Kevin Varney Status

Buckeyejim said:
Dear Don,your advice to poolplayer is assinine,at best. First off,we're not talking about an "estimated delivery date" from KV. Mine in particular was PROMISED 90 days,no longer! Damn,I wanted to keep this private,but when you start stompin' around w/out all the facts,as most do on this forum, I have to speak out. Its not about a grudge,its about misrepresenting actual timeframes.I have pm's to prove communications that have taken place in my case,and judging from the breakdown of comm.between KV and potential buyers,we have every right to start getting very disappointed! If you cant read between my lines,pm me as this is as far as I will go on a forum.

I'm in the same situation. I've dealt with cuemakers before who estimate so and so time. If they're a little late that's fine I understand. And they usually communicate and keep me updated on what's happening, why they're late etc.

Kevin has quite a business with these J/B cues and like Buckeye, I was *promised* 90 days or less ("I'll have it ready to ship 90 days or less")and it's been almost a month past that. If we go by initial estimated time, it's been two months past that (his initial estimate was early feb--"but i can only guarantee 90 days").

I waited very patiently and tried contacting him politely but he would ignore my PMs or when he finally responded, he would be accusatory and seemingly threaten me with delivering substandard work. At no point would he try to explain his situation nor was he ever apologetic. In fact he claimed not to have ever promised 90 days until I showed him the copy of his PM. Then he ignored that and just gave me another estimated delivery date that has since passed.

Now, perhaps conveniently, his computer is on the fritz. His cues might be great (I wish I could know that first hand at this point) but his customer service skills, at least judging from the last 3-4 months, seem to be lacking greatly. I can think of many ways he could have better handled the situation so that even if he's late delivering, his customers, including myself, aren't quite as unhappy. That starts with keeping people updated, showing them a little respect, responding in a timely manner, and giving them information.

Anyways, while I am somewhat annoyed, I do hope all is well with him.
 
Thecoats said:
I agree that it sucks wanting your cue and it taking longer than expected but it comes with the territory when you buy a cue from a independent one man shop cue maker.
I think a lot of problems here could be solved with good communication & common sense.

When you take a deposit for work to be done, you should at least show your customers the courtesy of calling/e-mailing/communicating when you're running behind... or, if you have a habit of being backed up, maybe try quoting people more realistic delivery dates.

Or else, work at your own pace but don't take a deposit.
 
I'll only pay a deposit if the cue/case I'm ordering is highly "custom" or personalized in such a manner that it would prove difficult for the maker to move.

As a result there are no hard feelings and nothing to sweat.
 
Thanks all for the inputs on Kevin Varney whereabouts, i shall wait till Kevin Varney is back. Meanwhile, although i do have my unhappiness, i believe we all can wait for kevin varney explaination on his side. Till then.
 
ribdoner said:
I'll only pay a deposit if the cue/case I'm ordering is highly "custom" or personalized in such a manner that it would prove difficult for the maker to move.

As a result there are no hard feelings and nothing to sweat.

I completely agree Ribdoner, in fact I do not take a deposit unless a customer is insistant. I mean even some of the top end cue makers do not take deposits, look at Sout West, Mrs Franklin will not take a deposit and they have a waiting list out 9 years.

While I can understand the concept of taking a deposit, and also why some people do it, ( To commit both parties to the agreement) life happens and problems like this can occur when commitments fall short of everyones expectations. However, I also agree with all posters to this thread, a little common courtesy and good communication will stop the negative manner that is beginning to show its ugly head on this forum concerning this issue!!!


Good luck to all concerned!!!!!!:)
 
ribdoner said:
I'll only pay a deposit if the cue/case I'm ordering is highly "custom" or personalized in such a manner that it would prove difficult for the maker to move.

As a result there are no hard feelings and nothing to sweat.
CCis growing- Coach Cal?
 
The last time I signed on to AZ which was awhile ago, I was reading about this same thing. It's almost as if I never left. I've delt with several custom makers over the years and to be reading this many complaints about one in general is not good business. If Mr. Varney wants to continue selling cues he probably should change his delivery dates to when ever.
 
skeeterpro said:
The last time I signed on to AZ which was awhile ago, I was reading about this same thing. It's almost as if I never left. I've delt with several custom makers over the years and to be reading this many complaints about one in general is not good business. If Mr. Varney wants to continue selling cues he probably should change his delivery dates to when ever.

Or hire a customer service representative.
 
well at the end of january he said my cue was almost done..but then he got sick and fell behind. i think he was hospitalized for a little bit so its understandable that he hasnt finished the cues. i think he addressed this in other threads and said he's working hard to get everything finished up. he didnt msg everyone individually but he did address the situation. then his computer broke so thats why theres been no communication since march 23rd. but prior to that he did say he was behind due to the problems with his health. he posted a few cues he finished and shipped and said he was working on the remainder to be finished soon.
 
This must be some sick joke

I can't believe this kind of situation comes up. We all know KV has had recent health issues, and he stands by his work. His generosity here on AZ is unmatched. Not to mention his cues are always sold so quickly here on AZ. Even with a slumped cue market, his cues usually don't last very long.

You know when you get a cue from him, its gonna meet a high standard. He's not the only cue maker like that either. Others, if not satisfied, will scrap the cue and start over. So you expect him to call every one and talk to them about it? He'll end up with a 30+ minute conversation with everyone, and thats time he could be working on those cues. People must think he works out of his house he should work 18 hours a day or something. Cue making is a job (and an art!) and he shouldn't have to put in any more time than the rest of the 9-5 workers. But lets spend half of that time on the phone talking to people?

Then theres the material. Wood is unpredictable, shit goes wrong. I'm sure you want a half-assed custom to get delivered to your door, full of flawed wood. I'd be thrilled!

Seems like some of you would like to see him work himself into a coma- so long as you get your damn cue.
 
in todays world of no more long distance calls and cell phones theres really no excuse not to call some one even if someone has no computer
there hundreds of place someone can use one keeping in touch is just good business i think kevins a good guy and sure he will contact you soon
 
NPR Section

This thread should be in the NPR section? Just looking to figure out what can and can't be posted in this section.
 
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Take a deposit, you'd better deliver on time.....

-Ross
ordered many custom cues and never asked for a desposit...
 
I'd like a call from KV

I paid for my cue a while back too. In FULL. I even tossed in a few extra bucks.

I understand being banged up and out of it for a bit.

All i'm asking for is a update. Either by computer or phone. It would take about 2 minutes, tops.

Kevin, I hope everything that is going on with you get resolved soon. Please drop me a line and let me know where we are with my cue.

thanks,

cbi
 
LoGiC said:
I can't believe this kind of situation comes up. We all know KV has had recent health issues, and he stands by his work. His generosity here on AZ is unmatched. Not to mention his cues are always sold so quickly here on AZ. Even with a slumped cue market, his cues usually don't last very long.

You know when you get a cue from him, its gonna meet a high standard. He's not the only cue maker like that either. Others, if not satisfied, will scrap the cue and start over. So you expect him to call every one and talk to them about it? He'll end up with a 30+ minute conversation with everyone, and thats time he could be working on those cues. People must think he works out of his house he should work 18 hours a day or something. Cue making is a job (and an art!) and he shouldn't have to put in any more time than the rest of the 9-5 workers. But lets spend half of that time on the phone talking to people?

Then theres the material. Wood is unpredictable, shit goes wrong. I'm sure you want a half-assed custom to get delivered to your door, full of flawed wood. I'd be thrilled!

Seems like some of you would like to see him work himself into a coma- so long as you get your damn cue.

This post I think misses the entire point.

We aren't expecting him to work around the clock. We aren't expecting him to perform magic or spend hours on the phone.

We expect him to fulfill his own promises. And provide some respectful communication when he is unable to. If he has a bunch of unhappy customers it is not because we're ungrateful louts who want the guy to work himself to death, it's because we've all been promised certain things and not had those promises fulfilled.

He promised--not estimated, promised--a date for me. He had three additional estimates. He met none of them, and his communication has been spotty and annoyed. And it sounds like he's done this for a lot of people. And now he's fallen off the face of the earth for two weeks.

For me he requested the full price of the cue upfront, which I paid immediately, figuring he was the type of guy you just described. Since then, I've seen absolutely nothing to show he is any of those things you describe him as.

When the promised date passed I PMed him, politely asking him for an update on the status. He didn't reply. I PMed him again. He replied all annoyed and started accusing me of this and that and acting very defensively. He claimed there was no promised date until I copied for him the PM three months previous where he did promise. Then he ignored that and gave me an updated estimate, which has since passed. He never gave any reason for the delay, never told me where the cue was in the pipeline or anything. I'm in complete limbo--for all I know the cue hasn't been started yet.

Now let's contrast that to all the things he could have done to make me, the paying customer, feel better.

He could have replied to my intial, polite PM. He could have apologized for not meeting his promised date. He could, at any point in the process, explained to me that he's swamped with work, or the wood for my cue had an issue, or something. He could have given been somewhat respectful and apologetic or tried to be understanding, or not accusatory. He could have offered some sort of amends for not meeting a promised date.

At the very least he could have given me an answer that read like an honest reply and an honest attempt to communicate with his customer rather than what it seemed like (and apparently was) a quick reply he hoped would just get me off his back for the time being, and that had no bearing on reality.

If he's facing issues with being swamped with too many orders, or having too many family commitments or whatever, then that's completely understandable. Heck, if his business is thriving then good for him! But then he should recognize this and amend his promised and estimated delivery dates. Or if this stuff as come up unexpectantly, be more apologetic towards his customers and try to provide them with updated and accurate information. After all, he has given people his word. Under-promise and over-deliver is a common phrase, yet his current MO seems to be over-promise and under-deliver. That's why people are annoyed.
 
Never

Never rush an artist . People have lives
I had to wait alot longer than Kevin had told me
but I was glad to do it because I knew I had
a good cue on the way .Now I have two of Kevins cues
and love em .......Give the guy a break :D
 
LoGiC said:
I can't believe this kind of situation comes up. We all know KV has had recent health issues, and he stands by his work. His generosity here on AZ is unmatched. Not to mention his cues are always sold so quickly here on AZ. Even with a slumped cue market, his cues usually don't last very long.

You know when you get a cue from him, its gonna meet a high standard. He's not the only cue maker like that either. Others, if not satisfied, will scrap the cue and start over. So you expect him to call every one and talk to them about it? He'll end up with a 30+ minute conversation with everyone, and thats time he could be working on those cues. People must think he works out of his house he should work 18 hours a day or something. Cue making is a job (and an art!) and he shouldn't have to put in any more time than the rest of the 9-5 workers. But lets spend half of that time on the phone talking to people?

Then theres the material. Wood is unpredictable, shit goes wrong. I'm sure you want a half-assed custom to get delivered to your door, full of flawed wood. I'd be thrilled!

Seems like some of you would like to see him work himself into a coma- so long as you get your damn cue.

I kinda agree with you on what you're saying, but I'm also thinking back to a few threads I've read over the past few months. I'm thinking maybe it's time for KV to add a couple of months to his expected time span. Yeah, things go wrong... health, bad wood, babies being born, but maybe he should add 2 months for uh-ohs and maybe 1 or 2 months just because his cues have become popular enough to cause a backlog. That would mean to offer them a cue in the 90 day time frame PLUS maybe 4 months.... let's see...... that's maybe about 7 months. I bet a lot of folks would have no problems with that time frame, if offered and kept. Am I right?
 
Initially I thought I was the one unfortunate one facing such problems with KV. :eek:
Now I know that I am not alone in facing all these rubbish.


LoGiC:
Please understand the real situation before making any LoGiCal remarks.
If the cue is not ready, I doubt any cuemaker would DARE to promise a date for delivery.
It is easier for the cuemakers to tell the customers that there will be a delay than to look into the calendar to think of a "promised" date.


Rocket354:
I think you are facing what I was facing in December 2007 whereby I was promised a few dates but nothing was delivered.
When the cue was delivered, something was missing but I decided not to follow up just to end the whole issue.

I just made a simple post for opinions regarding the situation without stating the cue maker.
The thread was locked within 1 day which I do not know why till now. :rolleyes:



It is not fun waiting for something which was promised to you and I really feel for all the guys in this situation.
We are always in the lose-lose situation especially after making the full payment and waiting for the cue in vain. :(

Good luck to all who are dealing with KV.
I think you all really need it.
 
I think you are facing what I was facing in December 2007 whereby I was promised a few dates but nothing was delivered.
When the cue was delivered, something was missing but I decided not to follow up just to end the whole issue.

I just made a simple post for opinions regarding the situation without stating the cue maker.
The thread was locked within 1 day which I do not know why till now.

i have to ask,what was missing?
 
deposits.............POOHEY!!!!

pay in full...........LUNACY!!!!

Deposits are understandable if the cue is highly custom or personalized, BUT, to pay in full is.......
 
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