Many pool players to return to pool

sometimes I wonder

JAM said:
Tee-hee. :grin-square:

The new D.C. mayor used to be the head of the D.C. Council, so he's very much into the D.C. political scene.

D.C. has not been able to get representation in Congress for years. We pay taxes just like everybody else, but yet we have no representation. Every time a bill goes up, it gets shot down. Last time, I think it was a Representative from Texas who wouldn't agree to let D.C. have representation.

I am not sure if D.C. will get the online gambling, but if they do, it would improve things for our economy here.

The last mayor, I met him, and he seemed hands-on, even though he was younger than my daughter at that time, but there was some scuttlebutt about him and domestic violence as it pertains to his wife and how the police lady who came on the scene squashed it. She later became chief of police under his mayoral administration. ;)

And the mayor before that, well, everybody knows Marion Barry. :embarrassed2:

Speaking of which, I have about 4 more hours of work to do before I can even start to get my taxes done. Talk about procrastination. Sign me "Last-Minute JAM." :(

Taxation without representation in D.C., and I still gotta pay 'em.
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Louisiana is somewhat proudly known as the northernmost banana republic but sometimes I wonder when I read about other places. DC politics are ridiculous. I do agree that you should have representation, not that it helps much just the principle of the thing.

All is forgiven, I laughed out loud about "Last-Minute JAM". Around here I am not known as a pro crastionator but most acknowledge that I am the ranking amateur!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Louisiana is somewhat proudly known as the northernmost banana republic but sometimes I wonder when I read about other places. DC politics are ridiculous. I do agree that you should have representation, not that it helps much just the principle of the thing.

All is forgiven, I laughed out loud about "Last-Minute JAM". Around here I am not known as a pro crastionator but most acknowledge that I am the ranking amateur!

Hu
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Listen to this little nugget I just learned from a job I'm working on this morning.

Reagan used to say if you put thousand-dollar bills in your hand and stack them 4 inches high, you would have $1 million.

If you want to put thousand-dollar bills in your hand and see what a trillion looks like (our deficit), it would be at least 67 miles high. :shocked:

Uh, yeah, I think the Feds should legalize online gambling and get rid of our deficit. This is a no-brainer.
 
chefjeff said:
Don't take it personally....I speak to all voters when I use that term, SUCKER.

ANYONE who votes is a sucker....and the biggest part of the problem. THE problem is the concept of statism, per se. It is invalid, immoral, unworkable as you said, and is mean, rotten to the core and IT NEVER WORKS.
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Generally I agree with you that government is normally pretty messed up but not voting does diddly squat to fix anything. I vote, even if everything possible to vote for then voting for the lesser of the evils is better then not voting at all and getting in the worst of the options.

The biggest problem with government is what the top job pays. You cannot hire someone for the most important job in the world and offer only $400,000 a year with a few small bonuses and expect to get the best people in the country interested in taking the job. The smartest people in the country with the highest skill sets, intelligence, ability to manage and make proper decisions are CEO's of major companies making millions of dollars a year in salary and bonuses and most of them are not going to take the pay cut to become president and blow a gigantic amount of their net worth in the attempt to get the job that pays relative peanuts. Ross Perot was a fairly eccentric and ridiculously wealthy rarity worth billions so it did not matter what the job paid to him. But for most of the best candidates for the position who are worth mere millions it is a pretty huge shift and risk for very little payback.

There needs to be a major paradigm shift in the thinking about the job of president, it needs to get a raise of about 25 fold, forget $400,000 a year, pay the president, that single person $10,000,000 a year, it is litterly nothing in the grand scheme of things to give that single person a raise like that, the USA wastes more then that each year on wasted prints that go into the recycling bin no doubt. You need the BEST people to actually consider the job, and currently alot of the smartest people in the world are smart enough to avoid politics.

I actually know alot of rich people who are very successful in business and I know some politicians and guess what, the average intelligence of the people in business blows the politicians out of the water. The business people know how the world works, they know what makes things tick, the politicians live in a fairly tale world of theoretical musings that have no basis in the real world. The problem is those business people in no way want to risk what they have, their wealth and their secure future on the chance (no guarentee) to get a job that will amount to a huge paycut and then work with a bunch of people who as I said, have no clue how the world truly works.

The whole system is screwed up, we are NOT getting the best people attempting to take the most important jobs and if that does not change then the whole political system is going to keep on being a gongshow. When big business CEO's are more charismatic, more intelligent, more capable of critical thought then the leader of a country that country is in trouble. You NEED that leader to be able to go toe to toe with those CEO's and be on the same level as them intellectually and have the command of natural leadership to make sure they are doing things properly, and in many cases this is simply not the case. It will never be the case if the job looks like the most important job in the world with the joke paycheck.
 
Celtic said:
Generally I agree with you that government is normally pretty messed up but not voting does diddly squat to fix anything. I vote, even if everything possible to vote for then voting for the lesser of the evils is better then not voting at all and getting in the worst of the options.

The biggest problem with government is what the top job pays. You cannot hire someone for the most important job in the world and offer only $400,000 a year with a few small bonuses and expect to get the best people in the country interested in taking the job. The smartest people in the country with the highest skill sets, intelligence, ability to manage and make proper decisions are CEO's of major companies making millions of dollars a year in salary and bonuses and most of them are not going to take the pay cut to become president and blow a gigantic amount of their net worth in the attempt to get the job that pays relative peanuts. Ross Perot was a fairly eccentric and ridiculously wealthy rarity worth billions so it did not matter what the job paid to him. But for most of the best candidates for the position who are worth mere millions it is a pretty huge shift and risk for very little payback.

There needs to be a major paradigm shift in the thinking about the job of president, it needs to get a raise of about 25 fold, forget $400,000 a year, pay the president, that single person $10,000,000 a year, it is litterly nothing in the grand scheme of things to give that single person a raise like that, the USA wastes more then that each year on wasted prints that go into the recycling bin no doubt. You need the BEST people to actually consider the job, and currently alot of the smartest people in the world are smart enough to avoid politics.

I actually know alot of rich people who are very successful in business and I know some politicians and guess what, the average intelligence of the people in business blows the politicians out of the water. The business people know how the world works, they know what makes things tick, the politicians live in a fairly tale world of theoretical musings that have no basis in the real world. The problem is those business people in no way want to risk what they have, their wealth and their secure future on the chance (no guarentee) to get a job that will amount to a huge paycut and then work with a bunch of people who as I said, have no clue how the world truly works.

The whole system is screwed up, we are NOT getting the best people attempting to take the most important jobs and if that does not change then the whole political system is going to keep on being a gongshow. When big business CEO's are more charismatic, more intelligent, more capable of critical thought then the leader of a country that country is in trouble. You NEED that leader to be able to go toe to toe with those CEO's and be on the same level as them intellectually and have the command of natural leadership to make sure they are doing things properly, and in many cases this is simply not the case. It will never be the case if the job looks like the most important job in the world with the joke paycheck.
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Keep trying to tweak the biggest criminal institution in history...good luck with that utopian task....I'll keep trying to get you and others to stop supporting it as it harms me and those I love greatly.

Thank you for considering the anti-statism position.

Personia works without a leader, btw.

Jeff Livingston
 
Celtic said:
Errm, money laudering, bank fraud. Sounds like organized crime types of things, it is no surprise that poker sites might be a nice way for people to launder money and if the crime that is taking place to create that money "Prostitution, human trafficing, drugs" and the like are taking place in the USA they certainly not only have the right, but an obligation to deal with this.

Money that needs to be laundered is not normally coming from nice places, or are you totally cool with organized crime rings that deal in forcing children into prostitution and feel that no government should go after the illegally gained funds as a way to help stop the acts that create those funds?

Shutting down money laundering avenues is a very important aspect of dealing with organized crime.
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Are those the facts? Do you know? All I know is that the sites were shut down because on-line poker is illigal in the US. I don't know everything behind it, but based on the original post it looked more like a case of the US Government shutting it down becuase Americans were finding ways of circumventing the US banks in order to play.
 
I faught for this country, but the crooks in power from the small towns to the presidents have mis-managaged, stole, and sold us out to other counrties. If we need to go anywhere to fight for justice and human rights it would be to go to Washington and clean house. "Love it or leave it" doesn't have the same meaning anymore as there isn't much left to leave or love. Johnnyt
 
some things of minor interest

supergreenman said:
Are those the facts? Do you know? All I know is that the sites were shut down because on-line poker is illigal in the US. I don't know everything behind it, but based on the original post it looked more like a case of the US Government shutting it down becuase Americans were finding ways of circumventing the US banks in order to play.
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I think you will have a hard time proving that. The opinion that online poker is illegal is based on applying laws to poker that were passed before online poker existed. The 2006 law, according to what I have read and the parts of it I have actually read, does not address the legality of online gambling. What it does address is the transfer of ill gotten gains. So if online poker is illegal where you play then the transfer of funds from providing such an activity is illegal. I think the only state that specifically outlaws online poker is Washington. A few other states are sometimes mentioned but it appears that 90% or more of the states haven't addressed online poker and neither have the Fed's directly relying on applying older law that is questionable.

According to simulations of millions of hands, over a career a poker player's income is less than 2% due to chance. Few businesses can report less reliance on luck. that leaves a very strong argument that online poker is not gambling at all but a competition of skills. There are factors you can't control true, but the same is true about the stock market and other traders. It would be very easy to demonstrate that chance, factors you can't predict or control, plays a greater role in trading than poker.

Hu
 
All I know is that the sites were shut down because on-line poker is illigal in the US. I don't know everything behind it, but based on the original post it looked more like a case of the US Government shutting it down becuase Americans were finding ways of circumventing the US banks in order to play.[/QUOTE]


The original post did not indicate that the online poker sites were "shut down", and it also did not indicate that what was going on right now was because it was illegal for individuals in the U.S. to play online poker. What happened was that the U.S. Gov't blocked the ability of U.S. citizens to play on, withdraw from and deposit on the 2 major online poker sites ( Full Tilt and Pokerstars ) These sites are currently still running and providing games to much of the rest of the world. There were over 70,000 non- U.S. players playing real money on both sites last night. The most relevant law in play is the UIGEA (unlawful Internet Gaming Act) which says that it is illegal for United States financial institutions to do business with online gaming sites. The method the sites were using to process transactions was a violation of this legislation. As has been pointed out the legality of playing online poker in this country is unclear except for certain states that have specific laws against it. Otherwise it depends on interpertation of existing gambling laws and other laws such as interstate commerce legislation. The bottom line is that it seems the U.S. Govt has not deemed it practical to go after people for playing online poker. This is evidenced by the fact that they regularly accept income tax returns from professional online poker players and do not prosecute people even when it is 100% obvious that they play online poker. What I find interesting is that online sports betting, which is a much larger industry than online poker, is not nearly as rigorously attacked by the government. It seems far more clear that it is illegal to bet sports than it is to play poker. Online sports betting sites bring in astronomical amounts of revenue, and I would think process transactions that are similarly in violation of the UIGEA, but for some reason operate unscathed by the government. Could it be that the "right" people own and operate these sites? Perhaps this is why Bodog, which is both a sportsbook and an online poker room, is still offering online poker to Americans, and is able to process deposits and cashouts?
On another note If anyone is interested I would be willing to be a decent amount that in the near future we will see new online poker rooms that are permitted, regulated and properly taxed by the U.S. government. In fact It is my understanding that a great deal of the money behind the lobbyists against online poker comes from the large Vegas gaming entitys. I for one would be elated to see an online poker room run by like Harrahs or MGM Grand that is legal and properly taxed. I bet the games would be as good as they were back in the Party Poker days...
 
All I'll say is you never have to play a single hand at most of the sites, just wait until funds clear before you withdraw them. If you can't see how to launder some money on that fact alone.....................
 
interesting twist

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/antigua-response-1023790/

Absolute is based in Antigua and probably does their banking there. Antigua is backing Absolute Poker and says that the US is in violation of WTO agreements in inhibiting the commerce of the poker sites.

I don't know how this is going to play out but apparently Antigua plans to take the battle to the World Trade Organization.

Absolute is still letting US players participate. Seems they feel pretty solid with the country they are based in backing them.

Hu
 
mikeyfrost said:
All I'll say is you never have to play a single hand at most of the sites, just wait until funds clear before you withdraw them. If you can't see how to launder some money on that fact alone.....................
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I am pretty much positive that all sites require you to give money from a transfer or a deposit a certain amount of action before withdrawing. I am certain that this is the case on Pokerstars and Full tilt, in fact you see a thread almost daily on the popular poker forums where people are complaining that they are unable to cash out immediatly after recieving a player transfer. If you have a very strong history of legit deposits, withdrawals, and regular play then they may allow you to withdraw after a deposit, but not likely a transfer. In the one instance that I recall withdrawing after depositing when I did not give the deposit any action I had to have a discussion with their support explaining why I deposited but did not play, in that case I erroneously thought I was going to recieve a bonus on that deposit that I was in fact not eligible for. Usually you have to earn a certain number of player points before you can cash out any money received via deposit or transfer. Additionally if you tried to dump to one of your buddies at a heads-up table instead of transferring it is very very likely that you would be banned from the site,they have systems in place to detect this. An interesting side note: One time I was in Vegas at a somewhat smaller casino and saw a well dressed but somewhat unscrupulous dude come in kind of give the pit boss a nod, then proceed to bet like 40k on a hard 8 at the craps table. After losing the bet then he nodded at the pit boss again then calmly left. Hmmmmmmmmmm
 
supergreenman said:
This is rediculous, people from around the world used those sites. I really don't think it's the United States place to impose it's morals on the world.

Countries that live in Glass Houses Decorated by Vegas lights shouldn't throw stones.
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well its a good thing ur are neighbour and ride the fight to freedom on our shirt tails because god knows it would not take much to take that country over or has Quebec already done that



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There is so much wrong with your above statement One Stroke.

You know how much crap you guys got yourselves into in Afghan and Iraq.

Multiply that by 10 if you tried to put boots on the ground in Canuckville.

Besides, where would you get most of your precious oil, water and power from after?

But then, we're just a bunch of passive pussies up here, aren't we?

Riding the fight to freedom are we.
Seems to me our Peace Keeping force is sent into more dangerous zones in Afghanistan than you guys are.
We shouldn't even be in there fighting GB's private war anyway.
We've certainly stuck by your guys side longer than many other countries have at this point.
 
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Local TV news here interviewed a Portlnd, OR guy who said his $60,000 account with one of the sites had simply vanished. He assumes his money was confiscated by the feds.

I guess if you want to gamble, better head for a nearby Casino?
 
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supergreenman said:
Are those the facts? Do you know? All I know is that the sites were shut down because on-line poker is illigal in the US. I don't know everything behind it, but based on the original post it looked more like a case of the US Government shutting it down becuase Americans were finding ways of circumventing the US banks in order to play.
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THNKING IS NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!

This public service announcement has been brought to you by your local publick skools.

You're either with the children or against them.

Jeff Livingston
 
pwd72s said:
Local TV news here interviewed a Portlnd, OR guy who said his $60,000 account with one of the sites had simply vanished. He assumes his money was confiscated by the feds.

I guess if you want to gamble, better head for a nearby Casino?
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Ah....FINALLY someone found a real victim......a victim of......of.......a victim of......








......THE STATE, not the poker sites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyone waking up yet to THE problem here? anyone?


Jeff Livingston
 
Johnnyt said:
I faught for this country, but the crooks in power from the small towns to the presidents have mis-managaged, stole, and sold us out to other counrties. If we need to go anywhere to fight for justice and human rights it would be to go to Washington and clean house. "Love it or leave it" doesn't have the same meaning anymore as there isn't much left to leave or love. Johnnyt
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You think you fought for your country, the greatest country in the history of the world but you really fought for the US state, the greatest criminal gang in history.

The great country of America is not same thing as the criminal US Govt...not by a long shot. The country is where goodness lies, where love and peace exist and are built daily by free men and women; the state is where dishonesty, theft and murder occur as a matter of course.

Praise those who fight for the ideals of America, the country! Praise all those heroes and warriors! Death to tyrants!

Jeff Livingston
 
It appears as though the players will be able to start withdrawing money from their accounts.........


The U.S. government agreed Wednesday to allow PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker, two of the three largest Internet poker companies, to resume use of domain names that had been shut down last week.


Here is a link to the rest of the story........
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/20/technology/online_poker_players_accounts/

Great news!
 
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Let's see how many people learn from this.

Many times the Feds let sites go back to operating and then make an effort to log all activities and follow up with massive suits and arrests.

sizl said:
It appears as though the players will be able to start withdrawing money from their accounts.........


The U.S. government agreed Wednesday to allow PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker, two of the three largest Internet poker companies, to resume use of domain names that had been shut down last week.


Here is a link to the rest of the story........
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/20/technology/online_poker_players_accounts/

Great news!
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RobertR said:
If they are going to indict the guys at pokerstars it should be for my lost wages and emotional distress. :thumbup: I stopped counting the times my AA lost to Q7, or AK lost to AQ. Yeah, I gotta go there, once it cost me over $40K (final 5 of the $11/rebuys). My KK lost to A-3 when the final board read 333-7-3. Fixed, and obviously greedy, the only thing worse than poker sites is how fixed and greedy the US govt. is.
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That's FIVE 3's! I think you got your story a little bit confused. Maybe it wasn't even an A,3 you were up against. He flopped quads, so your Kings were dead to two running Kings. You have to work on your bad beat stories. This one failed!
 
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