IPT challenge match - Schmidt vs Ortmann 14.1

[Roy Steffensen]

I am pulling for Ortmann on this.

He shoots fast and great straight pool.

Once he played a teammatch he could choose to play either the 8-ball, 9-ball or 14.1 match, and he chose the 14-1 match because he didn't have much time ;-) He plays 14-1 real fast

 

[Marvel]

Woooohoooo!

Well I think it is going to be inevetible. I am going to be a huge IPT supporter. Wooooohooooooo!!!!! Go IPT!!!!

The more matches I can sweat the happier I will be!!!

YES I can forgive people!!!!

Woooooooohoooooooooo!!!

Rep to you, sir!

I wish there were more people like you in this world..

 

[john schmidt]

hi

ortmann is a great guy and a friend of mine.i have huge respect for his 14.1 or any pool game.im flattered they picked me to play and hope i do alright.

 

[watchez]

ortmann is a great guy and a friend of mine.i have huge respect for his 14.1 or any pool game.im flattered they picked me to play and hope i do alright.

Good luck John. I am sure you will do alright - as long as you get a chance at the table. Here is to hoping you win the lag.

 

[zed9]

'Here is to hoping you win the lag.'

that must rank as one of the most amusing lines I've ever read on azb.

That plus the one about Ortmann choosing to play 14.1 over 9 / 8 ball because he had to get away quickly !

I think 125 is really a little short, it'd be great if they could increase it to at least 150 - ideally 200.

 

[jay helfert]

I happen to like both John and Oliver, and have a lot of respect for both men. But I would advise against betting on this match. It is what it is, an exhibition, no more, no less. Until I hear different, I would prefer to sweat a real match with something on the line. You know like the TAR guys keep doing. I will support them every day over TruDough and Company.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Well before we go listing all of Ortmann's titles in 14.1 it's important to remember that we do not hold that many Straight Pool events at all compared to Europe.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman

Danny,
Because "we do not hold that many 14.1 events at all compared to Europe"
WHY should that prohibit us listing all of Oliver's great accomplishments?

I don't know if you've ever read the dozen or so posts where I raved about your abilities, stuck up for and defended you when you weren't posting and generally praised you for your great play. I balleyhooed much in trying to stir an all around match up between you and one of my all time favorite players, Shannon Daulton. I have said and posted equally flattering things about John Schmidt, who I regard as the best 14.1 player in America today. So my point is WHY can't I list what Ortmann has accomplished in 14.1 just because he has to travel less far to play in them???

MinWai Chin came to the U.S. in 2000 to play in one of our rare BCA U.S. Open 14.1 Championships. Europe regularly sends a host of players to our tournaments. Just because you don't play in as many tournaments as someone else does does not diminish their accomplishments, does it?

Listing someones titles when comparing who is going to play who is a time honored way of determining who you think may have the best of any given match up.

Just to be clear that Ortmann is not a one trick (14.1) pony, he is also the 1995 World 9 Ball Champion, 6 time European 9 Ball Champion, 3 time German 9 Ball Champion PLUS he is also a 3 time European 8 Ball Champion.
These in addition to the host of other European tour titles he has won.

Germany, Japan, the Phillipines, the Netherlands, Hungary, Korea, Vietnam, Italy, Spain, Russia and I could go on and on all routinely have players coming to America to play in OUR events. *****And not all of them have sponsors nor do they always cash. But they always come to play.*****

I regard John as the best 14.1 player in America. I regard Ortmann as the best 14.1 player in the World. In a short race to 125, anybody can win and we all know that there are upsets galore in every sport at any given time. But in this case, all things considered, Ortmann has to be the favorite.

Whether you consider his titles or not.

And please, don't consider this as "bashing you". Nobody on this forum has more respect for the pro players than I do. But in this instance, I strongly disagree with your reasoning. I respect you and your opinion, and I'm glad and feel fortunate that you and John both post here. You both and every other pro who contributes here add a little luster to our discussions and for that, we appreciate you guys!

PS- I met John Schmidt at Valley Forge several years ago and anybody will be hard pressed to find a nicer man or better role model for our great sport. I wish him all the best in every one of his matches and in life as well.

 

[JCIN]

I happen to like both John and Oliver, and have a lot of respect for both men. But I would advise against betting on this match. It is what it is, an exhibition, no more, no less. Until I hear different, I would prefer to sweat a real match with something on the line. You know like the TAR guys keep doing. I will support them every day over TruDough and Company.

Thanks Jay. We just happen to have something for you and all of our other action buddies out there.



I think the IPT will be a nice warm up for John to get in stroke for his rematch with Danny. Myself and everyone at TAR want to wish you good luck John. In the words of the original action monkey Scooter "Get that money kid !!!"

 

[Noncrookedpool]

Hey Terry, No Harm meant by my comments about Oliver's acomplishments. Sure, I'm for listing his titles afterall, he's won alot of titles and deserves the recognition. I also do not judge you in anyway cause, like Ollie, I don't know him that well but he seems to be a humble champion as is John also. I guess the point I was trying to make before I went off on my tangent about the tavern tables was I don't think the best player is always the one with the most titles in today's form of pocket billiards.

The reason why is simply politics. I think you took my comment the wrong way, I was just trying to make an analogy of European pool vs the US bar pool culture, while in the same breath convey my extreme disgust of the bar table. Nothing I posted was intended to be deragatory towards you or your opinion in any way. In a nutshell, Europe has 14.1 tournaments, US has tavern table 9-ball tournaments (sigh).

Anyway, no harm meant and I wish both players the best.

IMHO The Gambler's consensus in straight pool is, whoever wins the lag, will be the huge favorite in straight pool. Almost as if to say, the game is too easy and this is just a chance for both players to show off their skills in such an easy game.

Its true that one player gets on a run might take the set on out the door. I am optimistic that the pool purists still understand how great a game Straight Pool really is.

Whoever is in charge of inviting players for these types of 14.1 events please keep me in mind for future events. Heck, I might even take up golf so I can meet the right people just so I can play in any 14.1 challenge.

Sincerely,

Danny Harriman,

Bronze Medalist, and Highest Finishing American at the 2007 World 14.1 Championships

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Hey Terry, No Harm meant by my comments about Oliver's acomplishments. Sure, I'm for listing his titles afterall, he's won alot of titles and deserves the recognition. I also do not judge you in anyway cause, like Ollie, I don't know him that well but he seems to be a humble champion as is John also. I guess the point I was trying to make before I went off on my tangent about the tavern tables was I don't think the best player is always the one with the most titles in today's form of pocket billiards.

The reason why is simply politics. I think you took my comment the wrong way, I was just trying to make an analogy of European pool vs the US bar pool culture, while in the same breath convey my extreme disgust of the bar table. Nothing I posted was intended to be deragatory towards you or your opinion in any way. In a nutshell, Europe has 14.1 tournaments, US has tavern table 9-ball tournaments (sigh).

Anyway, no harm meant and I wish both players the best.

IMHO The Gambler's consensus in straight pool is, whoever wins the lag, will be the huge favorite in straight pool. Almost as if to say, the game is too easy and this is just a chance for both players to show off their skills in such an easy game.

Its true that one player gets on a run might take the set on out the door. I am optimistic that the pool purists still understand how great a game Straight Pool really is.

Whoever is in charge of inviting players for these types of 14.1 events please keep me in mind for future events. Heck, I might even take up golf so I can meet the right people just so I can play in any 14.1 challenge.

Sincerely,

Danny Harriman,

Bronze Medalist, and Highest Finishing American at the 2007 World 14.1 Championships

Danny,
No harm taken! I really appreciate the exchange of opinions here and I'm glad that you voiced yours. I totally understand your post and I hope you see the thought process in mine as well.

I'm looking forward to seeing you and John match up again. You both do American pool proud by not only your exceptional skill level but also by the gentlemanly way you both conduct yourselves.

Again, thanks for your contributions here. I wish you all the best in whatever you do. Even golf! But, I hope you stick with pool.

 

[worriedbeef]

I guess the point I was trying to make before I went off on my tangent about the tavern tables was I don't think the best player is always the one with the most titles in today's form of pocket billiards.

that one sentence sums up modern day pool very nicely indeed!

 

[Southpaw]

ortmann is a great guy and a friend of mine.i have huge respect for his 14.1 or any pool game.im flattered they picked me to play and hope i do alright.

As usual, you are a stand up guy, John. You are one of the most respectful players in the game. Good luck to you.

Your friend,

Southpaw

 

[Fast Lenny]

Does the winner get any money?

 

[worriedbeef]

Does the winner get any money?

probably a few quid from KT

 

[Fast Lenny]

probably a few quid from KT

I think if they are getting 5K both of them will play hard for that,I mean you gotta beat the guy once,thats better then most tourneys pay for one match,pretty good incentive for them to bring their games.

 

[beav99_4life]

Once again i'm faced with a moral dilemna. I love this match up and am thrilled that straight pool is getting some face time. These are two great champions, playing the purest form of billiards. But at the same time I cannot bring myself to watch it. Those posting on this thread will most likely criticize me for this, but my personal moral beliefs cannot let me do anything to help a thief and con-man like Kevin Trudeau. Even if the IPT does make a comeback and give the pool world new life, his actions in other aspects of business and the way he has taken from people concrete my decision. I wish I was someone who could separate the two, but i'm not. Thanks for reading and let the bashing begin.

 

[worriedbeef]

I think if they are getting 5K both of them will play hard for that,I mean you gotta beat the guy once,thats better then most tourneys pay for one match,pretty good incentive for them to bring their games.

I agree. i mean i know jay mentioned earlier and he's not the first and only one, that with it being an exhibition match and not putting any money up you never know quite how it's gonna turn out.

but still, whatever KT puts up is a substantial sum of money which will bring out their full desire i feel. plus it's quite a high profile match too. they'll both want to win.

should be a good one!

 

[Fast Lenny]

Once again i'm faced with a moral dilemna. I love this match up and am thrilled that straight pool is getting some face time. These are two great champions, playing the purest form of billiards. But at the same time I cannot bring myself to watch it. Those posting on this thread will most likely criticize me for this, but my personal moral beliefs cannot let me do anything to help a thief and con-man like Kevin Trudeau. Even if the IPT does make a comeback and give the pool world new life, his actions in other aspects of business and the way he has taken from people concrete my decision. I wish I was someone who could separate the two, but i'm not. Thanks for reading and let the bashing begin.

I think alot of pool supporters over the years,the better ones anyway have made money on the shady side,its just how it seems the sport is,big corporate sponsors steer clear of pool.

 

[beav99_4life]

I think alot of pool supporters over the years,the better ones anyway have made money on the shady side,its just how it seems the sport is,big corporate sponsors steer clear of pool.

You are absolutely right. The major difference here is there is a CLEAR profile of the IPT's benefactor and his continued record for breaking the law and wrongly profiting from others. In business the target market determines the organizations course and decisions, so as long as people watch, support and participate in the IPT, it will continue. If the members of that market (being pool enthusiasts in this case) refuse to support a company run by such a corrupt person, then it would make a statement to others who might try the same thing. Unfortunately most people i've seen on here are more than willing to forgive and forget so that they can watch more pool, no matter the statement it makes. If thats the case, those same people should have no problem giving companies such as Enron, Halliburton and all of the mortgage companies who have done such damage to both the economy and peoples lives another chance. I, for one, would not.

 

[worriedbeef]

You are absolutely right. The major difference here is there is a CLEAR profile of the IPT's benefactor and his continued record for breaking the law and wrongly profiting from others. In business the target market determines the organizations course and decisions, so as long as people watch, support and participate in the IPT, it will continue. If the members of that market (being pool enthusiasts in this case) refuse to support a company run by such a corrupt person, then it would make a statement to others who might try the same thing. Unfortunately most people i've seen on here are more than willing to forgive and forget so that they can watch more pool, no matter the statement it makes. If thats the case, those same people should have no problem giving companies such as Enron, Halliburton and all of the mortgage companies who have done such damage to both the economy and peoples lives another chance. I, for one, would not.

you could argue that more good would be done to more people by having a successful IPT so it would it really be fair to not have that just for the sake of punishing KT?