ipt sigel vs schmidt proved what

[Terry Ardeno]

I have to disagree here. Mosconi's run was on an exhibition table for funsies. No competition. That in no way makes it less of an accomplishment. I do agree that this probably could not happen in match play since players wouldn't want to sell out, but it is definitely a BFD.

Credit to John on his high run and ignore the naysayers. I would love to see someone beat Mosconi's number in my lifetime.

Iba,
You continually crank out good posts. What makes them impressive is you're relatively young yet have the insights and knowledge that us older people should have.

With the resurgence lately in 14.1, I feel comfortable betting that 526 will be beat in your lifetime. But something in me wants it to be on a 41/2 by 9 big track, not the 8.

526 is GREAT no matter what, but if there ever should be an asterisk in pool history, I think it fits well right there. The table was a 4x8. Sort of like getting credit for beating the record 100 yard dash time by running only 95 yards.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Iba,
You continually crank out good posts. What makes them impressive is you're relatively young yet have the insights and knowledge that us older people should have.

With the resurgence lately in 14.1, I feel comfortable betting that 526 will be beat in your lifetime. But something in me wants it to be on a 41/2 by 9 big track, not the 8.

526 is GREAT no matter what, but if there ever should be an asterisk in pool history, I think it fits well right there. The table was a 4x8. Sort of getting credit for beating the record 100 yard dash time by running only 95 yards.

I'm not sure how you could diss a 400+ run on any table - 7' and up. Think the smaller table makes it cake? Try it one time... it's harder in my opinion - more clusters (assuming pockets are all cut identically).

I agree that Mosconi's 526 will be broken in our lifetime. A number of great players come to mind.... Schmidt, Hohmann, Engert (closest yet), and Ralphie.

Not a lot of people know about Raphie. I see this young gun in the pool halls all the time, practicing diligently. More recently, I saw Ralphie at the World Open in New Brunswick - carefully studying the masters. I asked him what his high run was, and he said 13. HOWEVER, he just started playing about 4 months ago.

This guy went into great depths about how he's finally completed what he called the Billiard String Theory, proving all shots in pool are really the same thing. Although his high run is 13, he says he's improving by a ball a day. At this historic rate, in a year and a half he's going to SHATTER Willie's record.... MARK MY WORDS. TAKE THAT ONE TO THE BANK. BELIEVE IT.

Ralphie is the nuts, ya'll. Better ask somebody....

 

[Terry Ardeno]

I'm not sure how you could diss a 400+ run on any table - 7' and up. Think the smaller table makes it cake? Try it one time... it's harder in my opinion - more clusters (assuming pockets are all cut identically).

I didn't "diss" a 400+ run, I said it's "GREAT". The purist in me would like it to be on an "official" sized table, comparable with what the vast majority of the major pool championships are played on, that's all. It just seems to add more validity to the accomplishment.

You're right about the clusters on the 4x8's. And the 5x10's had the problem of potentially 1 foot longer (harder?) shots. Since 41/2 x 9 is our sports "official" size table, I'm sticking with wanting to see 527 or above being done on that size table.

If someone (Ralphie, perhaps ) bangs out a 527 or above on a bar box, that's still a tremendous (albeit seemingly impossible) feat that is sure to be talked about for the ages. but will it be considered a "world record"?

 

[jay helfert]

I'm not sure how you could diss a 400+ run on any table - 7' and up. Think the smaller table makes it cake? Try it one time... it's harder in my opinion - more clusters (assuming pockets are all cut identically).

I agree that Mosconi's 526 will be broken in our lifetime. A number of great players come to mind.... Schmidt, Hohmann, Engert (closest yet), and Ralphie.

Not a lot of people know about Raphie. I see this young gun in the pool halls all the time, practicing diligently. More recently, I saw Ralphie at the World Open in New Brunswick - carefully studying the masters. I asked him what his high run was, and he said 13. HOWEVER, he just started playing about 4 months ago.

This guy went into great depths about how he's finally completed what he called the Billiard String Theory, proving all shots in pool are really the same thing. Although his high run is 13, he says he's improving by a ball a day. At this historic rate, in a year and a half he's going to SHATTER Willie's record.... MARK MY WORDS. TAKE THAT ONE TO THE BANK. BELIEVE IT.

Ralphie is the nuts, ya'll. Better ask somebody....

I think Ralphie better stick to computer run outs.
Somehow i just can't see this guy running 100 balls, "string theory" or not.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

I think Ralphie better stick to computer run outs.
Somehow i just can't see this guy running 100 balls, "string theory" or not.

Jay,
I can't see him reaching for the money on top the lights and not waking up in the E.R.!
Lay some quick odds on Ralphie getting out of "The Rack" in Detroit with the $.....:nono:

 

[Jimmy M.]

I think Ralphie better stick to computer run outs.
Somehow i just can't see this guy running 100 balls, "string theory" or not.

He looks like someone I've probably had to work with.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

He looks like someone I've probably had to work with.

Jimmy,
The most impressive thing about Ralphie is that while he was posing for that picture, he was also unraveling his personal "Rubik's Cube" in record setting time. Without even having to look!

I "Googled" Ralphie and also scanned his articles in Wikipedia. Spider was right. He is the REAL DEAL! Word on the street has the Spider finding him in some bowling alley working as a pin setter who also supplemented his wages by brushing a 1959 Valley 3 1/2 x 7 table with indoor-outdoor carpet as cloth. Seems like Ralphie was an idiot savant when it comes to geometry and was mumbling about seeing lines where the balls should go in his head. Spider, being the savvy player that he is and knowing talent when he sees it, put 2 + 2 together and started teaching Ralphie about the finer points of ye old pocket billiards. The next step is buying him a "Hustling USA" hoodie and rumor has it, a T.A.R. match up with the Chinese Taipei legend, Wun Hung Lo, who is also reputed to be slightly "touched' because of his unique and unusual habit of walking to his next shot backwards. Every shot, every time. This supposedly has unnerved several champions who's equilibrium has become unsynchronized from watching him in reverse. This phenomenon adversely affects the opponent's medulla-oblongata and was recently debated in the May 2008 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Jimmy,
The most impressive thing about Ralphie is that while he was posing for that picture, he was also unraveling his personal "Rubik's Cube" in record setting time. Without even having to look!

I "Googled" Ralphie and also scanned his articles in Wikipedia. Spider was right. He is the REAL DEAL! Word on the street has the Spider finding him in some bowling alley working as a pin setter who also supplemented his wages by brushing a 1959 Valley 3 1/2 x 7 table with indoor-outdoor carpet as cloth. Seems like Ralphie was an idiot savant when it comes to geometry and was mumbling about seeing lines where the balls should go in his head. Spider, being the savvy player that he is and knowing talent when he sees it, put 2 + 2 together and started teaching Ralphie about the finer points of ye old pocket billiards. The next step is buying him a "Hustling USA" hoodie and rumor has it, a T.A.R. match up with the Chinese Taipei legend, Wun Hung Lo, who is also reputed to be slightly "touched' because of his unique and unusual habit of walking to his next shot backwards. Every shot, every time. This supposedly has unnerved several champions who's equilibrium has become unsynchronized from watching him in reverse. This phenomenon adversely affects the opponent's medulla-oblongata and was recently debated in the May 2008 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

I know you weren't saying anything bad about the 8' runs. I had to quote you so people would have to scroll down a little before seeing Ralphie.

Ralphie at The Rack? Jimmy Mataya used to play Ralphie with the last two and Ralphie gave him a gapper to help with his taxi ride home.

 

[Dead Money]

Looks like Ralphie ain't afraid of no 14.1 526+ ball ghost!

 

[john schmidt]

hi

danny i understand that was a heated battle but i dont remember the things the way you are saying.
the whole match is on film so im sure me running into your cue hard enough to break the ferrul is on film ,problem is i didnt do it and dvd will show that.
anyway i understand you hate me now which is odd because when you beat me the first time you seemed like you loved me to death.now i win and you talk like im the antichrist .
anyway lets just forget about all this and play again for the same amount or more .im willing to play you again in garys place in cali for the same amount . i think your a great player but i have a great record against you and you know it which is why you wont play again.im going to tell you this to help you danny everytime you lose in pool you cannot act like this danny,i think youve done enough damage to your rep and career with the things your saying ,their ridiculous and blown way out of whack.
if i was you i would just be quiet and bring more money to victorville.have a nice day springfield bbgun


Danny Harriman[/QUOTE]

 

[bignasty]

john

get ahold of me... thank you

 

[Neil]

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[Celtic]

I STAND CORRECTED! I'm not too smug to admit I overlooked that one. In fact I think I staked Danny in that tourney. It WAS a strong field!

I came off a little strong in that opening retort, sorry for that, you are one of m favorite posters to read when chatting about the old times. Maybe that one was a little to recent for ya.

I never said Mike wasn't a great player. He was! Whether he can still compete at the highest level remains to be seen. One match (even with John Schmidt) does not make him a tournament champion again. I'd like to see Mike play in the upcoming 14.1 event in August and then the U.S. Open in October.

Mike was not impressive in the IPT events.

In the king of the hill event he sucked against Efren, but I cannot fathom a worse situation to be in then to be sitting on your duff waiting for a person to win a tournament full of champions and come off that full of fire to play you, cold as ice. I would have been shocked to see Sigel win that one, playing a guy after he comes off that many wins and is in dead stroke and you have done nothing but watch and practice some on a table on the side.

In the North American Open he won 6 matches, lost 3. Won 61 games out of 103 played, had 17 B&R's. Wining 2/3rds of your matches against the IPT field in that tourney is not shabby.

In the World Open he had 5 match wins, 4 match losses. won 55 out of 111 games with 20 B&R's.

Sure that is not exactly dominant, but playing other pro's in the IPT field (and you have to admit that field was tough) I don't see that being a weak showing. To make a comparison Efren had 60 B&R's in 355 games played in the North American Open. That means as far as pure offense B&R rates Efren and Sigel were actually pretty close. Manalo in the World Open played 109 games in the same number of matches with the same win/loss ratio for matches and had 13 B&R's. Sigel was not exactly chopping up, it was just a really competitive tourney where alot of world class pro's were knocking each other out left and right. Sigel takes a little more heat because alot of the spotlight was focused right on him.

Given how quick he got back into pool I don't think his showing sucked. Much as all of us, he cannot win em all. But if he starts to play again I will bet he win a few.

 

[easy-e]

have a nice day springfield bbgun

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someone needs to add this to the list of John's greatest quotes

 

[markgw]

I liked the bbgun line but "bring more money to victorville was close!

 

[jay helfert]

Jimmy,
The most impressive thing about Ralphie is that while he was posing for that picture, he was also unraveling his personal "Rubik's Cube" in record setting time. Without even having to look!

I "Googled" Ralphie and also scanned his articles in Wikipedia. Spider was right. He is the REAL DEAL! Word on the street has the Spider finding him in some bowling alley working as a pin setter who also supplemented his wages by brushing a 1959 Valley 3 1/2 x 7 table with indoor-outdoor carpet as cloth. Seems like Ralphie was an idiot savant when it comes to geometry and was mumbling about seeing lines where the balls should go in his head. Spider, being the savvy player that he is and knowing talent when he sees it, put 2 + 2 together and started teaching Ralphie about the finer points of ye old pocket billiards. The next step is buying him a "Hustling USA" hoodie and rumor has it, a T.A.R. match up with the Chinese Taipei legend, Wun Hung Lo, who is also reputed to be slightly "touched' because of his unique and unusual habit of walking to his next shot backwards. Every shot, every time. This supposedly has unnerved several champions who's equilibrium has become unsynchronized from watching him in reverse. This phenomenon adversely affects the opponent's medulla-oblongata and was recently debated in the May 2008 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Terry, I'm beginning to worry about you. I think you need a time out from AZ. Hanging out with this crowd can cause one to lose a few brain cells. When your motor skills begin to wane, it's too late.

 

[jay helfert]

I came off a little strong in that opening retort, sorry for that, you are one of m favorite posters to read when chatting about the old times. Maybe that one was a little to recent for ya.



In the king of the hill event he sucked against Efren, but I cannot fathom a worse situation to be in then to be sitting on your duff waiting for a person to win a tournament full of champions and come off that full of fire to play you, cold as ice. I would have been shocked to see Sigel win that one, playing a guy after he comes off that many wins and is in dead stroke and you have done nothing but watch and practice some on a table on the side.

In the North American Open he won 6 matches, lost 3. Won 61 games out of 103 played, had 17 B&R's. Wining 2/3rds of your matches against the IPT field in that tourney is not shabby.

In the World Open he had 5 match wins, 4 match losses. won 55 out of 111 games with 20 B&R's.

Sure that is not exactly dominant, but playing other pro's in the IPT field (and you have to admit that field was tough) I don't see that being a weak showing. To make a comparison Efren had 60 B&R's in 355 games played in the North American Open. That means as far as pure offense B&R rates Efren and Sigel were actually pretty close. Manalo in the World Open played 109 games in the same number of matches with the same win/loss ratio for matches and had 13 B&R's. Sigel was not exactly chopping up, it was just a really competitive tourney where alot of world class pro's were knocking each other out left and right. Sigel takes a little more heat because alot of the spotlight was focused right on him.

Given how quick he got back into pool I don't think his showing sucked. Much as all of us, he cannot win em all. But if he starts to play again I will bet he win a few.

Like I said, not that impressive. His record in the North American Open is actually less than 60% wins, not two thirds. Big difference! And in The World Open he won just under half his matches. 55 and 56, below average.

If he thinks he is still the greatest (his comments, not mine), let him play Straight Pool in New Jersey in August. And I don't think this field is as strong (or as deep) as the fields he used to face 20 years ago. If he can finish in the top three in Jersey I would be impressed. I would pick him to finish about seventh or eighth at best.

 

[markgw]

rivals

I liked the bbgun line but "bring more money to victorville was close!

I don't think that John Schmidt is the type of player that body slams his opponents and breaks there cues and verbally destroys them. But imagine how many rivalries there wouldn't be if personality was an issue. There would have been no Mc Enroe vs Connors. Efren Reyes would never play Strickland. All sports including pool would be a complete bore if there were absolutely no colorful characters in sports. But in Johns case, I think he is an exciting player to watch but no way the raving lunatic Danny says he is. I saw the match he is talking about and saw nothing he said happen. But I can see the poster now they would face each other with boxing gloves on with the caption Schmidt vs Harriman 3. This back and forth can really boost up a possible Schmidt Harriman 3 just like in boxing when the 2 fighters go on the road to promote a fight and say how much they hate each other.

 

[Celtic]

Like I said, not that impressive. His record in the North American Open is actually less than 60% wins, not two thirds. Big difference!

I said two thirds of his MATCHES. I mean, you even quoted it, it is right there in black and white. Matches... not games.... thats what I said....

 

[Dan Harriman]

Hey John funny you did'nt mention about forgetting the rules at 9-9 and calling me names after we argued for 5 minutes, you missed your calling I think you would have made a better politician than you have a pool player - 'talkn bout' we did'nt have anything in writing (loser talk.) I did not like all of your act in our first match when you swiped the chalk in my direction and I asked Bobby Hunter about that - he said your temper has gotten better over the years (I hope in continues to do so.) Ohh and by the way I don't care about how much $ you have in the bank either, u had problems with remembering the rules we had gone over and over and it resulted in childish namecalling from your end as u felt some pressure. Please remember you were the one that originally started with the name calling over the phone, just for future reference it's not smart to call people you barely no derogatory names over the phone and make it seem like it's a joke. I told some of the members here what you said to me in our phone conversation prior to our last rematch and they agreed with me. I respect your game but have little admiration for your other head games u knew that I did not like to be called that name from our phone conversation and so you started an argument on purpose 9-9 in the one hole and said it AGAIN? Just banging into my cue intentionally with "no excuse me" was not too professional either. I am a christian who can forgive and forget, the knowledgable readers of this forum know my word is my bond and I would advise you to be on your best behaviour the next time you and I play there Mrs. 4oo. By the way if u get confused and act up again don't say you were not warned - and if you need it in writing here it is tough guy. When u get ur free TAR disc watch the 14.1 Mrs. 400, u got filled with bee bees, it must have stung a little courtesy of the Springfield Rifle. No seriously John the main two problems I had with you were when you rushed into my cue and did not say excuse me and the argument u started at 9-9 those were antics we could have done without. Good Luck with your Pool Career John and God Bless