Jay Helfert owes an apology!

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nfty9er

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I have waited 2 days since the DCC hoping Jay would come clean and admit his unfair decision regarding his 1p challenge. Again the integrity and credibility of the game has been compromised and no less by one of the most popular guys on this forum and in the industry. I really enjoyed the
1p challenge, especially the friendly competition between several top players trying to crack this extremely difficult test of skill. Alex, John, Cliff, Mika and Gabe trying over and over to break 50 but to no avail. Finally John Schmidt got to 45 under extremely difficult conditions in the room where the straight pool challenge was also being held. Finally on the last day Mika got to 47 score to take the lead. I watched Alex and Gabe pulling their hair out trying to succeed to win. They spent a lot of money trying as did John. Then lo and behold it was posted that Gabe finally came through at shot a 60. Wow that was great I thought. Jay posted what a good accomplishment it was and how well Gabe played. (Gabe played well all week). But Jay selectively forgot to mention, that early in the morning of the last night of the competion he let Gabe try the challenge on the "TV TABLE". You got to be kidding me I told John. He confirmed it. Now I ask you did he let anyone else go out there and try it? No. That has got to be one of the most unfair decisions I have ever heard of. Put one player on a much easier table for a shot at the money when noone else had a chance. That table played so much easier than the ones in the challenge room. 60 was a piece of cake. Think of all the money spent by all the players to try this challenge on only 2 tables in a tough room then find out one player got a huge advantage by going to the TV table. What a joke and insult to all who tried that discipline on the very difficult tables. I watched for hours and let me tell you they were much tougher than the TV table.
So our sport has another black eye to overcome. What a sad state of affairs, please explain Jay.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I would like to hear Jays side before making a judgement on this as im sure there has to be an explanation. :cool:
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I have a feeling Jay will have a (hopefully) good explanation....
 
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My question is why would all the tables not be set up the same. I would have thought that all the 9 foot tables would be the same dimensionally as each other. I wasn't there so I wouldn't know.
 
Are you kidding me

How many tries did Gabe have? Did he win on the same type if not the same table that the others had to compete on?

I don't believe Jay took a $ for his challenge and I applaud him for thinking of a creative challenge. If he had something to gain from having Gabe win and somehow fixed this challenge (magnetized balls and pockets - lol) than I would be upset, but I feel that is impossible. Gabe is talented and so are the others who accepted the challenge.

Gabe took down the 1 pocket event .... Jay did you fix the one pocket tournament too?

Great job too all that were down there especially the TAR people
 
Iwould like to offer anyone the number 60 to shoot at on these easy tables in Dallas


I will offer anyone $500 cash who can prove that this contest was won by magnatized balls or any other dishonest trick that involved Gabe Owen,because it is NOT TRUE.

Unless you can prove it I urge you to hold your peace until you have FACTS ,There is always someone willing to destroy someone else"s reputation in a puplic forum with no evidence but his own opinion,and then say I didn't mean anything personal(after the damage is done to someone that has done nothing wrong )
 
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deanoc said:
Iwould like to offer anyone the number 60 to shoot at on these easy tables in Dallas


I will offer anyone $500 cash who can prove that this contest was won by magnatized balls or any other dishonest trick that involved Gabe Owen,because it is NOT TRUE.

Unless you can prove it I urge you to hold your peace until you have FACTS
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That was a joke.

The point at question is , was the winner allowed to compete on a table seperate from the tables the others were forced to play on.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I would like to hear Jays side before making a judgement on this as im sure there has to be an explanation. :cool:
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What is there to hear? He let one guy play on another table while everyone else had to play on the same table. What could be the difference? Well, If you have ever played on a table that has been refelted then you should know the difference from it and a table that has been broke in. It's easier to play on the one table.
 
If Gabe did it on a different table then I don't think it was a "dishonest trick" on Jay's part just an error in judgement because of course everyone should have competed on the same table since no two tables play the same.

Even if Both Jay and Gabe were positive that the tables played nearly identical it would still be an error in judgement because you should know that OTHERS aren't going to believe the tables play nearly identical.

That's my two cents and I could be totally wrong.
 
Kevin Lindstrom said:
My question is why would all the tables not be set up the same. I would have thought that all the 9 foot tables would be the same dimensionally as each other. I wasn't there so I wouldn't know.
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They are setup the same, as far as I know. The TV table however is constantly kept clean, while the heat from the lights keep everything fast and dry. I shot a few balls on that table. It' s easier.

That being said, I'm sure I talked to one of the participants, and he said that all of them shot on the TV table ( aside from shooting in the challenge room).

Fred
 
nfty9er...Come on...surely you don't mean that! :eek: 60 out of 75 possible is a "piece of cake"? :rolleyes: I'll bet the farm that Gabe couldn't have done it again, right then and there (although there's no way to know). Gabe's accomplishment was terrific, no matter WHAT table the challenge was played on. IMO, for it to be a piece of cake, the pockets would have to be 6-7 inches wide, instead of 4 1/2! Even then, there are few players who could claim that accomplishment.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

nfty9er said:
60 was a piece of cake.
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Gabe's 60 was a remarkable achievement, and I won't be taking anything away from it here. As far as I'm concerned, you could have let everyone in the entire One Pocket tournament take a swing at it (including Efren) and no one would beat that score. His 60 compares with a pro golfer shooting a 59! IMHO

Now for the full story. We were playing the One Pocket Challenge in the same room as the Straight Pool Challenge run by Bob Jewett. He offered to let us use his second table. On the first day, our event did not attract too many players. But on the second day it picked up and everyone (except Efren) started shooting at it. John Schmidt was leading with a 45, and I even bet Greg Sullivan $100 that it would hold up. We had a couple of other scores in the 40's, by Alex and Gabe.

Bob seemed to be enjoying the Challenge as much as Steve Lomako and I were enjoying putting it on. At least I thought so. Steve wasn't so sure, and asked me more than once if I thought Bob was upset because of all the attention our event was getting. I assured him this was not the case.

Now it was the third and final day, and the place went crazy. We had six or seven top players lined up taking turns trying to beat John's 45. Gabe, Alex, Corey, Mika, Cliff and Allen Hopkins just to name a few. It was bedlam in there and everyone was having a blast, ribbing each other and trying to shark the other guys. Greg Sullivan and Mark Griffin hung out with us for a long time, and they seemed to be enjoying it as much as we were. I guess it somewhat over shadowed the Straight Pool being played on the next table. And you all know that during high runs, the audience is expected to be quiet. Quiet it wasn't!

We quit taking new entries at 10:00 PM, and were determined to finish that night, when everyone had got all their tries. It was three tries for $50, plus one extra try for anyone who makes a perfect 15. There were about a dozen 15's made in three days total. AMAZING is all I have to say. About 12:30 AM (after Mika had made his 47), Bob Jewett informed me that I had to finish up in a few minutes because he was going to lock up the room. Duh? What?? He knew I had many people yet to shoot. I asked him if I could lock up the room and was turned down. I had to scramble to find another table.

I went first to the AZ room, and the guys in there were great and agreed to let us use one table. The only problem was all the spectators who were sweating it. So I ran into the tournament room and matches were still underway. Everywhere but on the TV table, which is one that I had been using most every night for the Ring Ten Ball game. It was open, and there was plenty of room for people to watch. I made a snap decision to finish the Challenge there. It was an identical table to the one we had been using, except it had newer cloth and hotter lighting. I never considered that I was making a mistake. I thought it would be a great place to finish the Challenge.

So I returned to the original room and informed all the players that we would be moving to the TV table. I explained that we had been asked to leave this room immediately. No one said a word in complaint! They just wanted the turns they had paid for. And about 1 AM, off we went to finish up. Corey, Alex, Cliff, Gabe and a few others fired away until 7 AM. There were a couple of scores over 40 (Alex had a 46), and then Gabe shot his spectacular 60. He just played perfect, broke good and ran the balls like a genius. I watched the whole thing. He strung together five good innings, which is EXTREMELY hard to do.

Mika even came down and we gave him three tries to try to top Gabe. He couldn't get to 40. All the players agreed that the TV table broke better, but that was about it. The pockets were the same as were the rails. I refuse to apologize for running an event which was so well received by everyone. There are things I can do to make it better next year. And yes, mistakes were made. Greg has assured me that next year, we will have our own room. This year was an experiment, and it worked out great. Gabe won $1,500 and we paid out another $1,500 to the next three players. The added money all came from people at AZ, so we can be proud of this event. Next year, I think we can expect some added money from Diamond as well. It should be bigger and better in 2009. Thanks again to all of you who contributed.

And thanks for listening to my side of the story.
 
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jay helfert said:
Gabe's 60 was a remarkable achievement, and I won't be taking anything away from it here. As far as I'm concerned, you could have let everyone in the entire One Pocket tournament take a swing at it (including Efren) and no one would beat that score. His 60 compares with a pro golfer shooting a 59! IMHO

Now for the full story. We were playing the One Pocket Challenge in the same room as the Straight Pool Challenge run by Bob Jewett. He offered to let us use his second table. On the first day, our event did not attract too many players. But on the second day it picked up and everyone (except Efren) started shooting at it. John Schmidt was leading with a 45, and I even bet Greg Sullivan $100 that it would hold up. We had a couple of other scores in the 40's, by Alex and Gabe.

Bob seemed to be enjoying the Challenge as much as Steve Lomako and I were enjoying putting it on. At least I thought so. Steve wasn't so sure, and asked me more than once if I thought Bob was upset because of all the attention our event was getting. I assured him this was not the case.

Now it was the third and final day, and the place went crazy. We had six or seven top players lined up taking turns trying to beat John's 45. Gabe, Alex, Corey, Mika, Cliff and Allen Hopkins just to name a few. It was bedlam in there and everyone was having a blast, ribbing each other and trying to shark the other guys. Greg Sullivan and Mark Griffin hung out with us for a long time, and they seemed to be enjoying it as much as we were. I guess it somewhat over shadowed the Straight Pool being played on the next table. And you all know that in making high runs, the audience is expected to be quiet. Quiet it wasn't!

We quit taking new entries at 10:00 PM, and were determined to finish that night, when everyone had got all their tries. It was three tries for $50, plus one extra try for anyone who makes a perfect 15. There were about a dozen 15's made in three days total. AMAZING is all I have to say. About 12:30 AM (after Mika had made his 47), Bob Jewett informed me that I had to finish up in a few minutes because he was going to lock up the room. ???? He knew I had many people yet to shoot. I asked him if I could lock up the room and was turned down. I had to scramble to find another table.

I went first to the AZ room, and the guys in there were great and agreed to let us use one table. The only problem was all the spectators who were sweating it. So I ran into the tournament room and matches were still underway. Everywhere but on the TV table, which is one that I had been using most every night for the Ring Ten Ball game. It was open, and there was plenty of room for people to watch. I made a snap decision to finish the Challenge there. It was an identical table to the one we had been using, except it had newer cloth and hotter lighting. I never considered that I was making a mistake. I thought it would be a great place to finish the challenge.

So I returned to the original room and informed all the players that we would be moving to the TV table. I explained that we had been asked to leave this room immediately. No one said a word in complaint! And about 1 AM, off we went to finish up. Corey, Alex, Cliff, Gabe and a few others fired away until 7 AM. There were a couple of scores over 40 (Alex had a 46), and then Gabe shot his spectacular 60. He just played perfect, broke good and ran the balls like a genius. I watched the whole thing. He strung together five good innings which is EXTREMELY hard to do.

Mika even came down and we gave him three tries to try to top Gabe. He couldn't get to 40. All the players agreed that the TV table broke better, but that was about it. The pockets were the same as were the rails.
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Great job at working with what you had, Jay.... Sounds like a great turnout!!
 
jay helfert said:
Gabe's 60 was a remarkable achievement, and I won't be taking anything away from it here. As far as I'm concerned, you could have let everyone in the entire One Pocket tournament take a swing at it (including Efren) and no one would beat that score. His 60 compares with a pro golfer shooting a 59! IMHO

Now for the full story. We were playing the One Pocket Challenge in the same room as the Straight Pool Challenge run by Bob Jewett. He offered to let us use his second table. On the first day, our event did not attract too many players. But on the second day it picked up and everyone (except Efren) started shooting at it. John Schmidt was leading with a 45, and I even bet Greg Sullivan $100 that it would hold up. We had a couple of other scores in the 40's, by Alex and Gabe.

Bob seemed to be enjoying the Challenge as much as Steve Lomako and I were enjoying putting it on. At least I thought so. Steve wasn't so sure, and asked me more than once if I thought Bob was upset because of all the attention our event was getting. I assured him this was not the case.

Now it was the third and final day, and the place went crazy. We had six or seven top players lined up taking turns trying to beat John's 45. Gabe, Alex, Corey, Mika, Cliff and Allen Hopkins just to name a few. It was bedlam in there and everyone was having a blast, ribbing each other and trying to shark the other guys. Greg Sullivan and Mark Griffin hung out with us for a long time, and they seemed to be enjoying it as much as we were. I guess it somewhat over shadowed the Straight Pool being played on the next table. And you all know that in making high runs, the audience is expected to be quiet. Quiet it wasn't!

We quit taking new entries at 10:00 PM, and were determined to finish that night, when everyone had got all their tries. It was three tries for $50, plus one extra try for anyone who makes a perfect 15. There were about a dozen 15's made in three days total. AMAZING is all I have to say. About 12:30 AM (after Mika had made his 47), Bob Jewett informed me that I had to finish up in a few minutes because he was going to lock up the room. ???? He knew I had many people yet to shoot. I asked him if I could lock up the room and was turned down. I had to scramble to find another table.

I went first to the AZ room, and the guys in there were great and agreed to let us use one table. The only problem was all the spectators who were sweating it. So I ran into the tournament room and matches were still underway. Everywhere but on the TV table, which is one that I had been using most every night for the Ring Ten Ball game. It was open, and there was plenty of room for people to watch. I made a snap decision to finish the Challenge there. It was an identical table to the one we had been using, except it had newer cloth and hotter lighting. I never considered that I was making a mistake. I thought it would be a great place to finish the challenge.

So I returned to the original room and informed all the players that we would be moving to the TV table. I explained that we had been asked to leave this room immediately. No one said a word in complaint! And about 1 AM, off we went to finish up. Corey, Alex, Cliff, Gabe and a few others fired away until 7 AM. There were a couple of scores over 40 (Alex had a 46), and then Gabe shot his spectacular 60. He just played perfect, broke good and ran the balls like a genius. I watched the whole thing. He strung together five good innings which is EXTREMELY hard to do.

Mika even came down and we gave him three tries to try to top Gabe. He couldn't get to 40. All the players agreed that the TV table broke better, but that was about it. The pockets were the same as were the rails.
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Sounds good to me, I have no problem with it; and no participant seems to be screaming either. This is all Shakespeare...Much ado about nothing.
 
See when your patient and dont jump to conclusions believing all you read at first you find out things.To all of you who jumped to conclusions and asked Jay for an apology i think you owe him one,let this be a lesson to all on here who do this,it seems to happen too often.It seems like there are people on here who want to stone everyone and are too ignorant to see both sides before they make a judgement,shame on you! ;)
 
Nine Ball said:
What is there to hear? He let one guy play on another table while everyone else had to play on the same table. What could be the difference? Well, If you have ever played on a table that has been refelted then you should know the difference from it and a table that has been broke in. It's easier to play on the one table.
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I heard what i expected to hear from Jay,the truth and not an excuse but a reason why,theres your difference!
 
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