Morris vs Bartam for 20K, who do you like?

CreeDo said:
I gotta admit I don't quite get this. So ten on the snap does not count if it's done with a controlled break that uses knowledge of the rack and a little skill to send the 10 into the foot pockets... but it DOES count if it's kicked in by shit luck to the other pockets?! Why not just forget about 10 on the break entirely if the goal is to make things fair?

PS. Don't take it the wrong way, I love TAR ten ball matches :) I just feel like I must be missing something on this.
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Because that is the way both guys agreed to play. I don't make the rules. I just take yes for an answer.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
As most people know the better the players the less the weight means. It appears on the surface its alot of weight but both of these players play at a world class level and will runout from the 5 most of the time. The weight will mean the most on combinations and caroms only.

I personally don't think Bartam would be a big underdog playing even. The thing I like about Bartam is that he as alot of balls and fears no one. I will take Bartam with the spot.
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couldn't really put it better...the weight just doesnt seem like alot when you have two guys as good as them that are going to finish the majority of the time. IMO the spot would mean more if they just plain money balls that chris could send flying around off the break, but the whole call 8/9/10 I don't think would come into play as much considering both of them would finish once they get to the last 3 the big majority of the time - spot or no spot.
 
CrisDeLaGarza said:
Rodney is a very strong player and maybe Chris doesn't have a HUGE 10-ball break (I really don't know) but I DO know that Chris knows A LOT about the rack and just knowing which balls you need frozen to make certain balls in certain pockets will get you very far in a 10-ball break.
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And that is what I really dislike about the whole racking-issue. Both players should try their best to make sure that ALL balls are frozen, no matter if it is rack your own or not.

But maybe it's just me...
 
CreeDo said:
So ten on the snap does not count if it's done with a controlled break that uses knowledge of the rack and a little skill to send the 10 into the foot pockets
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Seriously? The main skill it takes to make the 10 in the bottom 2 pockets is knowing how to give yourself a rack that is loose in the back (and most would say is cheating), the 10-ball flies out down there pretty easily.

It takes a lot more skill to get a solid enough break to get the 10-ball really moving with a "good" rack.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
And that is what I really dislike about the whole racking-issue. Both players should try their best to make sure that ALL balls are frozen, no matter if it is rack your own or not.

But maybe it's just me...
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I agree...unfortunately it seems to be a huge issue in a lot of matches.
 
CrisDeLaGarza said:
Seriously? The main skill it takes to make the 10 in the bottom 2 pockets is knowing how to give yourself a rack that is loose in the back (and most would say is cheating), the 10-ball flies out down there pretty easily.

It takes a lot more skill to get a solid enough break to get the 10-ball really moving with a "good" rack.
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Agreed. I think it's a good rule, and would personally like to see it implemented in 9-ball as well. There will always be a certain amount of luck in the game regardless of what rules you put in place, but a rule that prevents someone from exploiting a problem in the rack is, IMO, a good thing. Ideally there would be no gaps for a gap scientist to exploit in the first place.

Aaron
 
Cb

I like the "real bartram" in this match.

To me, Chris represents everything i like about "real pool"....cash games.


Karate-
 
CreeDo said:
I gotta admit I don't quite get this. So ten on the snap does not count if it's done with a controlled break that uses knowledge of the rack and a little skill to send the 10 into the foot pockets... but it DOES count if it's kicked in by shit luck to the other pockets?! Why not just forget about 10 on the break entirely if the goal is to make things fair?

PS. Don't take it the wrong way, I love TAR ten ball matches :) I just feel like I must be missing something on this.
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At the Ten Ball Championship at Super Billiards Expo at Valley Forge, making the ten ball on the break you simply spotted it back up and kept shooting......no win if the ten fell in any pocket on the break.

JoeyA
 
I dont have a gambling calculator or anything but playing 10 ball neutralizes the break, thats worth a ball. Add the called 8 and 9 thats a couple balls.

I feel like if you ask any strong 9 ball player what the equivalent spot would be he would come up with something around the 6 ball or the 6 and last ??, my point is, it's a ton of weight. Sure Rodney will get out but think about how much more often Chris will get out.

I think Chris is about a ball and a half favorite in this game whereas if the were playing even he's probably a ball and a half underdog. Certainly not stealing but bet your ass Rodney is gonna have to play head and shoulders over Chris to win this match.
 
For some reason the call 8/9 doesn't show up that much. I don't think it's much of a spot, but i also think that rodney isnt that much better than chris.

As far as the break goes... If rodney breaks 10 ball how he did in the seminole tour then I don't think he is gonna out break chris. Probably be even. I wish I could be there and bet on this!
 
donny mills said:
For some reason the call 8/9 doesn't show up that much. I don't think it's much of a spot, but i also think that rodney isnt that much better than chris.

As far as the break goes... If rodney breaks 10 ball how he did in the seminole tour then I don't think he is gonna out break chris. Probably be even. I wish I could be there and bet on this!
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Ill be there, and for a small jelly if you win, you can send your bet with me and ill get it down for you. Let me know
 
Bartrum matches up extremely well despite what he does in tournaments. Even with the three money balls for bartrum I like Morris. If the match goes long and they play straight through it might come down to who plays better tired.
 
mikeyfrost said:
I dont have a gambling calculator or anything but playing 10 ball neutralizes the break, thats worth a ball. Add the called 8 and 9 thats a couple balls.

I feel like if you ask any strong 9 ball player what the equivalent spot would be he would come up with something around the 6 ball or the 6 and last ??, my point is, it's a ton of weight. Sure Rodney will get out but think about how much more often Chris will get out.

I think Chris is about a ball and a half favorite in this game whereas if the were playing even he's probably a ball and a half underdog. Certainly not stealing but bet your ass Rodney is gonna have to play head and shoulders over Chris to win this match.
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8/9 ball and a half favorite, playing even he's a ball and a half under dog. lol!
 
Bartram and Morris

mnorwood said:
Bartrum matches up extremely well despite what he does in tournaments. Even with the three money balls for bartrum I like Morris. If the match goes long and they play straight through it might come down to who plays better tired.
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SEE THE MATCH ON WWW.THEACTIONREPORT.COM

Bartram is a grinder of extreme proportions.

Rodney possesses phenomenal natural talent.

A key factor in one of them losing will be if one of them accidentally or on purpose, copies the other player's style and rhythm. That could be the kiss of death for either of them.

I like both players for their competive drive, talent and what this match will do for their respective games. It will be a great match to watch on www.theactionreport.com

My $.02

JoeyA
 
jungledude said:
Before Rodney went on his three yr. vacation he gave Tony Watson the six and destroyed him. Don't be surprised if he can give this weight to Bartrum who is an excellent money player, but can he stop Rodney's monster break ?
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BOth these guys have been up and down the pike enough to get it done. Rodney is one hell of a player, we all know that. Chris plays well, but more impotantly, he one stubborn SOB. He just doesn't ever quit and I surely love that in a pool player. It makes up for a lot.

No mayrt who is putting up the cash for either player, it is enough to keep them focused and I doubt that comes into play here. Both have done this a long time now and realize they better be concerned about how they play vs. the money.

I feel it is a 6-5 pickem.
 
real bartram said:
yes i played good.
got a few good roles.
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We always do when we win, or so they say. You put em down though and played real real well. The only ball I remember you missing was on that one miscue.

You seemed to enjoy that Diamomond table a lot.

Good luck and kick his butt.
 
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