Like To See 15 Ball Rotation On TAR

Black-Balled said:
20 balls? What are you, some kind of girly man?!!?
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Hey B-B,

I like your little pink dollhouses ;). Can I send my granddaughters over to your place to play dolls with you? I'll pack ALL of their Barbie & Ken dolls w/assessories :thumbup:!!!

Maniac (LOVES the GC though!!!)
 
Maniac said:
Hey B-B,

I like your little pink dollhouses ;). Can I send my granddaughters over to your place to play dolls with you? I'll pack ALL of their Barbie & Ken dolls w/assessories :thumbup:!!!

Maniac (LOVES the GC though!!!)
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Damn. I just called someone a girly-man too.
 
I practice 15 ball rotation in reverse, when in public...

Gerry said:
I used to go down to D&D and play a guy named Gel phillipino rules rotation. AWSOME game, and that is how i practice here at home. It makes all other rotation games seem like tiddlywinks.


BTW...practice your spot shots! ;)


G.
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Even if I run all 15 in rotation, nobody ever picks up on what I did ... they think I am just hitting balls without the skill needed to negotiate position around 15 balls. Every shot looks random.
 
If you asked 20 different players from 30 or more years ago what rules they played in their room you'd probably get 20 different answers. The rules for the rotation tables that were going all day and night were mostly dictated by the skill level of the players. Johnnyt
 
Ball in hand on any scratch or foul is a tough penalty that gives your opponent the chance to run the table. Makes you play defense as needed.
 
brandoncook26 said:
The way Efren and Busty played, combo's counted. If you shot a 3-11 combo, making the 11 would add that to your score and you continued on.

I didn't understand all of the rules. Kicking was different. You could hit a rail before the object ball and as long as you hit the correct OB, no ball had to touch a rail after.

Also, if you were hooked you could give up BIH behind the line and the OB would spot on the footspot.

There were more rules but they didn't go over them and those are the ones I could figure out based solely on observation.
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I've played a lot of Rotation in the Philippines and these are all the correct rules. You could slop in balls after hitting the lowest numbered object ball first. And you are playing the first one to score 61 points wins the game. It's a great game with more strategy than 9-Ball or Ten Ball and a lot tougher to run out. I've learned to like it over the last few years.
 
Anyone have the Filipino rules for Rotation? I think I saw a post a long time back about it, but it wasn't super clear. If I recall, they always rack the balls in a specific pattern. Really, what it comes down to is:

1. What is a good hit? Rail after contact?
2. What do you do on fouls?
3. Any special rules about safeties?

After we get that cleared up, I'm pretty sure it's standard to hit the lowest numbered ball and get to 61 points first!

Just saw the other thread on this and it had a good link to some posts about the rules: http://forum.bilyar.net/viewtopic.php?t=7575
 
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Don't read too much into the slop part of the rules. Good carom, combo, 3 cushion plalayers and kickers are deadly at this game. They play a lot of two and three way shots. NO JUMP CUES. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Don't read too much into the slop part of the rules. Good carom, combo, 3 cushion plalayers and kickers are deadly at this game. They play a lot of two and three way shots. NO JUMP CUES. Johnnyt
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Busty told me when they play rotation, if the cue ball comes off the cloth its a foul, and you wonder why they all kick so damn good.
 
Johnnyt said:
I think Busty pull your leg a bit. Johnnyt
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He actually isn't Johnnyt! The way they play in the PI is that u can't jump a ball and make the object ball directly. However u can jump a ball and as long as the cue ball hits a rail first before contacting the object ball, it is a good hit. I found this out the hard way.

So basically this takes away jump shots for the most part, unless you are a master at jump kicking!
 
FASTEJ said:
He actually isn't Johnnyt! The way they play in the PI is that u can't jump a ball and make the object ball directly. However u can jump a ball and as long as the cue ball hits a rail first before contacting the object ball, it is a good hit. I found this out the hard way.

So basically this takes away jump shots for the most part, unless you are a master at jump kicking!
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OK, that makes more sense to me. Just leaving the cloth didn't, as the CB leaves the cloth on almost every shot. Johnnyt
 
Seems to be enough intrest in seeing some rotation played by some top tier players to give it somemore thought. Weather those thar are interested buy ppv or not I don't know. I know I would. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I'd like to see Shane or one of the other US heavy hitters play Efnen or Busti or another top player from the PI. Either on the 9' or the 10' table. Race to 50 in 2 days. Would any one else like to see this? Johnnyt
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Yes I would like to see that.
 
Played about a dozen racks of 15 ball rotation on my bar box tonight and never came close to running out. I can only break at 20% right now as I've had a flare up of gouty arthrities, but even with a good break I can see a run out will be real tough. Now getting to 61 to win the game is a lot easier. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Played about a dozen racks of 15 ball rotation on my bar box tonight and never came close to running out. I can only break at 20% right now as I've had a flare up of gouty arthrities, but even with a good break I can see a run out will be real tough. Now getting to 61 to win the game is a lot easier. Johnnyt
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Play the one ball to the side pocket, like nine ball. You need to hit just slightly below center to keep the CB near the two at the foot of the table. Running out from the break is tough. Running out from the first open shot is in the 20% range. Pros undoubtedly can run out more often but it takes exceptional CB control for anyone.

The required cb control is so tough that it would be a great spectator game. Some of the defensive shots have to be spectacular. The ball in hand rule puts lots of tension into the game. If you give your opponent ball in hand he is likely to open up a big lead.
 
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Johnnyt said:
Played about a dozen racks of 15 ball rotation on my bar box tonight and never came close to running out. I can only break at 20% right now as I've had a flare up of gouty arthrities, but even with a good break I can see a run out will be real tough. Now getting to 61 to win the game is a lot easier. Johnnyt
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ON a bar box it has to be twice as hard. no thanks lol. I love the game on a big table
 
I'm going down to the pool room this weekend to drop off a ball cleaner and I m going to write down all the rules to "61"

Also when your turn is over you put your balls in the tray or ball holder, and the Phillipino guys always group them by "10's" to make it easier to keep count....also when you are on your last 2 balls the other guy will usually tell you. It took me a few time to get used to the rules, but it is worth it. There is MUCH more strategy with kicking and billiards/combos/spot shots, then our version of rotation.

I bet if we got into it here in the states.....it would take off like wildfire with the better players......just like one pocket.

G.
 
brandoncook26 said:
The way Efren and Busty played, combo's counted. If you shot a 3-11 combo, making the 11 would add that to your score and you continued on.

I didn't understand all of the rules. Kicking was different. You could hit a rail before the object ball and as long as you hit the correct OB, no ball had to touch a rail after.

Also, if you were hooked you could give up BIH behind the line and the OB would spot on the footspot.

There were more rules but they didn't go over them and those are the ones I could figure out based solely on observation.
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just want to correct this one..i play rotation when i was in Philippines.same rule as 9ball or 10ball.you have to hit the rail after touching the OB.
 
Gerry said:
I'm going down to the pool room this weekend to drop off a ball cleaner and I m going to write down all the rules to "61"

Also when your turn is over you put your balls in the tray or ball holder, and the Phillipino guys always group them by "10's" to make it easier to keep count....also when you are on your last 2 balls the other guy will usually tell you. It took me a few time to get used to the rules, but it is worth it. There is MUCH more strategy with kicking and billiards/combos/spot shots, then our version of rotation.

I bet if we got into it here in the states.....it would take off like wildfire with the better players......just like one pocket.

G.
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And if it took off in the US there would be a ton of better players quickly because of it. Johnnyt
 
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