Mika/Shane...the rack?

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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It was a great 10-ball match. Mika won 8-7. Does anyone know what Mika was talking to Shane about when the score was 4-2 Shane? Shane was racking for himself and Mika got up and walked to the table and looked like he was complaining about how Shane was rcking. Johnnyt
 
I saw that too. It didn't look too much like a complaint, possibly Mika was just helping?
 
Johnnyt said:
It was a great 10-ball match. Mika won 8-7. Does anyone know what Mika was talking to Shane about when the score was 4-2 Shane? Shane was racking for himself and Mika got up and walked to the table and looked like he was complaining about how Shane was rcking. Johnnyt
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Johnny, I believe it was the fact that on Shanes break, the 10ball always moved towards the corner, setting up a combo opportunity.

In 10 ball, a gap between the 10ball and one of the two balls behind it, tends to drive the 10ball towards the corner. I am pretty sure Mika complained about that. After that incident, the 10ball didnt move that much on the break, obviously the players checked for that gap..
 
pooladdict said:
Johnny, I believe it was the fact that on Shanes break, the 10ball always moved towards the corner, setting up a combo opportunity.

In 10 ball, a gap between the 10ball and one of the two balls behind it, tends to drive the 10ball towards the corner. I am pretty sure Mika complained about that. After that incident, the 10ball didnt move that much on the break, obviously the players checked for that gap..
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I don't play/attend many large tournaments. I have never been to a tournament where the "rack your own" format was in use. I have always thought that the format was so that there would be less complaining about racks so as to quicken the pace of the matches. If an opposing player complains about the way his opponent racks for himself, is the racking player by rule obligated to do what the opposing player asks him/her to do? Do they cater to the complainer as a "professional courtesy"? Can a referee/tournament director be brought in on this? As long as the ball that is supposed to be on the spot IS on the spot, isn't that a legal rack regardless if one or more of the balls in the rack are a little loose? I am not trying to be a smart-a$$, I am just uneducated on this subject. Someone please educate me!!!

Maniac
 
Maniac said:
I don't play/attend many large tournaments. I have never been to a tournament where the "rack your own" format was in use. I have always thought that the format was so that there would be less complaining about racks so as to quicken the pace of the matches. If an opposing player complains about the way his opponent racks for himself, is the racking player by rule obligated to do what the opposing player asks him/her to do? Do they cater to the complainer as a "professional courtesy"? Can a referee/tournament director be brought in on this? As long as the ball that is supposed to be on the spot IS on the spot, isn't that a legal rack regardless if one or more of the balls in the rack are a little loose? I am not trying to be a smart-a$$, I am just uneducated on this subject. Someone please educate me!!!

Maniac
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In every tournament where they have rack your own that I have played the opponent has the right to check the rack, if balls are loose or the rack isn't positioned properly he has the right to have you re-rack the balls. If you can't come to an agreement the tournament director settles the argument.

Also in the tournaments and gambling matches I have been involved in you don't win if the ten ball goes in the back two pockets on the break.
 
TheMarsMan said:
In every tournament where they have rack your own that I have played the opponent has the right to check the rack, if balls are loose or the rack isn't positioned properly he has the right to have you re-rack the balls. If you can't come to an agreement the tournament director settles the argument.

Also in the tournaments and gambling matches I have been involved in you don't win if the ten ball goes in the back two pockets on the break.
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He was not talking about making it on the break. He was saying the 10 was rolling CLOSE to the corner pocket and setting up an east combo on it. On a good tight rack the 10 won't move much more than 6" from the rack unless it gets kissed. Johnnyt
 
I played on those same tables at Corner Pocket, and they are TOUGH to get a tight rack on.

The thread I started about losing a heart breaker, the 10-ball SHOT out of the rack twice in a row to cost me a 5-2 win, and handed me a 5-4 loss and ticket out of the qualifier.
 
I didn't watch the match so this may not apply to this situation. In the Reno Bar Box Championships this year there was one match that had a player racking and consistently always putting the two-ball in the upper left ball above the nine. He was making the one on the break and the two ball would always end up around the same location so he would have a consistent shot on the two and easier opportunity to run out. His opponent complained and an arguement insued. But the rack is supposed to be random..no "pattern-racking" other than the one and nine ball. Someone called this same situation on SVB in that tourney as well.
 
UWPoolGod1 said:
I didn't watch the match so this may not apply to this situation. In the Reno Bar Box Championships this year there was one match that had a player racking and consistently always putting the two-ball in the upper left ball above the nine. He was making the one on the break and the two ball would always end up around the same location so he would have a consistent shot on the two and easier opportunity to run out. His opponent complained and an arguement insued. But the rack is supposed to be random..no "pattern-racking" other than the one and nine ball. Someone called this same situation on SVB in that tourney as well.
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OK, thank you. Johnnyt
 
Yes the tables were hard to rack on, the racks were of the plastic variety and so it was difficult to get a good rack even though the cloth was very new. The tables also rolled out quite a bit, I was told that they "had time to refelt the tables but didn't have time to level them". WTF?

They weren't playing on them 24/7 and there were multiple tables with 5-6" rolls, we asked to switch tables when my lag crossed the center diamond which is a huge discrepancy. I may not be able to hit the center of the ball ALL the time but that's why we tested it a few times and agreed that the table was very off kilter so we asked and were allowed to play on a different one.
 
BVal said:
The same can be said for racking someone else's.

BVal
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Thanks for turning me on to Joe Tuckers "Racking Secrets". You CAN teach an old dog new tricks. It is worth the money and more to me just for the 9-ball and 10-bal. And yes it works on a bar table. Johnnyt
 
Rack your own simply allows for every player to ensure themselves a tight rack and makes it so no one else is responsible if it's not tight. Pattern racking or rack rigging is cheating period, whether you are racking for yourself or your opponent.

Rack your own is not a license to violate the rules.

I'm constantly surprised there is even a difference of opinion on this.
 
I don't see anything wrong with pattern racking.

Slug racking, leaving spaces intentionally, when racking for another player is cheating but putting the balls in an order that you believe will benefit in an effort to run out is not cheating.
 
> As long as you are giving your opponent a fair,tight rack,racking them in an order that makes it harder for him to run out just MAKES SENSE.

In the room I play in,you have to rack the balls in a certain order to even get them to freeze. To my opponents though,it doesn't seem to matter,none of them are astute to such things.

Unless I'm giving weight,I always rack the balls in the same order,regardless of the table,unless there are anomalies with the rack or balls. Not one player has ever accused me of giving a bad rack,or complained that they were always in the same order. All they notice is it's harder to run out :thumbup:. Tommy D.
 
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