Non-CNC Current Cuemakers
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kvinbrwr said:
Your right some of Barrys cues are more precise than his Dads and the other way around. I have one Barry cue that the points on are perfect but he didnt get the inlays in the prongs centered perfectly, I have another one that the inlays are perfect but the veneers are off a little, Barry needs to either drink a little more or a little less Scotch.
he just isnt monitering his Scotch consumption closely enough, we'll have to call quality controll... At the end of the day it dosent matter they all play great and They all play a little bit different too. What Barry does is he put his heart into every cue he makes. period. And there is alot of Gus in his work. He is modest, but I will argue that his work is as good as his dads-he wont agree. When someone puts that much pride into what they do it shows. Hard to find in todays world.The perfection a CNC machine is capable of obtaining is far greater than any player, there will never be a player better than the cue,. I like hand made cues the best but they are big $$$. Thats whats cool about CNC is the ability to make great playing cues affordibally. Even the CNC cue makers put alot of effort into their work, you just dont buy the machine and plug it in the wall and turn it on and get good cues..
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Just to clarify, are those cuemakers listed as "non-CNC" shops also NOT using CNC shaft cutting machines like the ones Blud has made ? I get the impression that most are speaking of CNC milling of inlays and pockets (ornamentation/cosmetics), while ignoring other numericly controlled (automated) machinery that a cuemaker might use.
Dave
Dave
Fatboy said:Your right some of Barrys cues are more precise than his Dads and the other way around. I have one Barry cue that the points on are perfect but he didnt get the inlays in the prongs centered perfectly, I have another one that the inlays are perfect but the veneers are off a little, Barry needs to either drink a little more or a little less Scotch.
The perfection a CNC machine is capable of obtaining is far greater than any player, there will never be a player better than the cue,. I like hand made cues the best but they are big $$$. Thats whats cool about CNC is the ability to make great playing cues affordibally. Even the CNC cue makers put alot of effort into their work, you just dont buy the machine and plug it in the wall and turn it on and get good cues..
Yes that pride is hard to find. I don't know Barry much at all and I like him. That "doing it dad's way" is the way things used to be, when people harken back to "the good old days" that's what they are talking about, days when tradition, craftsmanship, design and pride actually meant something.
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Kevin
Jeffrey Gale said:
No, he said he doesn't. In fact, he only did floating points briefly, but realized that it wasn't what he was known for and so he stopped making them. But, in my interview with him, he said he wasn't going to incorporate CNC. Not because he had anything against it, but he was already so far into his career and was on the slow down when CNC started getting more practical for custom builder.
Fred
kvinbrwr said:
That is Barrys number one principal, Even if I wanst a pool player I would still have an interest in Barrys work because of those values, If there is someone making musical instrumnets with those values and pride, i'm interested.
I watched a TV show in Germany last year, it wasnt in english, but it showed a sawmill that was probably 100 years old maybe 150 years old and the old man sawing boards on it from the trees they cut and brought there by mules, the saw was driven by gravity and the planks were amazing, the man operating the saw was in his 70-80's, it was his dads saw. I love things like that no matter what they are making, not many things like that left any longer. Barry is a perfect example of carring on a family legacy/tradition, he puts that above $$ and thats strong.
The CNC thing is soon to be a thing of the past. Why? I have seen what you can do with a Laser,and Panto/CNC is not gonna get you there.I look at the whole argument like this: The great Artist who photographed in black and white did not welcome the Artistry that color brought to his craft. You can still only opine for the B/W photos,but many will demand color.
As for certain cue makers and bets posted on wheater or not CNC was used,don't be to fast to rake before all the cards are turned over.
As for certain cue makers and bets posted on wheater or not CNC was used,don't be to fast to rake before all the cards are turned over.
You can't laser wood. It burns. Puls the laser comes down at an angle.hangemhigh said:
I can build with or without CNC. But a cue built of equal fancy level without CNC will cost you more.
Here are a few more who have made high end cues without CNC in recent times:
Gilbert
Tad
Schick
I think Cuejoey bought one of my fancier ones that were manually inlaid.
Here are a few more who have made high end cues without CNC in recent times:
Gilbert
Tad
Schick
I think Cuejoey bought one of my fancier ones that were manually inlaid.
hangemhigh said:
This cutting method has been discussed here before, and I was left with the impression that the edge of the wood gets discoloured (burned), not very nice looking to say the least. Have you seen a laser-cut cue ?
Here are some threads with photos and good information :
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=6892
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=30288
Dave
The cue I examined had Laser work on Every Ivory inlay. Picture a Card suit,Spades,engraved with the same intricate work as seen on the back of Bicycle playing cards.This exceeds anything possible with CNC.The objections such as depth of cutting,burning,and cutting angles are for the enterprising Manafacturer to overcome.
We both live in Interesting times
They give almost the same results,only the trained eye can discern between the two. Example: From 1994 to 2002 Cue Maker 1 had Cue Maker 2 CNC his Pantagraph templates. Cue Maker 2 also inlayed some of Cue Maker 1's blanks and engraved His Logo. Now you have cues from Cue Maker 1 that look exactly the same,but half were done Pantagraph,half CNC.I can tell which are which. The question is,can You?
Fred,Cornerman said:
They give almost the same results,only the trained eye can discern between the two. Example: From 1994 to 2002 Cue Maker 1 had Cue Maker 2 CNC his Pantagraph templates. Cue Maker 2 also inlayed some of Cue Maker 1's blanks and engraved His Logo. Now you have cues from Cue Maker 1 that look exactly the same,but half were done Pantagraph,half CNC.I can tell which are which. The question is,can You?
No one has yet but I'm thinking the laser can be used to create 3D inlays of any picture or object on the computer for component that can be used in cue building. Basically you will be lasering family picture, etc, mainly for the butt sleeve. Similar to what plamer did with the clear window and foil name in the butt sleeve.
The really cool thing is now we can have imbeded LED light shine from the bottom of the cue to illuminate the object or picture. I'm working on a cue right now that will have my family photo in 3D on an round acrylic stock (3D image will be laser into the crystal) that was tapered for the butt of the cue with a dowel to glue into the handle. It's be a cue looking cue and will probably plays fine as long as my shafts are good.
This is the same technology now that exist for creating 3D images such as the statue of liberty etc..except its done on a round stock that already taper to size of a butt. The battery will be install at the end of the butt cap and will have a switch to turn on and off. Talk about sharking..LOL...wondering if it will work for sharking. Will look pretty cool on TV, I'm sure!!
Regards,
Duc.
The really cool thing is now we can have imbeded LED light shine from the bottom of the cue to illuminate the object or picture. I'm working on a cue right now that will have my family photo in 3D on an round acrylic stock (3D image will be laser into the crystal) that was tapered for the butt of the cue with a dowel to glue into the handle. It's be a cue looking cue and will probably plays fine as long as my shafts are good.
This is the same technology now that exist for creating 3D images such as the statue of liberty etc..except its done on a round stock that already taper to size of a butt. The battery will be install at the end of the butt cap and will have a switch to turn on and off. Talk about sharking..LOL...wondering if it will work for sharking. Will look pretty cool on TV, I'm sure!!
Regards,
Duc.
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