John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

Japan

I don't know about other countries but here in Okinawa a race to 7 for 20 is a stout bet.Japanese people seem to bet high on pachinko and slots but when it comes to betting on there own skills they don't put much in the middle.JMHO
 
after 29 pages of reading is there a match or not???

QH put you money where your mouth is and deposit it with TAR.
Stop messing everyone around with all this cat fighting.

If you don't put down your money, it does't matter what talent you have (or had) you're just a walking, talking bullshitter.
 
bigg7 said:
I don't know about other countries but here in Okinawa a race to 7 for 20 is a stout bet.Japanese people seem to bet high on pachinko and slots but when it comes to betting on there own skills they don't put much in the middle.JMHO
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Akisamiyo! Have you been to Tokyo? or Osaka? There are some game Japanese 9 ballers that will bet high. They got a 9 ball ring game with the 5 paying off as well that will set you back a couple grand in an hour or so.
 
bongobill said:
whats happeed can you tell me............gotta get back to work before i get in trouble:D
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Quinten agreed to play a multitude of different ways and agreed to place a deposit with TAR as soon as John agreed to do the same, but John doesn't want to play.

John did say that if he wins this action challenge, he will play QH some.


Edited: John made it a point to let me know he would play Quentin not "he might play QH some" if he won the Action Challenge. Anyway, thanks to John for taking some practice time out of his day to chat with some of us non-titanlike pool players.
 
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I think John said he'll play:

long race 9 ball OR 14.1 race to 1000.

Quinten said he'll play Snooker + 14.1 + 8 Ball, or just 8 ball.


Not taking sides but most neutrals in this thread seem to think QH has offered the most weight.

(Given a] He's offered 2 American games + Snooker, OR 1 American game, and b] John is 9 Ball US Open champion and Mr 400+ at straight pool!)

I hope John wins his next match up and accepts the multi option, would answer lots of questions!

Oh...QH has also offered to fight half the world :)
 
I don't think there is any match I would like to see over this one.

Snooker + 14.1 + 8 ball, would be huge.

I gaurantee I'll buy the dvd.
 
Why would john refuse to play quentin in 8 ball? With his 14.1 prowess he shouldn't be scared.

Also why hasn't quinten accepted shane's open challenge on the box????

Alot of woofin.... for what????? Come on guys make a game.
 
Because 8-ball doesn't require anywhere near the skill 9 ball does. How hard is it to knock 8 balls in in any order? Where 9 Ball, the knowledge of shots and banks that is required for safety play and escapes is massive.
 
No offense, but that is not LoGIC to me. 8-ball is a far more complex game. In 9-ball the balls tell you what to do. Its a simple game, really.

There are more strokeshots in 9b but 8b tests your speed and patterns. Besides with modern materials you seldom need to let your stroke out in 9b.
 
wrong again......

Poolplaya9 said:
I don't see 9 ball being the same type of challenge as snooker, where shot making is REALLY put to the test on a much bigger table with much tighter pockets, and where it requires much more precise position play too. If you really want the ultimate challenge, they need to play snooker. Of course this wouldn't be fair because of Quentin's prevous experience and expertise in that game. The same way that 9 ball wouldn't be fair because of John's previous experience and expertise.

No game has all of the possible pool skills or shots or strategies, and somebody can make a valid argument against any particular game not featuring certain things that they feel are important. That is why the above argument for 9 ball is full of holes. It does not showcase the best pool skills, just the ones that you happen to want to see, or happen to value the most.

For anyone that actually cares about seeing a fair game, as opposed to the game they just want to see or the one that favors their favorite player, then 9 ball, snooker, and most other games have to be completely out of consideration. Since no game features all of the possible shots, strategy, and knowledge requirements anyway, it makes even more sense to just focus on finding a game that is fair.

The only game that does not give a huge advantage to one player over the other (except for a small advantage due to the equipment) would be American 8 ball, which Quentin offered to travel around the world to play on American tables, with American cues, in John's backyard.

Or even better than that, they could just play a fair all around match with three of John's games of 8, 9 and 10 ball on American equipment, and two of Quentins games of snooker and English 8 ball on their repective equipment (slightly in John's favor at 3 to 2). This would have the most appeal, to the most people, and it also features almost all of the pool skills that are possible. Quentin has offered this game too.

So what's so wrong with playing the one game that is the most fair, even if it doesn't happen to be the game that you would like to see?

And whats wrong with the all around that Quentin offered? It would showcase almost every pool skill imaginable, has tons of appeal to the masses, and it does it while being fair to both participants.
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It has nothing to do with the skills that we want to see. It has to do with the skills that Quinten has pissed on repeatedly and stated in no uncertain terms are worthless and can be duplicated by him in a weeks worth of practice. So again someone who has missed the point. Quit pissing on American style pool champions and either quit talking shit or post up on the games that require strong American style playing to excell at or shut up.

Jaden.
 
I said Okinawa

Never played in Tokyo so I cant comment but the only time in the last 5 years I have seen my Friend play for more than 50 bucks is when some pro from mainland comes over.The man basically quit playing because no one would come to his pool hall to play him and every time we would go to theirs they would want to play a dollar a ball.
 
bigg7 said:
I don't know about other countries but here in Okinawa a race to 7 for 20 is a stout bet.Japanese people seem to bet high on pachinko and slots but when it comes to betting on there own skills they don't put much in the middle.JMHO
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Read your post again. You title it Japan and then you refer to Japanese people.
 
Jaden said:
It has nothing to do with the skills that we want to see. It has to do with the skills that Quinten has pissed on repeatedly and stated in no uncertain terms are worthless and can be duplicated by him in a weeks worth of practice. So again someone who has missed the point. Quit pissing on American style pool champions and either quit talking shit or post up on the games that require strong American style playing to excell at or shut up.

Jaden.
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Somebody HAS missed the point but I don't think it was me. Quentin already offered to play all of the games with all the skills that you say he "pissed on."

He has offered several all around matches that are fair, will show who has the most all around talent (the claim in dispute), and that have the American games with the "pissed on" skills in them. In fact, each challenge he offered had more American games than foreign ones.

I don't think you read my whole post (even though you quoted it) because it talks about where he already offered to play 8, 9 and 10 ball as well as snooker and English 8 ball, the very same games you say he has "pissed on." And he has also offered to play straight pool, snooker and 8 ball, again offering to play games he has "pissed on." He has very clearly offered to play all of the American games with all of the skills that he has "pissed on."

If his opponent will not accept his challenge you may not get to see it happen, but you can't say he didn't offer to back up his claims, because he did.
 
What difference does it make if he plays Harriman.That does not make any sense. Even if he loses I'm sure he would have no problem getting backed. What else is he doing doing where he could make 30K for a couple of days work. Nothing !!!!!!! All things considered Hann is giving up a LOT of weight!!!!!
 
Fixer said:
No offense, but that is not LoGIC to me. 8-ball is a far more complex game. In 9-ball the balls tell you what to do. Its a simple game, really.

There are more strokeshots in 9b but 8b tests your speed and patterns. Besides with modern materials you seldom need to let your stroke out in 9b.
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In 9 ball there is 1 pattern you must play to win- the balls in ascending order. In 8 ball- there are many patterns, and if you screw up speed control, you can just shoot another ball(provided you didn't just sink 6 balls and mess up position on the 7th), where in 9 ball, you screw up speed, your turn ends.
 
I think we are OT here, he he. I agree in 8-ball you can be saved by insurance-balls. In 9-ball you can play for big area-shape zones.

That is the easy part.

The hard part is cueball control in 8b as well as patternplay and problem solving.

The better player wins more often at 8-ball, than 9-ball. My opinion.

Maybe PM huh? Lol.
 
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