Issues Blowing Up At The Tornado Open

When a promoter is on AZB 5 times a day 4 months before the event and then stops for a month before the event is full...I said something was wrong, but pay no mind to me...I'm Mr. Negative. Johnnyt
 
Josh Roberts also chimed and said it was the worst tournament he's ever been to.

Also Mike Davis, who confirmed everything the players were saying, stated that they're being treated rudely. He also said SVB was trying to get the players together and walk out based on the added money not being what was advertised.

Two top players forfeited.

I'll have the details of everything as soon as I get it all put together.

Unfortunately not many players have Shane's money so I'd imagine many will suck it up and try to win anything they can before leaving

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I noticed there were hardly any spectators in the stands.
I for one would like to know what is going on, so please provide links.
 
Specifics

You start a thread tarnishing Vivian's reputation with no specific facts or situations. Just a lot of "Blah Blah Woof Woof" to act like you know something.

If you have specific information post it. If not why did you even start this thread.

Wedge

$100,000 Added?

Word is closer to $70,000 across all of the events combined. Quick someone break out a calculator and see if it is $30,000 SHORT?:D
 
Nothing less should of been expected when someone wants to promote the event, run the event, play in the event, that is a recipe for disaster. It's called GREED.

But with that said, on the website it did say "x" amount added with "x" amount of entrants in each event, it was plain as day when you were paying your entry. Now on the other hand on the fliers which most see, it did not have that information. Of course most top pros would never see this as they don't pay their entries. So it was messed up and kind of misleading in one spot and not the other from the outset. It's called inexperience, and she is that at running events

Worth a re-read
 
Was a final updated players list ever put on FB or AZB? If the purse is really 33% light and it was anything other than pool, there would be an independent audit done. Johnnyt
 
Well, first off, there are quite a few threads in this forum about tournament advertisement wording or terminology. I do not have time look them up this morning, but there is a difference between money "guaranteed" (key word) or "money added" (based on X number of players).

For those interested, here's what Tony Chohan said on Facebook (edited with punctuation for clarity):

"I just got done speaking to Vivian, and whether it is a misprint or whatever, the tournament is based on 128 players. But an accident, there was somewhere else that says something different, so I'm going to not apologize. But I am going to say that she is trying to do her darndest to help with sport in the right direction. I will leave it at that. She's not a bad person; i's just mistakes happen. And it was the first go, and I hope that next year it will be even better."
 
Looks like a nice venue.
 

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Well, first off, there are quite a few threads in this forum about tournament advertisement wording or terminology. I do not have time look them up this morning, but there is a difference between money "guaranteed" (key word) or "money added" (based on X number of players).

For those interested, here's what Tony Chohan said on Facebook (edited with punctuation for clarity):

"I just got done speaking to Vivian, and whether it is a misprint or whatever, the tournament is based on 128 players. But an accident, there was somewhere else that says something different, so I'm going to not apologize. But I am going to say that she is trying to do her darndest to help with sport in the right direction. I will leave it at that. She's not a bad person; i's just mistakes happen. And it was the first go, and I hope that next year it will be even better."

The Tornado Open web site says guaranteed added based on 128 entries (men 10 ball). Other posters say other things. I can't believe Vivian tried to run a 100K added tournament by herself. I thought Linda Gazar. was TD? Johnnyt
 
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Looks like a nice venue.

It is so bright in there-the arena and the stands. I could have done micro-surgery on Mike Davis. The atmosphere for me was just negative. Hard to explain but seemed so sterile and stark-I didn't last 10 minutes.
 
Looks like a nice venue.

That does look really nice...but as withoutstroke said: tough to play like that.

The ambient noise must be brutal, no individual lighting or variance of lighting between tables and the rest of the venue.

It's a tuff gig, for all involved.

Except us!!
 
Wow

Josh Roberts also chimed and said it was the worst tournament he's ever been to.

Also Mike Davis, who confirmed everything the players were saying, stated that they're being treated rudely. He also said SVB was trying to get the players together and walk out based on the added money not being what was advertised.

Two top players forfeited.

I'll have the details of everything as soon as I get it all put together.

That must be quite a list of details you have if you haven't put it together yet.

Wedge
 
I wasn't going to post anything but it got to the point where I felt I was done wrong.

First I signed up for the 10 ball 3 weeks ago...because of work I couldn't make it...I tried to get my money back but like it says on the website...no refunds...which I understood and didn't make a fuss because rules are rules.

Then I tried to get someone to play in my place, just change the name and she allowed it but then change her mind a couple of hours later...which was disheartening and I was very disappointed but I again understood it was her call and didn't make a fuss or start threads...nothing ( still thought this was a bit of a dick move since this has the best players in the world and who am I going to bring in to play...maybe Willie Mosconi back from the dead, Idk) and the touney was not full, but whatever.

What got me and why I'm posting now, it is because i sent an email to her before she did the draw that I was still trying to make it and that I didn't see my name on the list. The brackets were up and i wasn't there...sent another email and she responded with "i took you off because you told me you weren't coming" she said she didn't see my email...uhmmm we sent 6 emails back and forth and that's the one you didn't see.

So now I'm pissed I was going to be able to make it last minute but now I wasn't in the tournament...and my $550 gone...oh well you live and you learn...this is why Pool is the way it is...

People are going to say there is 2 sides to every story and I understand that...if someone from her camp comes here to try and say I'm a liar I got all the emails, dates and witnesses to prove otherwise.

Again I wasn't going to say anything I even told her that on an email but that was before she took my name off and acted like I didn't even exist, she change the outcome of the tournament by taking my name off, even if I didn't make it someone would have gotten lucky and gotten a free round. I will not say anymore on the subject...this was ridiculous.



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Vivian tries to give back to the game and put on a big event. Players sit back, nit pick and make her look like she's somehow corrupt. It's a thankless position for her.

I put on a no greens fee, no tournament director fee , 100% payout tournament with player auction. Half the players *****ed about the rules; rack your own, 9 ball spots, single elimination race to 9, the handicaps and on and on.

What happens when nobody is left to put on events? We all just play league and enrich the APA? Big table pool is almost dead and players actions only contribute to it's demise.
 
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Vivian tries to give back to the game and put on a big event. Players sit back, nit pick and make her look like she's somehow corrupt. It's a thankless position for her.

I put on a no greens fee, no tournament director fee , 100% payout tournament with player auction. Half the players *****ed about the rules; rack your own, 9 ball spots, single elimination race to 9, the handicaps and on and on.

What happens when nobody is left to put on events? We all just play league and enrich the APA? Big table pool is almost dead and players actions only contribute to it's demise.

Then maybe the pros will get it, that they don't need a middle man/woman. Get organized and run your own tournaments or get a real job. Johnnyt
 
I went on faebook and these guys profiles and could not find anything related to these accusations on the tornado open.
 
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