Is the 7 and out good weight playing a monster player?

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Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

I'd rather have the Orange crush 5-9 wild and all the breaks.
 
Dr 9, really!

I'd rather have the Orange crush 5-9 wild and all the breaks.

You have me laughing so hard I can't stop!!! OK you got the Orange Crush, I;ll call Buddy Hall and let him know you want it! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
You have me laughing so hard I can't stop!!! OK you got the Orange Crush, I;ll call Buddy Hall and let him know you want it! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

Against Buddy I might need the World ( If I make a ball or he makes a ball I win) :)
 
Monster players can string together multiple wins in a row without you ever getting to the table. Needing the 7 and out won't help. Now change it to loser breaks and we can talk. I can not run consistently but that gives me a shot at the table guaranteed.
 
Shane gave me the 5-out once. It's tough to win when you never get to shoot.
 
If a monster player gives that up im pretty sure that they can win by giving that up. They probally wont give it if they know they cant win ....
 
i've had a strong player here offer me the 4 out and i haven't taken it. i have seen him string racks together and i know he safes, kicks and jumps better than i do. if we are racing to say 7 and he strings even 3 racks together i can be in a world of hurt before i get a chance. i may try him someday but it would be for the challenge, not because i expect to win.
so, that long winded paraqgraph was a way to say the 7 out is nothing against a player who is considered a "monster" and you are considered a guy who holds a cue.
 
Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

Heii no.lol
Back when i first started playing the best player in town gave me the 3 ball.
Im like licking my chops.Guess what out of 5 sets i probably got to shoot the 3, three times.How humiliating,i really thought i had the best of it.I could tell you more about the spots that got me but it's to embarrassing.
Get the break to,that way they can only run one in row.:)
 
the stronger they are compared to you
the more you want to altenate breaks and ask for games not balls
jmho
icbw
what do you think???
 
Jason, who in the ATL can give you the 4 and out?

i've had a strong player here offer me the 4 out and i haven't taken it. i have seen him string racks together and i know he safes, kicks and jumps better than i do. if we are racing to say 7 and he strings even 3 racks together i can be in a world of hurt before i get a chance. i may try him someday but it would be for the challenge, not because i expect to win.
so, that long winded paraqgraph was a way to say the 7 out is nothing against a player who is considered a "monster" and you are considered a guy who holds a cue.

I would not offer you that spot! How are you doing these days, Jason? Are you still my good friend? I think I got lucky the last time I played you at Cues II!!! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
 
I suppose it depends on your own degree of monsterishness. If you're both monsters maybe you can just play even and have a moooooonster mash.
 
Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

If you aren't also a monster player then no. Winner breaks the monster player is going to control the game. If you can break and run seven in a nine ball rack consistently then you can run to nine so the spot is not relevant.

Spots like that only come into play when the people playing are actually close in speed and really only a ball or two different. When the speeds are way apart - monster player vs. amateur then the spot is meaningless.

As a road player I knew said to me while sitting at my kitchen table counting out my share of the score he just made after spotting a pretty good player the 7-out in barbox nineball, "it's like robbery without a gun."

You don't really know how good a monster player is until you come up against them. Jesse Bowman gave me the last four on a barbox and I thought I would be stone stealing. By the end of the session my arm felt like jelly and I couldn't drop a ball in the pocket if he allowed me to pick it up. The guy flat ran over me running out from everywhere with ease, kicking everything in, perfect safes with NO OUT, just ridiculous precision and ease that frankly scared the shit out of me.

THEN after I dropped two sets my friend who plays at least two balls better than me jumped in getting the same spot and while he did a little better Jesse still barbecued him. I still get the shakes thinking about it to this day.............. :-)

The line I love best though is Billy Incardona's from his one pocket tape.

Billy is ticking off the various things he learned from great players over the years and he gets to Efren and he says, 'From Efren, (long pause), from Efren I learned not to play him.'
 
Remember at all times, you will not be offered enough weight to win, you may be able to ask for it and get it but you will not get that offer upfront! If they are offering weight, they know your level of play. You need enough weight to string as many racks as they can. If you want to see a strong player wince at a spot, insist on getting the breaks!
 
I'd rather have the Orange crush 5-9 wild and all the breaks.

You know what's scary? When you ask for something like that and the guy you are asking agrees in such a way that makes you scared that you didn't ask for enough.

Which brings up another question.

What is the purpose of weight? Is is really to make a "fair" game where both players have an equal shot at winning or is to attempt to make an unfair game where one or both players think that they are stealing?

I think it's both. Sometimes it's an attempt to make a fair game but mostly it's players trying to get over on each other and steal.
 
here is another way to see it so it sinks in

what good is the 7 if you never see it to shoot at it??
 
I offered a good player the 3 and out...

He said "but we aren't playing for anything, we never do. So why would you offer me a spot?" I replied..."I just want you to rack for me, and besides, it's a crime how often you dog the four."
 
I would not offer you that spot! How are you doing these days, Jason? Are you still my good friend? I think I got lucky the last time I played you at Cues II!!! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.

i'm good man. and i'm friends with everyone until someone gives me a reason to not be :) i don't think the guy would mind me saying his name 'cause i'm not knocking any action for him. everyone around here knows he's miles above me.
a buch of us were hanging around in cues on a sunday. some of us were there for league (like me). jeff crawford was talking to a bunch of guys and they were all laughing so i went to see what was up. everyone was laughing because jeff had offered them the 4 out or the hand span spot. no one had the gut to play him. i'm known to be too stupid for my own good so they all tried to get me to bite. even i said no way.
Jeff had already beaten me once playing 8 ball. he was going to 5 me to 3. i won the lag, broke, ran to the 8, made long hard shot on it, the cue ball never stopped and followed it in. i'm down one. next time at the table i was down 4-0. he had ran a 3 pack on me. jeff broke dry. i ran down to the 8 missed a hard bank and that was it. i lost 5-0, and i only missed twice.that's why i say even a huge spot may not help if a guy is too far above your skill.
oh and i eventually sacked up and took jeff up on the hand span game. lost that one 7-3 or 7-4 playing 9 ball. i told ya, too stupid for my own good.:thumbup:
 
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