new swatches were from another person.

I'm sure you'll appreciate that if someone were quoting YOU, you'd want to make sure that person got you right, correct? That's not asking much. I'm sure if you think about this with a more calm, clearer head, you'll understand what I've been trying to get at.

Feh, 'tis no water off my back if you're no longer going to respond to my posts. You seem to be repeatedly not getting the gist of them anyway, so this is actually a good thing. I'll stay out of your way as well. Promise.

Respectfully,
-Sean

 

[Ron F]

This Sucks

I just came across this post and this kind of really sucks. My goal is 100 - and the sooner the better. But I've been playing 5 to 6 days each week for 4-6 hours/day to hopefully someday reach that goal. Since I don't have a table at home this is costing me around $400/month in table time. This make me disgusted and sad.

If anyone here in the PA/NJ/NY area wants to get together on a weekend and roll some balls around let me know. I'm in northeast PA and I'm always looking for a good practice session.

Ron F

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Hazleton

Take a drive down to Hazleton to Ed Matushoneck's room. (Cue Time)

He plays good 14.1

Tell him Tony from Maryland sent you.

 

[Ron F]

Thanks

Thanks Tony for the heads up. I know Eddie, have bought a Schon or 2 off of him and have been to his rooms many times. He's a good guy and a great pool player.

Ron F

Take a drive down to Hazleton to Ed Matushoneck's room. (Cue Time)

He plays good 14.1

Tell him Tony from Maryland sent you.