NO Match for Harriman/Schmidt

Wow aren't you supposed to be promoting the game and matches for PPV/ good exposure with John wearing the str8shots gear on a widely broadcasted match,

Poor, poor show.
 
It has been brought to our attention that there are multiple threads about a possible Schmidt /Harriman match. We know Mark Cantrill started working on this match a couple of days ago and that he has spoken to both players. We were informed last night by Mark Cantrill that both players had agreed verbally with him to do the match. We were told a few hours ago that TAR came in and also made an offer to host the Schmidt /Harriman match.

When Mark Cantrill set about putting this match together, he really had no idea that the level of hostility that existed between the two players was so intense. It did not become apparent until late yesterday afternoon. At that time that he contacted us and shared what he had learned.

Marc and I spent several hours last night and again this afternoon discussing this match. A few minutes ago we had a conference call with both Mark Cantrill and John Schmidt. During that conversation we explained to John Schmidt, who is a Str8 Shots signed player that we did not feel this match was in line with the direction that Str8 Shots intends to take the players, the team, or the company. We understand why this match is such a hot topic and why it would be an exceptional PPV event. The reasons that make this match so attractive to those that would buy it, are the very reasons we feel it is not in John’s best interest.

We chose several professional players to be a part of team Str8 Shots because they are all great people. Every one of them has a contract with us. In that contract it states that they will get permission from Str8 Shots management before engaging in activities, or aligning themselves, with individuals or activities that could be potentially harmful to their images, the company’s image, or the industry’s image.

When we plan matches, we have a purpose for them above and beyond providing the players with opportunities to test their skills or generate some additional income. Our opinion is that this match only serves to create additional animosity between these players and that is not what we want for any player; whether they are associated with this company or not.

We understand that both offers made to the men provided them with the potential to make several thousand dollars. We are also aware that the money to be made off of this PPV match by Str8 Shots or TAR could be quite substantial. That being said, we have asked John Schmidt NOT to do this match. John Schmidt will be compensated by Str8 Shots for the potential loss of income. He has generously offered to donate a portion of those monies to the Str8 Shots Juniors program.

Thank you for your time. I hope you all have a wonderful evening.

Kimberly Griffiths
(877)921 -9511 ext. 121
kimberly@str8-shots.com
www.str8-shots.com

That's a pretty stringent contract you have there. The players MUST get your permission before engaging in any "outside" activities. You have effectively put a collar on these players, not only for money matches, but you can stop them from doing exhibitions if you don't feel it's appropriate etc. I'm not sure these players realize what they have signed with you. It wouldn't surprise me either.

On the one hand you acknowledge that this match might be highly marketable and attractive to a wide audience of pool fans (that is your business, isn't it - POOL!). And in the next breath you state this is exactly why you don't think John should play. I'm more than a little confused by this, as I'm sure so many others are as well. Most companies when given an opportunity to enhance their brand are only too anxious to do so. It would appear to be a lost opportunity for str8-shots to become a lot more high profile than they already are. If you were smart Kimberly you would take advantage of this opportunity and find a way to make it work for you and str8-shots. I can see many ways in which it could enhance your goal of helping Junior players.

Of course it's your money to spend and you can keep on doing what you're doing and see how it turns out for you.
 
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John was all set to play until he was told he couldn't.

That kind of thing used to happen to me all the time WHEN I WAS 12. I'm sure John was told they were looking out for his best interests. Difference is, when my parents told me "it was for my own good" they really meant it.

Good luck to John, maybe next year he'll be able to pick his own games and everything.

Kevin
 
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Lee...I hope you're not suggesting that you're the only qualified person to teach anybody...let alone junior players...the proper fundamentals. We already have one guy here promoting the "my way is the ONLY correct way" philosophy. Randy and I have been teaching "proper" fundamentals since before you were in diapers. :rolleyes: :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Lee teaches players to shoot whilst bent over, not stood up.
 
You know more than I do about them so I will defer to you on this one. I do agree that the charity game can be a lucrative one. Seen it first hand in other industries. I have no idea how they make their money or where to see any public records. Its just been my experience that when entities come in splashing around they usually don't last very long. Maybe they are different.

More power to them on the Junior thing. If they want to compete in my area of the industry I'm cool with that but I will compete and call them on moves when they pull them.

I know in the past we passed on using the United Way because they take 50% of the monies for their administration fees and then donate to the rest to the cause or charity!!
 
So do we, Tim. Once again, you show your true colors! :rolleyes: How high or low someone stands over their cuestick is personal preference, and based on how the individual "sees" the shot, as well as physical limitations a player might have. Forcing someone who has back or neck issues to bend over low is the wrong approach. Once again, Tim...THERE IS NO ONE CORRECT STANCE FOR EVERYONE! Sheesh...sometimes you're so thick!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Lee teaches players to shoot whilst bent over, not stood up.
 
I guess I'm in the minority on this but I kind of like what I saw here...
Someone who is genuinely concerned with the image of their players,
making a mature decision to keep them out of a situation that might embarrass
everyone involved. Naturally AZ gave her a raft of shit for that.

I know there's a 99% chance the match would have gone smoothly.
But the 1% comes from comments like Harriman saying he'd flat out pay John $1,000
(not bet, pay) to get in the ring for 10 rounds of boxing. Or that he'd love to bet 10k
on any sort of combat challenge "where nobody can call the cops and save your ass".

This Kim person actually does a pretty good professional press release, and like like a lot of
intelligent PR people does not get baited into no-win arguments with people who want to
yell and cry and hurl insults. Bonus Ball should make her an offer to do their PR.

Sure, I'm disappointed at the loss of a potential good match, but there are plenty of great
streams in pool to watch, one of them in just 5 short days.
 
I guess I'm in the minority on this but I kind of like what I saw here...
Someone who is genuinely concerned with the image of their players,
making a mature decision to keep them out of a situation that might embarrass
everyone involved. Naturally AZ gave her a raft of shit for that.

I know there's a 99% chance the match would have gone smoothly.
But the 1% comes from comments like Harriman saying he'd flat out pay John $1,000
(not bet, pay) to get in the ring for 10 rounds of boxing. Or that he'd love to bet 10k
on any sort of combat challenge "where nobody can call the cops and save your ass".

This Kim person actually does a pretty good professional press release, and like like a lot of
intelligent PR people does not get baited into no-win arguments with people who want to
yell and cry and hurl insults. Bonus Ball should make her an offer to do their PR.

Sure, I'm disappointed at the loss of a potential good match, but there are plenty of great
streams in pool to watch, one of them in just 5 short days.

Don't know how you can tell it's genuine on the net. Why would she mention TAR at all, if all she was worried about was her company's image? I think the Klingons would be envious of her cloaking abilities. :D
 
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Wha'd I miss?

Apparently all those other pieces of metal hurdling down the freeway at 80 mph. Good job.

Ya know, its not as if two evil drug czars are battling for supremacy on the table with the prize money won from ill gotten means.

I know it was said that they would prefer that Str8 Shots not be associated with this type of whatever you want to call it but it also came off as wanting to shield the young players
from all the evils of the planet and the pool world. How many of them will actually know of this match being played let alone paying to watch it.

If you stand to make a bit of profit from the PPV, don't worry about where the money came from, just be glad that you made some and can put it to good use.

Nah, they'll be too busy laying on their bed playing GTA and blowing peoples brains out while the two Meanie Awful Bads are playing.
 
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I will just say that you are correct in that there are some things that you are not aware of. When you talk about TAR you are talking about me. Good or bad I am responsible for it so when you mentioned the idea that some people may think once people play for TAR they shouldn't play for someone else I wanted to point out how that is not case.

After some reflection I am confident Str8 shots as an organization is not out to screw me. The tone of the OP and some things that have happened behind the scenes in the past unrelated to Str8 Shots struck a chord with me this morning and I was pissed. I wish John and his sponsor good luck.

i failed to realize you would take it personal since you own tar... my bad :smile:

glad you cooled off and realized we both agree that they are not out to screw you...or at least we dont think so.

we good now ?:thumbup:
 
Wow aren't you supposed to be promoting the game and matches for PPV/ good exposure with John wearing the str8shots gear on a widely broadcasted match,

Poor, poor show.

It's not my place to argue about str8 shots position. I would like to see this match go off more than anything, and if it was next week, I would have already purchased the PPV. When these two match up, it is tense and exciting to watch!! I think for me to come on here and bash Str8 shots wouldn't be right even though I'm not sure I agree with them. They, meaning the powers, have been trying to get this 3rd match to happen since 2008 and it hasn't happened yet, even before str8 shots announced their position in the matter. I have read more than one thread of barking back and forth between Harriman and John which always ends up the same>>> ( NO GAME). With that being said I'm not sure that str8 shots stopped anything. Justin has been trying for quite a while to make this match happen and Danny usually finds a reason why it shouldn't. I won't even bother to quote any excuses. I don't think rivalry against two opponents is bad. I have seen it in boxing for years. The fighters would go on the road to promote their fight and hatred for each other. That is what brings the gate folks, like it or not!!
 
Apparently all those other pieces of metal hurdling down the freeway at 80 mph. Good job.

Ya know, its not as if two evil drug czars are battling for supremacy on the table with the prize money won from ill gotten means.

I know it was said that they would prefer that Str8 Shots not be associated with this type of whatever you want to call it but it also came off as wanting to shield the young players
from all the evils of the planet and the pool world. How many of them will actually know of this match being played let alone paying to watch it.

If you stand to make a bit of profit from the PPV, don't worry about where the money came from, just be glad that you made some and can put it to good use.

Nah, they'll be too busy laying on their bed playing GTA and blowing peoples brains out while the two Meanie Awful Bads are playing.

i like your summation. kinda crazy way of looking at it but i still like it .:thumbup:
 
I don't want to watch two besties as they dance around the table singing kumbya. I'd rather see John and Danny play a heated all around match on TAR.

We are the fans. We dictate what goes on and we want to see it. This is obviously what we want and the tension is what makes this match so desirable.

Screw cleaning up pools image. Let's Take all the fun out it and see how far it goes.
 
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If TAR didn't do matches if there was a 1% chance they would go south, there'd be no TAR matches. Thank god they play the odds.

I guess I'm in the minority on this but I kind of like what I saw here...
Someone who is genuinely concerned with the image of their players,
making a mature decision to keep them out of a situation that might embarrass
everyone involved. Naturally AZ gave her a raft of shit for that.

I know there's a 99% chance the match would have gone smoothly.
But the 1% comes from comments like Harriman saying he'd flat out pay John $1,000
(not bet, pay) to get in the ring for 10 rounds of boxing. Or that he'd love to bet 10k
on any sort of combat challenge "where nobody can call the cops and save your ass".

This Kim person actually does a pretty good professional press release, and like like a lot of
intelligent PR people does not get baited into no-win arguments with people who want to
yell and cry and hurl insults. Bonus Ball should make her an offer to do their PR.

Sure, I'm disappointed at the loss of a potential good match, but there are plenty of great
streams in pool to watch, one of them in just 5 short days.
 
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