"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MahnaMahna again."
If you would quit making sense I wouldn't have the problem above.....
My Thoughts on Earl and TAR 22
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MahnaMahna again."
If you would quit making sense I wouldn't have the problem above.....
Greg, I think you need to buy a new scale homey :grin:
I was sweet talking (no homo)
Sent from my phone. Lucky you, you get the abbreviated version.
Lisa,
Just as a note of encouragment, we all want Earl to do well. We all see the greatness and want him to prosper. Like you, we just want him to act like the champion and hall of famer he is. Our frustration is just like yours. In that sense, we are the same.
I know you'll agree It's impossible to defend his current behavior. Maybe the best defense would be to tell us about the sweet man who you once loved.
Chris
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Jay has talked to Earl and gotten him to behave more than once during a tournament. I also saw an upset Charlie Bryant tell Earl at the USO he was disturbing everyone in the arena and to cut it out and Earl did for the rest of that match.
Earl was paid $1000 in cash at the end of TAR 22. I have his signature on a receipt if you would like to see it. He also was staked 60/40 his way in the $5000 set. This means if he doesnt just quit at 65-65 he could of won an extra $3000. With no risk of any money of his own.
If he came home with $500 its because he spent the other $500 I gave him on weed. Earl had no expenses at all except the food he ate and one cab ride to the airport. I paid for his airfare. I paid for his hotel.I picked him up from the airport. I let him borrow $40 when he got off the plane because he decided to travel across the country with no cash at all. I drove him to a pool room to look for someone to sell him a bag of weed because that was all he cared about as soon as he hit the ground.
The whole experience with Earl has pushed me all the way over the edge with so called pro players who can't tie their own shoes without someone there to help them. Earl was hired to do a job. He did it terribly. He b!tched nonstop for four days and it was overall a miserable experience for anyone who had to endure it all.
As for "dutch" dinner I have no idea what you are talking about. After four days with Earl you could not of paid me to have dinner with him let alone get me to pay for his.
I have always went out of my way to help players but I'm done with all that now. I will go above and beyond for those players who have a work ethic and understand the fact they are selling a product and carry themselves as such. Any player who thinks he should just get paid because he can run a few balls can starve as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the better so they stop spreading their poison.
As for comparing pool to golf...just stop.
The more I think about this weekend the madder I get. I get mad because I think of how hard a lot of people worked to do the event, how much money was risked to do it and how many people took time out to be a part of it. None of that matters to Earl. If he would of made $50,000 this weekend it wouldn't have been enough. Just one more reason I am glad I will never have to go through it again.
You're not the only one who could write a book.
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first Lisa, let me say I am not part of the rabid mob that "hates" Earl. I am in Group 5 of this post. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3340489&postcount=132
Additionally, I hope that you plan to try and get thru to Earl and help him out Maybe a few of my points can help you with that. First though, let me address a few things first that is getting me a little fired up.
After reading your post, I feel like I'm still watching certain aspects of the match which supposedly ended on Sunday. Not anything to do with the cuestick and putting balls in the hole part, but the other part. The are 2 equal parts of what someone might say they remember if someone asked them about Earl. 1 part would be the incredible shots he shot, the great leaves, the speed in which he got to playing and the other equal part would be all the whining. Reading your post, there's some serious whining going on.
First, let me say I do not speak for TAR, I'm simply repeating things that have been publically stated before and also my opinion.
Earl does not play professional golf. He plays pool. Comparing pool and Golf or pretty much any other sport or game, has no relevance whatsoever. That subject has been discussed daily here for years, everyone knows pool doesn't pay much. We would all like that to change. It isn't going to happen tomorrow or next week. We all know the history of pool and money. A person can get all wound up about it everyday if they wish, but instead of whining about it, spend your time doing something constructive to change it.
Earl does not have a steady full time normal job. He plays pool. Therefore he is basically self-employed. His business, I would imagine, would be using his skill on the pool table to make money and to use his past and current accomplishments as his resume and for marketing purposes. I would imagine he has several ways to earn income. Playing in tournaments, maybe some gambling matches, maybe some exhibitions, maybe lending his name or likeness in various ways.. who knows.. probably hundreds of ways to do this. Everyone else has little gigs or ideas to earn income thru pool.
Anyways.. I would imagine TAR and Earl had a conversation at some point where they came to agreement of him coming to the TAR studio to play a match with SVB. From info provided by Justin, it sounded like he got a pretty sweet deal, based upon past TAR matches. He made a guaranteed appearence fee for participating in the agreed match with SVB, he had a sweet deal with a backer where he got 60/40 and I'm pretty sure he got airflight and motel which is standard.
I'm pretty sure Earl and Justin had some back and forth negoiations and one could gather that they eventually came to a agreement. One would also think that there was something signed which Earl agreed to everything and Justin agreed to everything.
So I'm not sure what you're saying here... are you / Earl saying that Earl got stiffed by TAR? Or are you/Earl saying you got screwed/sqeezed by TAR? Or are you/Earl saying you're unhappy with the agreement that he signed?
Certainly the loser of the match is not going to come home in a limo and balloons and champagne. Let's not forget there was 5 grand wagered and one person took all 10 grand of it home with them. So let's see.. Earl had a chance to win 60% of 5,000 if he won, and he owed 0 if he lost. He got paid money for just showing up to try and win the 5 grand. He got put up for 4 nights or more at TAR's expense.
I'm not sure what his beef is? Did he not agree to a contract? Did TAR not fulfill that contract? Did someone stiff him?
Or is this all about how he feels he should get more money to do things because he's the greatest pool player the world has ever seen?
He's self employed. Some times you get lucrative gigs, sometimes you get gigs that just put food on the table, sometimes you take a gig that doesn't pay much because it might open up other opportunities, sometimes you take gigs to help a brother out, sometimes you take gigs for exposure... etc...... Bottom line is, Earl is in charge of what gigs he takes and which ones he passes on. It's his decision. I feel it is in very bad taste to agree to a gig, then bash the person that gave it to you, even though they fulfilled their end of the bargain.
TAR is thousands and thousands of dollars in the hole before a ball is ever hit on the table. Let's say hypothetically you paid out $15,000 to get 2 people to come to your studio to play a pool match. You paid the players to just show up, you paid their expenses to get there, you paid some commentators to show up and their expenses, you paid some cameramen to show up and their expenses and all the other things asocciated with putting on a match. Now your 15k in the hole before it even starts. Your only hope is to attract a sponsor or two that can chip in a little, maybe sell a few seats in the studio and the rest has to come from people buying your stream.
You talk about what it must feel like to be shi1tting bricks because you have absolutely no clue how many people are going to buy the PPV. You do know the economy has tightened up everyone's wallets. That my friend, is what they call gambling.
Oh, you want more? Ok.. how about there is some technical snaffu that ends up allowing you to not even stream it. Well, you refund everyone's money and now your on the hook for everything with NO chance to make anything back. Or what happens if one of the players flake out and walks off mid match? Once again.. start hitting that refund button again. Sorry TAR.. no refunds for you though.. those hotels and airfares are already bought, everyone has already been paid.
Enough of that crap though.. bottom line is.. Earl agreed to do the match and I"m sure TAR honored the agreement. So what's there to ***** about? Did Earl give up some high paying gig to go do this? Or would he have been setting home twiddling his thumbs?
One last thing Lisa... I say this because you say you are close to him and that you want to help him. I really hope you do. I hope you can cut thru all the BS and lay it on the line.
Spend several hours reading all the threads on here. What you will find are people are fed up with him treating people like crap. They're tired of his disrespect to other players and fans and everyone else. Read how some of his most biggest fans, are SICK OF IT! Spiderweb was doing everything but give Earl a "finish"
, the other night in the chat. He's a huge fan. But even Spider knows that Earl has to STOP THIS CRAP.Earl can be angry all he wants, he can wish he played a different sport, he can wish that everywhere he went there were screaming fans.. whatever. IT IS WHAT IT IS. None of those things give him the right to treat other people the way he does.
Many of those people that he sh1ts on, are people that are trying to help him. They're people that like him, that want to see him do good and be happy. But he sh1ts on them and disrespects them. All those fans he used to have.. they're dwindling rapidly. Earl is turning his own fans off.
He needs some help. He needs some counseling. He needs people to slam him up side the wall and TELL HIM what's going down. He doesn't need enablers or people to agree with all of his ranting. He needs someone to CUT THRU the HAZE and WAKE his A$$ UP to reality.
Like I say.. read those threads.. toss out the idiots that just hate, but read all the ones that are rooting for him, all the ones that really care that he gets better. Ask yourself, how bad must it be, when even his most loyal of fans are turning on him.
Don't feed his paranoia that everyone is out to get him. WAKE HIM UP! Dont' nod you head and say, Oh, I know Earl.. It's so wrong. NO.. FORGET ALL THAT CRAP.. focus on him understanding one basic concept.
If you treat people like crap and disrespect them, they will not want anything to do with you.
Are all these people wrong Lisa? Your friends that are pleading with you to wake up because you can't possibly help him, if you're under the spell yourself.
I'm not a Dr, but I play one one on pool forums.
Good luck Lisa and I am 100% sincere when I say I really hope someone cares enough about Earl and that Earl cares enough about Earl, to turn this train around before it goes off the tracks for good.
(all words and thoughts, perceived real or not, are copyright "CaliRed"©)
He is one classy guy.
Let Earl put you through what he put me through and see if you give a sh!t about lines. We get what we put up with and for decades people have been giving Earl a pass because he plays great. I'm over it.
I'm sorry for the post above. A scraggly homeless man, just burst in on me, held a plastic fork to my neck and a broken Ole English 800 bottle to my "junk" and forced me to write all that. I told the lunatic that I don't normally write more then one sentence replies and that someone would surely notice and call the authorities to check on my well being.
He did not buy it and he pushed the submit button, not me. While I agree with everything I was forced to write, as my past posts have a history of showing, I would have said it in a lot less words.
So I apologize, I'm going to go change my shorts now
He did not buy it and he pushed the submit button, not me. While I agree with everything I was forced to write, as my past posts have a history of showing, I would have said it in a lot less words.
So I apologize, I'm going to go change my shorts now
Tap Tap....
Justin,
You are lucky in one way, you get the chance to wash the bad taste out of your mouth from all that crap, with a matchup this weekend with Oscar and Raj.
You can relax and enjoy pool on that one
From the king of keepin it real, excellent post!
As a wise man once quoted me---- "Sometimes you just have to throw a piece of chalk, ya know...."
Justin,
You are lucky in one way, you get the chance to wash the bad taste out of your mouth from all that crap, with a matchup this weekend with Oscar and Raj.
You can relax and enjoy pool on that one
You are absolutely right. Dealing with those two have been a pleasure and I know that this weekend the show will be on the pool table not in the chair or with the spectators.
I have to quit reading this thread, the more I think about last weekend the more worked up I get. I haven't been this pissed about something in a long time.
I understand your point.....I just disagree about the extent.
Legitimate business criticism is fine and warranted.
But crossing the line into publicly tearing down Earl as a person it not. Hell, that line hasn't only been crossed, it's been destroyed. That is just plain wrong. And on top of that it's not helping anything.
I'd like to think you understand what I'm saying.
Good points UGot. I can see you are a people person. Thats a good trait.
Justin has just got the Tar Studio going. What was this one, the third match in the studio?
Now sit back and envision yourself in Justin's shoes this past weekend.
Everything he said in his last post was true, no lies. Just telling it the way he feels.
Look at all the work that has gone into building the dream. The Tar Studio.
Does one person have the right to tear it all down in one fell swoop. Thats the way Justin is feeling about it right now.
Or something like it.
Justin has just got the Tar Studio going. What was this one, the third match in the studio?
Now sit back and envision yourself in Justin's shoes this past weekend.
Everything he said in his last post was true, no lies. Just telling it the way he feels.
Look at all the work that has gone into building the dream. The Tar Studio.
Does one person have the right to tear it all down in one fell swoop. Thats the way Justin is feeling about it right now.
Or something like it.
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I felt bad for Shane, the TAR crew and the spectators for having to put up with Earl.
I bought TAR because I have a financial interest in the outcome of the match, not to care how Earl acts.
Edit: Justin (and possibly Mark Griffin) is going through hoops to put these matches on. So long as they continue to have these matches, I am going to continue to support it as much as possible.
I bought TAR because I have a financial interest in the outcome of the match, not to care how Earl acts.
Edit: Justin (and possibly Mark Griffin) is going through hoops to put these matches on. So long as they continue to have these matches, I am going to continue to support it as much as possible.
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To clarify - my posts aren't really aimed at Justin....they're for everybody. Justin is a true credit to the world of pool and I think we all feel his pain. But Earl is Earl and we all know what he brings to the table. And by all means he is worthy of valid criticism he brings upon himself by his actions. But come on....this has gone way beyond that. This is a feeding frenzy of the most unseemly kind. I really think everybody should just step back and let things die down....things said in the heat of the moment rarely end up well.
If the "heat of the moment" has been going on for years and years, at what point is it OK to finally say f*ck it, let's try and give this guy what he deserves?
Being great at something doesn't make it OK to be an ass.