John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

memikey said:
Nice find:) .......but if that qualifies as having "played" American Pool in the sense in which this discussion is taking place then, amongst other things, I have driven in Formula 1, played soccer against the World Cup winners, held the lead in a European Seniors PGA Tour event and went to dinner with a reigning Miss World:) :D


Aah, the life of a jet setting super spy !!
 
Jimmy M. said:
<snip>As far as pool games go, 9-ball is probably one of the easier games they could play on a pool table, but it's still a game that will challenge all of a player's abilities, especially in a long set like John is offering. I don't see 8-ball being the same type of challenge, where breaking, kicking, jumping, shot-making, etc are really put to the test.
I don't see 9 ball being the same type of challenge as snooker, where shot making is REALLY put to the test on a much bigger table with much tighter pockets, and where it requires much more precise position play too. If you really want the ultimate challenge, they need to play snooker. Of course this wouldn't be fair because of Quentin's prevous experience and expertise in that game. The same way that 9 ball wouldn't be fair because of John's previous experience and expertise.

No game has all of the possible pool skills or shots or strategies, and somebody can make a valid argument against any particular game not featuring certain things that they feel are important. That is why the above argument for 9 ball is full of holes. It does not showcase the best pool skills, just the ones that you happen to want to see, or happen to value the most.

For anyone that actually cares about seeing a fair game, as opposed to the game they just want to see or the one that favors their favorite player, then 9 ball, snooker, and most other games have to be completely out of consideration. Since no game features all of the possible shots, strategy, and knowledge requirements anyway, it makes even more sense to just focus on finding a game that is fair.

The only game that does not give a huge advantage to one player over the other (except for a small advantage due to the equipment) would be American 8 ball, which Quentin offered to travel around the world to play on American tables, with American cues, in John's backyard.

Or even better than that, they could just play a fair all around match with three of John's games of 8, 9 and 10 ball on American equipment, and two of Quentins games of snooker and English 8 ball on their repective equipment (slightly in John's favor at 3 to 2). This would have the most appeal, to the most people, and it also features almost all of the pool skills that are possible. Quentin has offered this game too.

So what's so wrong with playing the one game that is the most fair, even if it doesn't happen to be the game that you would like to see?

And whats wrong with the all around that Quentin offered? It would showcase almost every pool skill imaginable, has tons of appeal to the masses, and it does it while being fair to both participants.
 
dynamite said:
:D :D

i was on about you and john not me!!

but boxing you got no shot!!

billiards you can win of course!
putting that aside it would be great to see you and john match up

js v qh 8ball race to 100 for 50k www.theactionreport.com :D
dynamite said:
:D :D

i was on about you and john not me!!

but boxing you got no shot!!

billiards you can win of course!
putting that aside it would be great to see you and john match up

js v qh 8ball race to 100 for 50k www.theactionreport.com :D

i know what you meant you were stirring the pot a little :) but you forget thats my job matey
if we played you might win the 8 ball but i think i would win the boxing as you spend to much time playing pool and drinking :p

maybe this 8 ball bet might happen just wait a bit longer as anything is possible in america?
 
punter said:
Aah, the life of a jet setting super spy !!

The brown gazelle has reached the watering hole......I repeat.....the brown gazelle has reached the watering hole.
 
chamillionare said:
i know what you meant you were stirring the pot a little :) but you forget thats my job matey
if we played you might win the 8 ball but i think i would win the boxing as you spend to much time playing pool and drinking :p

maybe this 8 ball bet might happen just wait a bit longer as anything is possible in america?


Would the boxing match be with gloves or bare knuckles? Actually, in your other boxing matches did you wear head gear? Just curious, I assuming you would use head gear and some very padded gloves otherwise there could be rare accident that ends someones career. Didn't you worry about an eye injury?
 
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memikey said:
Nice find:) .......but if that qualifies as having "played" American Pool in the sense in which this discussion is taking place then, amongst other things, I have driven in Formula 1, played soccer against the World Cup winners, held the lead in a European Seniors PGA Tour event and went to dinner with a reigning Miss World:) :D


Yeah, I know, I just wanted to post the video :p
 
chamillionare said:
drago is good but not that good i think there would be better snooker players at pool he just happens to play alot when most snooker players dont.
i only ever made 2 147 breaks in my whole career but i know alot of snooker pros over there made many terry was a good player he could play great in streaks but i think he liked his guiness a little too much eh. he was a nice guy i hope he is doing well

im sure i played him once but i cant remember who won?

Quinten, if you would like to challenge Tony to a 9-Ball match, I'm sure that one can be arranged. It might be a way to get your feet wet over here playing for some cash. Tony is coming over later this month and we can set something up for a date and time that works for you.

I doubt that Tony will bet more than 10K, but I will sweeten the pot with 10K of my own. I know this is a small bet for a man of your means, but let's just call it a starter game for your pool gambling career. Come and get it big boy. By the way, all your woofing on here doesn't bother me one iota. I only hope you're serious and really want to challenge a few pool players.

I'm sure the TAR guys would love to do a big match or yours over here, if it could be arranged. A gambler like you would be well received in the states. In case you didn't know, there are no bigger gamblers in the pool world than the Americans. Not bragging, just a fact. If you don't believe me, ask around.
 
jay helfert said:
..... In case you didn't know, there are no bigger gamblers in the pool world than the Americans. Not bragging, just a fact. If you don't believe me, ask around.

That seems to be a highly subjective American view:confused:

Ask around yourself Jay......talking gambling in general and not singling out pool, almost anyone outside USA and many inside, can tell you that the gambling intensity of the Chinese and of the Hong Kong Chinese in particular, is way beyond that of Americans ;) :)

Have fun in Manila by the way........you're getting greedy for it now man:)
 
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memikey said:
That seems to be a highly subjective American view:confused:

Ask around yourself Jay......talking gambling in general and not singling out pool, almost anyone outside USA and many inside, can tell you that the gambling intensity of the Chinese and of the Hong Kong Chinese in particular, is way beyond that of Americans ;) :)
Wanna bet?
 
:) Yep, anytime JCIN.

The relatively few casino establishments in Macao gross more annually than all the casinos in Las Vegas added together. Happy Valley racecourse in Hong Kong has by a very very long way the biggest betting turnover of any racetrack anywhere. Asian bookies' takings dwarf those of Europe and USA.

Asians are rabid gamblers. There really is no reasonable comparison and Jay is (albeit very patriotically) way off the mark.

There is actually a world outside USA:)
 
memikey said:
There really is no reasonable comparison and Jay is (albeit very patriotically) way off the mark.

There is actually a world outside USA:)

I thought Jay was specificly talking about pool gambling? no?
 
billbOK said:
I thought Jay was specificly talking about pool gambling? no?

He might have been, probably was, I can't tell for sure....that's why my post 410, which you obviously didn't read, said....

....talking gambling in general and not singling out pool.....

I'm not sure he'd even be right about pool gambling to be honest but that's another matter and I wouldn't have enough info on that to be sure either way and Jay has forgotten more about pool than I'll ever know, so it wouldn't be a good bet for me. I'm sure about gambling in general though:)

This is only a gentle bit of fun by the way not a flame war, as Jay will definitely know;)
 
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I think that actually part of the reason that the game has taken off in those parts of the world.... b/c of the gamble that most folks have there.

Even in the Phillipines...it is my understanding that the people there will gamble on just about anything :D
 
memikey said:
:) Yep, anytime JCIN.

The relatively few casino establishments in Macao gross more annually than all the casinos in Las Vegas added together. Happy Valley racecourse in Hong Kong has by a very very long way the biggest betting turnover of any racetrack anywhere. Asian bookies' takings dwarf those of Europe and USA.

Asians are rabid gamblers. There really is no reasonable comparison and Jay is (albeit very patriotically) way off the mark.

There is actually a world outside USA:)
LOL....I had a bet with myself on how you would respond. I won.

It was a joke.

Anyone who has ever seen a casino full of Asian players knows they give the world the 7 in gamble. Pool on the other hand......no contest the good ol' USA is tops. Unless all the players from Europe and Asia have been lieing to me. They gamble more often in the PI but due to the economy the stakes are generally much lower. For matches $5K and up the states is the place. Which considering how much money is bet on Poker every hour online isn't really saying much.
 
LOL - JCIN!:)

Likely USA is tops in pool no doubt.

Just for interest there are quite often very hefty money matches in Uk at ukstyle 8 ball. Each player putting up 20/30,000 sterling (about US$40/60,000) is not that unusual in recent years, race to 29 or thereabouts, ask Darren:)
 
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