JB Cases said:
just like you don't owe anyone anything i don't owe it to you to prove anything to anyone. i was posting my opinion. i don't watch your every move so i can later make sure to keep you up to date
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just like you don't owe anyone anything i don't owe it to you to prove anything to anyone. i was posting my opinion. i don't watch your every move so i can later make sure to keep you up to date
chin0 said:
most americans can't just pick up and leave until things get better. you're lucky
poolplayer2093 said:
I can't either, my parents gave everything they had and knew to move to the U.S. for me and my brother's education. My mother was a house wife and my dad was a very successful insurance salesman and when they moved to America, they both had to work manual labor jobs and still do to keep the food on the families table. My parent's dream is to move back to Hong Kong when they retire, that is my dream for now until I get my parents back to Hong Kong where they have a steady place to live and doesn't have to worry about living expense, that is when I will pursue my own dreams.
poolplayer2093 said:
You are seriously kidding right?
I can tell you that you will be right if everyone subscribes to your idea of protectionism and isolation.
The American dream is to see Vladimir move here from Russia and become a citizen and he turns his woodworking skills into a well respected cue business and Jeff down the street sees that more and more people are playing pool and decides to build a cue factory so he works with Vladamir for a while and learns how to make cues and after a while he goes off to start his cue factory. After a few years Bob, who is was born in Vietnam and brought to America as a ten year old sees that Jeff's cues are doing great and decides to sell cues too but he has no woodworking skills and no apprenticeship from Vladimir and so he decides to import them. Now there are three classes of cues available to hardworking Americans, Vladmir's old world handcrafted expensive ones, Jeff's well made factory ones made using Vladamir's lessons with modern manufacturing techniques, and Bob's lower quality but still decent imports. All three men pursuing the same dream in America.
Eventually their dreams may clash in the face of competition with one another but the beauty is that any one of them is FREE to readjust and go in whatever direction makes sense.
And the other Americans who are pursuing their dreams? They get to choose which cuemaker to give their money to based on whatever criteria they like to use, be it a quality/value ratio or even a patriotic/moral conviction. They are not told they MUST choose one or the other or forced to pay the highest price.
poolplayer2093 said:
So now you want employers to take responsibility for giving you a job? You want to limit the amount of profit a company can make? And yet you want to escape responsibility for your "opinion". Yes, voicing your "opinion" is always the easy way out.
I can say that so and so is a child molester and when they ask me to prove it I will just say it's just my opinion.
I mean you don't have to actually KNOW anything to have an OPINION on the subject. Facts are irrelevant. If Lou Dobbs is telling you that it's all China's fault then hey it must be true because he is on TV and everything they say is pure fact.
Well dude, I hope you don't mind when I refute your opinion with my experience. I used to have plenty of opinions as well and in the last twenty years they have changed quite a bit as I gain more and more experience in different parts of the world.
poolplayer2093 said:
It's called implication. When you complain about employers moving jobs then you imply that they somehow owe those jobs to whoever had them.
This article was found with about 20 second's of effort.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20794-2004Oct9?language=printer
Try not to make such sweeping generalizations. I love the principles that America was founded on and these were probably taken from largely from the Wampanoag Indians, and I disagree with the way America is going but not for the same reasons you do.
Another thing Ben Franklin, perhaps the United State's greatest citizen, said was, "those who trade liberty for security deserve neither".
JB Cases said:
i give up buddy you're right 100%. us guys here in america trying to support our country by buying american made products are foolish. from now on i'll only buy chinese products. with any luck i'll be laid off soon and my job can go to someone overseas. after reading your posts i think that would be for the best
you're right again. i hope they start laying expecting mothers off soon. they'll probably want paid time off to take care of their new born children. after all they're now owed anything. actually someone should do some research and find the cheapest labor costs in the world an then we could move as many US jobs as we can find thereJB Cases said:
poolplayer2093 said:
That's the ticket, play the Buy American card and you will get your brownie points.
Putting words in my mouth won't do you any good. I didn't call you foolish for stating that you prefer to buy American, I said that most of the points you made to support that statement are ignorant of the deeper issues and connections. Now it's my opinion that only a fool offers an opinion without facts to back him up. So if you feel foolish then that's probably why.
JB Cases said:
Get real man.
poolplayer2093 said:
This really is cheaper than school for you isn't it.
There is such a thing called contracts. When you undertake employment there are usually provisions as to how things are handled for pregnant employees. But hey you are really reaching the bottom of the barrel for emotional buttons so don't stop now.
For what it's worth though I am not all pro-employer. There needs to be a responsible and respectful balance. Business is not easy and when you take on employees then you do take some responsibility for their well being. At least I do. I don't see human beings as interchangeable parts. And I know that many employers feel the way I feel. Letting someone go is hard because you do know their story.
But anyway, enough for me. Nothing I say is going to change your mind. One thing every man has regardless of where they live is the right to their convictions no matter how right or wrong those convictions are.
JB Cases said:
What ever bro you be as condescending as you want it won't change anything.
according to you i can't have an opinion unless i have numerous facts to show people why i have it.
i prefer to buy american made products to support american companies. you prefer to sell chinese products to support yourself
poolplayer2093 said:
Wow, now that's a keeper.
I don't prefer to sell anything. I sell Chinese made cues because the company I work for sells them. My job in that company is to try and make sure that the quality of the cues stays good and gets better. If I worked for McDermott then I would be selling the cues based on their quality as well and NOT based on the fact that they are made in the USA.
According to me you CAN have an opinion without facts to back it up. No one is forcing you to be factual. You can spout any untruth, half-truth, or silly concept you want to and have zero legal obligation to back it up. Well sort of, you see you can't legally slander me or any other legal entity. Most people I know however try not to state opinions that they are unwilling or cannot back up.
But hey this is a forum, it's the internet, on the internet nobody knows you're a dog.......so be Mr. All American on your cheap Chinese made computer. Good thing that computers are relatively cheap or you might not be able to afford one that was made all in America. "You want the truth, you can't handle the truth, you need me on that wall....."
Or are you carrying on this debate from your employer's computers and using their resources and time?
JB Cases said:
an opinion is a personal view so facts aren't really the issue. i could say that in my opinion subway doesn't taste as good as quiznos and not have facts to back it up. that doesn't make my opinion wrong (because it's mine)
actually i work for a honda dealership and i am carrying on this debate (if you can call it that) on my employers comp
poolplayer2093 said:
You are right, in a matter of taste no opinion carries much more weight than any other. But you are confusing matters of taste with matters of fact. In matters of fact then you can't just get off easily by claiming it's just your opinion.
Try telling everyone that it's your opinion that Efren sucks as a player. If you do that they there will be plenty of folks using facts to prove you wrong. And in fact, your opinion would be wrong on that point.
You are just kidding about the Honda dealership I hope.
But even if it's true then it's cool, buying a Honda is Buying American http://www.ohio.honda.com/
poolplayer2093 said:
When I was last in the US (about 6 months ago) I noticed that gas costs less in the US than in Canada ... and the US, a net importer of oil, buys more oil from Canada than any other nation .... makes you want to say "hmmmmm...." .... or perhaps, if you are Canadian, "less taxes please".
On the protectionism front I was pleased to see that saner heads seem to be prevailing with the Senate agreeing to include a requirement that indicates international trade agreements cannot be violated as a result of the "Buy American" provision.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/04/obama-protectionism.html?ref=rss
I'm still going with the Schmelke write-in, built in rolling hills of Northwest Wisconsin no less ! Of course I play with a Canadian made Falcon and break with a Canadian made Dufferin :thumbup: ... I just started collecting a nice variety of sneaky petes and found Schmelkes to be lovely inexpensive cues and they are a GREAT company to deal with.
Dave
Sev said:
No.
Dale had some pretty nice "custom" 1/1 stuff once upon a time and charged accordingly.
He somehow decided to begin selling his own wares on ebay and bottomed out the market for his stuff.
Cues very similar to what I paid 800 for were going for dirt cheap and still are. Doesn't make the cue less playable, but it sure sucks to have been stuck that way. I keep mine out of principal...and because I can never recoup what I paid if I were to resell.
I have plenty of criticism for the government AND the military, but that doesnt mean I will not support America. there is no point arguing with you, because no matter how logical my argument is, its painfully obvious that you and I live in different worlds. I do find it funny that you are on here bragging about creating 18 jobs, that s freakin funny. how many jobs would be created if the majority of the operations were done here in the states? 100-200? also, exactly how many Marines do you know that feel the same way you do? Your "china isnt as commie as it used to be" argument is not convincing at all. I have never been to china, but I do have a cousin thats a big shot for a furniture company that moved all their jobs over there, and for a few years he was spending about 6 months out of each year over there. Maybe you are in a different are, but rest assured, those workers are flat out abused, mistreated, and grossly underpaid. I respect your right to have your own beliefs and opinions, but on this one my friend, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree. we live in different realities.