Q. Hann: Would you play any other American in a race in 8-ball for 30 000 $
John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????
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chamillionare said:well your house might be a bit more than 2 mil but i bet my dick is a bit more than yours wanna bet $$$$$$$
na im just joking thats a nice offer from you
funny thing was my first thought was to play at your place no pool room lurkers to shark me there which was a concern for me as its not real hard to get me going lol, and you got snooker/pool and its las vegas baby, although me with an easy won 30g in vegas might not be such a good idea
but it looks like nothing will happen now unless i play a game i never really played before or liked, and if i did play it would make me an idiot to try to give up so much when im not even playing anymore. even though i think im fav on talent alone and with no prep, but its too close and i could lose at those other games. maybe ill end up playing in future and ill take that risk but not now
maybe we could of worked out a deal ill give you my riley aristocrate sitting in my garage gathering dust if you help me wind up john and everyone else enough to take this bet. now it seems that there is obviously no snooker and probably no bet but i would of been happy to play 8 ball at your house
i dont care if there is 0 people or 20 and they can all be barricking for john as long as it is not too over the top im sure a good security man could control it anyways im used to being the underdog. as for the last 8 pages here after the shit day i had i feel like my head is gonna explode reading them all maybe ill reply another time.
im not much of a gambler i have not gambled since i started snooker at 17 i know 8 ball is a lock for me end of story it will pay for my vacation. but i wouldnt/couldnt start playing anything untill i stop working in minumum 4 months.
and to answer some of the other messages i dont have the time now or inclination to play everyone is in different situations i dont play anymore thats the truth. some people say why dont i practise and prove myself what for there is no money i dont mix in pool circles and the world is only a 100k and you need alot of luck in that game and 100k wont change my life its not even that much money,if they had one comp a month like that it would still be border line for me to play fulltime. there are things i miss in the game but for everyone of those there are 2 things i hate about the game of billiards its too hard a game to be involved in i think
i know how good i am and i know pretty much were i would be if i played all these american games, i knew were i would have stood in english 8 ball i knew were i stood in snooker too
anyways i tried to organise a game it did not work ill just have to re-retire again does thinking about playing count as a comeback
p.s ill still post for 8 ball if john changes his mind or someone backs him shit just ask me again in 4 or 5 months and ill probably be able to play with only 2 weeks notice
I must admit that I was not familiar with who you were when I read this thread in its entirety. Man, what a thread it is to read, too!
I remember that in Australia, there were not very many contenders for the IPT qualifiers. For some reason, that is how your name stuck in my mind.
Now I know who you are, and I must say that you have my utmost respect as a professional player. You sure did do well on the IPT Tour: http://www.internationalpooltour.com/Players/Bio_Hann_Quinten.aspx
The AzBilliards Discussion Forum is a great place to banter, and there are some WONDERFUL pool folk here. However, for whatever reason, professional players, like yourself, sometimes are targeted and take a lot of unnecessary hate and bullying. Rise above it and ignore the naysayers, crackpots, and trolls.
Hope to see you in the States someday. You are quite a nice-looking young man, and since you are only in your thirties, you still got quite a lot of fire left in the jug. Maybe you can bring some life into this wonderful world of pocket billiards. In the end, we would all benefit!
JAM
Why not?
I've read this whole thread through and some of the previous ones concerning this issue also.
I do understand John's opinion about 8-ball. If you don't like some game, and especially as your opponent likes it, it is understandable to withdraw.
But, there are other options also. Options which would answer the original questions: Who is the better cue artist, John or Quinten?
The original challenge was one set snooker and one set pool. John has realized that his chances at Snooker are zero, and Quinten's chances in Pool are some.
But, he originally claimed that to be top pro in Pool is as difficult as to be top pro at Snooker. Also, he said that as he would be robbed by O'Sullivan in Snooker, he would rob O'Sulivan in 14.1.
John meant, that there's no difference. Both games are equally difficult, and both pros would face the same kind of treat in opponents turf.
So.
Why don't we calculate the relative difference of a point in Snooker and Straight Pool. Then, John and Quinten can play both games long races and the winner is the one who has more points (or frames - see option 2.) in the end.
Two examples (just ideas, both needs development what it comes to the relative difference of a point, or handicap)
Option 1.
Straight Pool, race to let's say 1250 points.
Snooker, race to 2500 points (you count continuously only points and clear the table always until the last black)
Who ever gets more points, wins the whole thing.
It could be 14.1. race to 1250, and Snooker race to 1250, but I'd guess in snooker there are whole lot more points coming into play. For example Drago has run 100 in less than 3 minutes, Ronnie 147 in about 5 minutes.
So to get the right kind of calculation about the points is very difficult.
But there's another option:
Option 2.
Straight Pool, race to 100, for example 15 sets.
John spots 40 points on the wire for Quinten in every set.
Snooker, 15 sets, Quinten spots John 40 points in every frame.
Then, who ever wins more sets, is the winner.
Fatboy has promised his bit more than 2M$ mansion for use.
Fatboy has (hopefully) authentic tournament Riley with WC cloth and WC balls.
Fatboy has tournament Diamond with pro cut pockets (?).
Fatboy has promised to borrow his paradise for the use.
What do you think John and Quinten? You're ready to check out who's the better one?
Now you both need some balls and to be objective about the point difference and the handicap. What is fair, play with that!
And, as Quinten is traveling around the world to play in Johns home country, I guess it's fair that he can have his 4-6 months time to finish his job and practise for couple of weeks.
I've read this whole thread through and some of the previous ones concerning this issue also.
I do understand John's opinion about 8-ball. If you don't like some game, and especially as your opponent likes it, it is understandable to withdraw.
But, there are other options also. Options which would answer the original questions: Who is the better cue artist, John or Quinten?
The original challenge was one set snooker and one set pool. John has realized that his chances at Snooker are zero, and Quinten's chances in Pool are some.
But, he originally claimed that to be top pro in Pool is as difficult as to be top pro at Snooker. Also, he said that as he would be robbed by O'Sullivan in Snooker, he would rob O'Sulivan in 14.1.
John meant, that there's no difference. Both games are equally difficult, and both pros would face the same kind of treat in opponents turf.
So.
Why don't we calculate the relative difference of a point in Snooker and Straight Pool. Then, John and Quinten can play both games long races and the winner is the one who has more points (or frames - see option 2.) in the end.
Two examples (just ideas, both needs development what it comes to the relative difference of a point, or handicap)
Option 1.
Straight Pool, race to let's say 1250 points.
Snooker, race to 2500 points (you count continuously only points and clear the table always until the last black)
Who ever gets more points, wins the whole thing.
It could be 14.1. race to 1250, and Snooker race to 1250, but I'd guess in snooker there are whole lot more points coming into play. For example Drago has run 100 in less than 3 minutes, Ronnie 147 in about 5 minutes.
So to get the right kind of calculation about the points is very difficult.
But there's another option:
Option 2.
Straight Pool, race to 100, for example 15 sets.
John spots 40 points on the wire for Quinten in every set.
Snooker, 15 sets, Quinten spots John 40 points in every frame.
Then, who ever wins more sets, is the winner.
Fatboy has promised his bit more than 2M$ mansion for use.
Fatboy has (hopefully) authentic tournament Riley with WC cloth and WC balls.
Fatboy has tournament Diamond with pro cut pockets (?).
Fatboy has promised to borrow his paradise for the use.
What do you think John and Quinten? You're ready to check out who's the better one?
Now you both need some balls and to be objective about the point difference and the handicap. What is fair, play with that!
And, as Quinten is traveling around the world to play in Johns home country, I guess it's fair that he can have his 4-6 months time to finish his job and practise for couple of weeks.
As far as running racks in 8-ball goes, it might depend on the table. The IPT tables were pretty tough, but I thought someone posted on AZ one time that Souqet ran something like 27 racks at 8-ball.
Efren was quoted as saying "I like 8-ball...I make ball on break, I win..."
Maybe there's some way to work out a handicap for the snooker and nine ball and they play 8-ball even up.
John spots Q 10 in a race to 30 nine ball, Q gives John 10-15 games in a race to 30 snooker, John gives Q 250 in a race to 1000 straight pool,etc...
Efren was quoted as saying "I like 8-ball...I make ball on break, I win..."
Maybe there's some way to work out a handicap for the snooker and nine ball and they play 8-ball even up.
John spots Q 10 in a race to 30 nine ball, Q gives John 10-15 games in a race to 30 snooker, John gives Q 250 in a race to 1000 straight pool,etc...
JAM said:I must admit that I was not familiar with who you were when I read this thread in its entirety. Man, what a thread it is to read, too!
I remember that in Australia, there were not very many contenders for the IPT qualifiers. For some reason, that is how your name stuck in my mind.
Now I know who you are, and I must say that you have my utmost respect as a professional player. You sure did do well on the IPT Tour: http://www.internationalpooltour.com/Players/Bio_Hann_Quinten.aspx
The AzBilliards Discussion Forum is a great place to banter, and there are some WONDERFUL pool folk here. However, for whatever reason, professional players, like yourself, sometimes are targeted and take a lot of unnecessary hate and bullying. Rise above it and ignore the naysayers, crackpots, and trolls.
Hope to see you in the States someday. You are quite a nice-looking young man, and since you are only in your thirties, you still got quite a lot of fire left in the jug. Maybe you can bring some life into this wonderful world of pocket billiards. In the end, we would all benefit!
JAM
lmfao,
you take a 3 month hiatus and then come on here and defend the biggest slapnut in pool. Did you even read the thread? Nobody targeted Quinten he came on here and challenged John and then started slinging names and saying he would fight and this and that. Also, I guess you are calling John a crackpot, naysayer, or troll because he voiced his opinion on Quentin. All you need to to is google Quentins name and you can see for yourself all of his past descrepancies. Your post makes me sick at my stomach.
It seems to me Quiten's put up a very fair bet by offering to play 8 Ball on american tables with speed cloth. He's almost zero experience of playing on that equipment. Sure, he's played IPT but only for a short while and very little practice and the cloth was more akin to a snooker or english pool table cloth so that tenious link with the game of american 8 ball, which is played on completely different equipment is the closest it gets for him.
On the other hand John's comments have been very unnecessary and in my opinion all he's been trying to do is cover up for the fact he's bottled it and knows he only stands a chance against Quinten if he plays games he's very familiar with and Quinten's never played before.
Quinten - I did meet you once mate and you seemed like a decent enough guy. You might remember I was in Vegas watching the IPT with a lot of my english mates who were competeing. I stood to win a nice little sum on a 5-match accumalator if Alcaide beat Alcano in the last group match in your group. It was all looking good with David 7-3 up and you said I was nailed on for the win, then shortly after you gave me the bad news that I was going to lose A you were right! Happy days (not!)
I wouldn't bother with this lot if I were you. It's obvious they are not in your class on a table. Hell, they can't even compete with the put-downs either
On the other hand John's comments have been very unnecessary and in my opinion all he's been trying to do is cover up for the fact he's bottled it and knows he only stands a chance against Quinten if he plays games he's very familiar with and Quinten's never played before.
Quinten - I did meet you once mate and you seemed like a decent enough guy. You might remember I was in Vegas watching the IPT with a lot of my english mates who were competeing. I stood to win a nice little sum on a 5-match accumalator if Alcaide beat Alcano in the last group match in your group. It was all looking good with David 7-3 up and you said I was nailed on for the win, then shortly after you gave me the bad news that I was going to lose
A you were right! Happy days (not!)I wouldn't bother with this lot if I were you. It's obvious they are not in your class on a table. Hell, they can't even compete with the put-downs either
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This is the most reasonable post on this thread.
I think that this is the most reasonable post I've seen on this thread. The only problem is that I don't think Quentin will be willing to play a game like 14.1 with John. John has just been too dominant in 14.1 with one of the highest runs ever. If John catches a gear in 14.1, he'll take off and be 100 or 200 points ahead without Quentin stepping to the table and this is the whole point of this.
The UK style snooker players need to start to understand that american pool is just a different style of game and I think that it would be just as difficult for UK snooker players to be able to transfer to dominate in Anerican pool games as it would for Americans to become forces to be reckoned with in UK snooker.
I think that this could easily be settled with snooker players and Quentin giving the respect that players like John and David have earned. I'm not even including myself in that list because I haven't really done anything yet that merits it, but come on, all we want is a little respect for the accomplishments that have been made. I haven't heard any Americans come on and say that Darren Appleton, Ronnie O' (insert any snooker player come to american pool) aren't any good and we are better cue artists.
Let's say that I continue to focus on Snooker and am able to beat a top snooker player more half of the frames that we play? what would that mean?
Nothing is the answer. IT would mena that I focused on snooker enough to transfer my ability in cue sports to the other game. Does it mean that I'm the better cue artist? NO not really. Hell if I had been only playing snooker since I started playing pool I might even be able to be better at it. That still doesn't mean I'm the better cue artist.
I'm willing to admit right now that I wouldn't have a chance against David or John in 14.1 because I haven't really focused on that game. I couldn't play one pocket until recently, because I had never really focused on that game.
billiards has enough descension, we need to learn to start respecting each other and get together to try and bring our sport back up to a high level of gentlemanly play. That's what it's been lacking since it's decline and if we can get it back there, it might have a chacne again.
I have to go to work, so I'll stop my rant, but come on guys let's just get along, "No Rodney King pun intended."
Marvel said:
I think that this is the most reasonable post I've seen on this thread. The only problem is that I don't think Quentin will be willing to play a game like 14.1 with John. John has just been too dominant in 14.1 with one of the highest runs ever. If John catches a gear in 14.1, he'll take off and be 100 or 200 points ahead without Quentin stepping to the table and this is the whole point of this.
The UK style snooker players need to start to understand that american pool is just a different style of game and I think that it would be just as difficult for UK snooker players to be able to transfer to dominate in Anerican pool games as it would for Americans to become forces to be reckoned with in UK snooker.
I think that this could easily be settled with snooker players and Quentin giving the respect that players like John and David have earned. I'm not even including myself in that list because I haven't really done anything yet that merits it, but come on, all we want is a little respect for the accomplishments that have been made. I haven't heard any Americans come on and say that Darren Appleton, Ronnie O' (insert any snooker player come to american pool) aren't any good and we are better cue artists.
Let's say that I continue to focus on Snooker and am able to beat a top snooker player more half of the frames that we play? what would that mean?
Nothing is the answer. IT would mena that I focused on snooker enough to transfer my ability in cue sports to the other game. Does it mean that I'm the better cue artist? NO not really. Hell if I had been only playing snooker since I started playing pool I might even be able to be better at it. That still doesn't mean I'm the better cue artist.
I'm willing to admit right now that I wouldn't have a chance against David or John in 14.1 because I haven't really focused on that game. I couldn't play one pocket until recently, because I had never really focused on that game.
billiards has enough descension, we need to learn to start respecting each other and get together to try and bring our sport back up to a high level of gentlemanly play. That's what it's been lacking since it's decline and if we can get it back there, it might have a chacne again.
I have to go to work, so I'll stop my rant, but come on guys let's just get along, "No Rodney King pun intended."
the trick is what is fair
The catch is what is fair? After reading how tough the snooker tables are and that pretty much every man, woman, and child over eight in the UK routinely runs centuries, obviously they are far better cue handlers than anyone else in the world including John. To compare, John breaks 100 every day that he practices 14.1 according to what I read. He only has a few dozen runs over 200 and I think two or three 400 or better.
It seems that 130's and 140's are very easy for people that play regularly on snooker tables and Hann can run 147 at snooker every time he picks up a stick. I would say that from the claims of Hann and his supporters that 100 points 14.1 is equal to 130-147 in snooker.
Could be that the snooker proponents somewhat exaggerate but we will see how that line goes.
Hu
Marvel said:
The catch is what is fair? After reading how tough the snooker tables are and that pretty much every man, woman, and child over eight in the UK routinely runs centuries, obviously they are far better cue handlers than anyone else in the world including John. To compare, John breaks 100 every day that he practices 14.1 according to what I read. He only has a few dozen runs over 200 and I think two or three 400 or better.
It seems that 130's and 140's are very easy for people that play regularly on snooker tables and Hann can run 147 at snooker every time he picks up a stick. I would say that from the claims of Hann and his supporters that 100 points 14.1 is equal to 130-147 in snooker.
Could be that the snooker proponents somewhat exaggerate but we will see how that line goes.
Hu
You know, I measure success on quality of life, and just pure happiness. Evidently, some people on here measure on possessions. Now, I do pretty well, but I am a pretty happy guy. Successsful if you will. Give you an example: I have a friend that lives in a housetrailer (singlewide) in or around Asheville, NC. For years I judged him as kind of "low cash" or a "non-achiever." Come to find out, he sold 90 acres to a golf course right below where his trailer is. He's a MULTI-millionaire. He is perfectly happy with life without showing it. Sure, in some professions, you have to "show" a little more. I just thought this was a good example.chamillionare said:
Noone likes to be broke. But the broke man may be happier than you. Who's to judge. Now, young man of thirty, go earn some more of that money that fulfills you so much......
as mentioned earlier, I'm sure John could get backed for this match easy
You Think I'm Not Paying Close Attention
8-Ball
It's not the skill, the experience, the strategy, the pattern play or the break(s).
I have just three words for you........"BEWARE THE SLOW NAP CLOTH"
Doug
8-Ball
It's not the skill, the experience, the strategy, the pattern play or the break(s).
I have just three words for you........"BEWARE THE SLOW NAP CLOTH"
Doug
smashmouth said:
I know for a fact that Mizerak WON his All Around match with Rex Williams, a top snooker player.
Must not
Must not know a thing about snooker. I only played it about ten years on a far tighter table than any Riley championship table.
Reading this thread I would think UK snooker players were gods and those that could shoot at a championship level sat at the head table in heaven.
With all the humor in the thread I thought I would add a little more.
Hu
emoticons added, perhaps I should do the same for my earlier post.
Riggers said:
Must not know a thing about snooker. I only played it about ten years on a far tighter table than any Riley championship table.
Reading this thread I would think UK snooker players were gods and those that could shoot at a championship level sat at the head table in heaven.
With all the humor in the thread I thought I would add a little more.
Hu
emoticons added, perhaps I should do the same for my earlier post.
JoeyA said:Normally, I don't sweat my own matches let alone someone else's match. This one, I make an exception to. I would love to sweat this match at your mansion if I get the nod.
I bet your watch is worth more than Hann's watch.
I bet Hann ain't going to accept this match.
I bet I ain't bettin' sheyattt.
I will bring my own sweater's towel if I get invited to the match................... WHOA! Wait a minute.
How about THE GINGERBREAD MAN AND JOEY THE GLOVE as an undercard?
JoeyA
I'd love to accommodate you Joey, but first I have to get my GF's permission to stay out late. And Las Vegas is such a long trip for me, I'd prefer to play on my favorite table in my favorite pool room. And I may need help with a backer since it so expensive to travel these days. Does any of this sound familiar? Well, it should!
You want to come to Vegas and play at Fatboy's pad? I don't believe you! This is so out of character for you to offer to travel West of the Mississippi.
I will be there in May during the BCA. Come on out and we can play the two sets of pool you agreed to earlier. One set of One Pocket and one set of Banks. Once again, you can pick the bet, but it must be a minimum of $500 a set, or $1,000 total. Forget that $200 a set nonsense. That game's over!
I don't care if we're the Undercard, the Overcard or the No Card. I don't care if it's on TAR or just har-di-har! Bring your cue and bring some money and I'll meet you in Vegas. GAME ON!!!
nice offer from fatboy
jay helfert said:
I wasn't aware they ever matched up, but I'm guessing he beat the Miz handily in snooker as he did earlier against Mosconi, I'd imagine he would have been well past his prime also
remember Miz and Rempe both couldn't even qualify for the tour, and the Miz was thrashed by Steve Davis in snooker during their contests
not too many pool players I favour in a mixed format, right now, Efren, Alex P,
and SVB all come to mind, Alex P may have the best snooker game of all pool players, even better than Manalo
back in the 80's we had alot of guys here who played better snooker than anyone outside the UK and could play pool also, sadly, those days are gone
some of those top UK 8 ball players would be very very strong in an all round format, Peach is a good example
(however Gomez did hand him the final by choking and Peach doesn't even get to the finals in a long race format)
(however Gomez did hand him the final by choking and Peach doesn't even get to the finals in a long race format)
dew said:
Maybe it was Mosconi who played Williams. So both he and Miz won challenge matches against Snooker players. And Jim Rempe won the English 8-Ball title several times. So Americans are not completely helpless at these games.