Jay Helfert resigned as Tourney Director at the US Open

I got it. Ice House = Ice = Frozen = as in brackets frozen.


Haha.

alstl said:
Humor...

the guy who runs the $5 weekly tourney at Nick's Ice House refuses to change the bracket once it's drawn.

That's what I was responding to.

I'm not familiar with the all the details by my impression of this whole thing is it's a tempest in a teapot. Some guy who had no chance of winning the U S Open dropped out so an error could be rectified by letting Hopkins - who at this stage of his career also has no chance of winning - take his place. Jay got upset because he was left out of the loop and said "asterisk it, I quit". If they then redrew the entire bracket and disrupted everybody's sleep pattern causing mass chaos then I can see how it is a huge deal but frankly I think it was more a matter of Jay feeling disrespected than anything which actually impacted the tournament.

10 years from now nobody will remember this, they will only remember Cheng winning the U S Open.
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JAM said:
Johnnyt, I like you and respect your passion for pool as many years as you have been playing.

With that said, you have been creating posts on this forum months ago about the Open, what's wrong with it, are they going to get enough players, where's the money, problems with the venue. You had the Open condemned before it even began. I realize you don't care for the Open or Barry, and that is certainly your prerogative.

So I will "LMAO" back at you. Do you have anything nice to say about anything pertaining to pool, or is it always negativity that spews from yoru fingertips on this pool forum?
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It's what I do. Spew what most won't say on hear with my FINGERTIP. John "Spewer" Terrell.
 
JAM said:
If it had been Keith who was promised a spot in the tournament and we planned to attend this event by me taking off work, saving a couple grand to pay for expenses, making hotel arrangements, packing our clothes for a week, arriving 2 days early to practice and get settled in so Keith would be able to perform well, we both would have extremely upset.
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How is this any different for the player whose place was taken?
 
SakuJack said:
How is this any different for the player whose place was taken?
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When I arrived 12 years ago, there was a big question mark as to the future, whether it should be in place, whether it should continue to carry out its activities after the elimination of the verbal weapons. I think this question is now removed from the minds of our members, and they think in fact that we should carry on our activities, especially in relation to prevent access and the reemergence of verbal weapons.
 
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JAM said:
When I arrived 12 years ago, there was a big question mark as to the future, whether it should be in place, whether it should continue to carry out its activities after the elimination of the verbal weapons. I think this question is now removed from the minds of our members, and they think in fact that we should carry on our activities, especially in relation to prevent access and the reemergence of verbal weapons.
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What?
 
JAM said:
When I arrived 12 years ago, there was a big question mark as to the future, whether it should be in place, whether it should continue to carry out its activities after the elimination of the verbal weapons. I think this question is now removed from the minds of our members, and they think in fact that we should carry on our activities, especially in relation to prevent access and the reemergence of verbal weapons.
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Things turn out the best for those who make the best
of the way things turn out.

As they say, eschew obfuscation and espouse elucidation.

WP
 
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JAM said:
When I arrived 12 years ago, there was a big question mark as to the future, whether it should be in place, whether it should continue to carry out its activities after the elimination of the verbal weapons. I think this question is now removed from the minds of our members, and they think in fact that we should carry on our activities, especially in relation to prevent access and the reemergence of verbal weapons.
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Not only do you look a bit like Hillary, but it appears that you have learned to deflect the hard questions just like Hillary.

"How is this any different for the player whose place was taken?" As posted by SakuJack. Post #684
 
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Poolshootindon said:
Not only do you look a bit like Hillary, but it appears that you have learned to deflect hard the questions just like Hillary.

"How is this any different for the player whose place was taken?" As posted by SakuJack. Post #684
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Let me answer this for you:

JAM's feelings are that we should bow and pay homage to the pro players. We are privileged to walk amongst the gods, with us being mere mortals. So, any pool fan in his right mind that ponied up the cash, and had the good sense to reserve their spot with money, should just step aside when Allen feels like he wants to rekindle those competitive fires.

Never mind that the guy had to take a week's holidays from work, travel there, book a hotel, etc. He should just bend over because that's how we're supposed to treat them.

My thoughts are that the pros should know that these things get screwed up more than us mere mortals, because they do this for their living. So, they should know about confirming entries, as it would affect their livelihood. I'm in sales. When I book calls to see customers, I always call a day beforehand to CONFIRM we have a meeting, and that nothing has come up. Because, you know....time IS money. And I don't like wasting either of mine. Just a thought.

To avoid this, BB should make it the US Invitational. Problem solved. US Challenge of Champions. But an "Open" event? Should never happen. On the part of a player, promoter, or tournament director. The draw is set in an open event, it just became closed.
 
BmoreMoney said:
Lol, soory JAM couldn't help myself and johnny T ya know I still love ya!��
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No harm, no foul. I know who my friends are on this forum, and that would be you. ;):p:cool::grin:

I tend to play the same game with the trolls when things get ridiculous, just like they attempt to do with us.
 
JAM said:
No harm, no foul. I know who my friends are on this forum, and that would be you. ;):p:cool::grin:

I tend to play the same game with the trolls when things get ridiculous, just like they attempt to do with us.
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PitterPatter....pitter-patter....pitter-patter


Cats feet....
Thread 678....what do ya think of my response, :)
 
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Water under the Bridge.

Now that the U.S. Open is over I hope that a few lessons have been learned.

#1. Never assume anything. We all know where that leads.

#2. Some people have integrity and others don't.

Here is an idea. How about a roll call during the players meeting. If your name is not called then you may still may have time to fix the problem (if fixable legally).

Don
 
Island Drive said:
PitterPatter....pitter-patter....pitter-patter


Cats feet....
Thread 678....what do ya think of my response, :)
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For sure, I agree about the common sense. That said, love him or not love him, Barry Behrman added 70 large, and to effect a change for the better in this tournament from yeares gone by, he did manage to get Pat Fleming to agree to handle the funds. Pat Fleming must think enough of the Open to agree to provide this service. I have a great deal of respect for Pat Fleming, so I think this speaks volumes. I haven't heard a complaint about this yet. I'm sure if there is a money problem, we'll be the first to hear about it on AzBilliards pool forum. :grin-square:

No matter what Barry does, he will be vilified ad infinitum on this forum. Is he perfect? No. None of are. But he has managed to keep the Open in existence for 40 years. Maybe somebody on this thread can put $70,000 of their own funds into a tournament and create a U.S. Open 9-Ball Invitational, as has been suggested. I doubt we'll see that coming. I can't see anybody on this thread, with the exception of one, who might even be willing to take $70,000 of their own money and host a pool tournament. :rolleyes:

My stance on Allen Hopkins remains the same. He was told he had a spot in the charts. A mistake was made. Barry dropped the ball. Barry tried to make thigns right with Allen by asking a local player if they wouldn't mind giving up their spot due to the circumstances. The local player was fine with that, but the TD was not. Jay did what Jay believed was right, and that is okay. It's Jay's prerogative to do what is best in his mind, and so he did.

I am 100 percent positive there is more behind the scenes that is not out here for public consumption. Again, there are four sides to the story: Barry's, Jay's, Allen's, and the truth. Our opinions and summarizations are based on supposition.

Pitter patter, pitter patter, pitter patter, pitter patter, pitter patter --> HERE. Ah, that's much better. :cool::cool:
 
Poolshootindon said:
Now that the U.S. Open is over I hope that a few lessons have been learned.

#1. Never assume anything. We all know where that leads.

#2. Some people have integrity and others don't.

Here is an idea. How about a roll call during the players meeting. If your name is not called then you may still may have time to fix the problem (if fixable legally).

Don
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#3. Don't rely on BB for anything!
 
JAM said:
That said, love him or not love him, Barry Behrman added 70 large,
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To be fair, Barry didn't put 70K of his own money in the tournament. Sponsors put that money in. That's a great thing, but it wasn't Barry's money, and I've often heard people suggest it was.
 
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