Olathe!!!! What A Joke!!!
- Thread starter JamieMcWhorter
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Late last night anouther player involved in the ring game posted to "The Action Report" forum. He was none too happy. Said he would never go back there. He was mad about anouther incident along the same lines as this one being discussed. He was basically accusing one of them of "bumping" the two ball down the table and giving the table to his buddy. I would have posted the quote, but the web site is down. JCIN asked the poster to verify his identity or he would pull the post. When the site comes back up, the authors screen name will be very recognizable to all that watched the tourny. I hope it was a prank, because like others have said, it would put anouther nail in the coffin of the American pool playing scene.
chevybob20 said:
Nothing really important, but are you a European?
JAM said:For any pool tournament, it is imperative for competitors to UNDERSTAND the rules thoroughly. Just like the wonderful world of pocket billiards consisting of so many games, i.e., 14.1, 10-ball, 9-ball, 8-ball, 7-ball, 3-ball, one-pocket, golf, banks, each game also come with a whole slew of rules.
I could recite various iterations of 8-ball rules, like 8-ball neutral, 8-ball not neutral, must hit the 8-ball on the last shot, 8 on the break wins, 8on the break loses, call pocket, call shot, slop counts, et cetera, et cetera.
Where I used to play pool, it was considered the NORM that all players make an honest effort. In other words, if you didn't have a shot, you must try attempt to execute a legal shot, i.e., "honest effort." If a player deliberately executed a shot which left his opponent snookered, not attempting to hit the object ball, it would be looked upon as cheating. The locals in my neighborhood tavern would NEVER comprehend a player shooting a deliberate safety.
Of course, in today's 9-ball tournaments, it is customary for a player to play safe if they don't have a good shot. Honest effort doesn't apply to most 9-ball tournaments today.
In the Olathe 10-ball ring game, I was -- and may still be -- confused about the rules. Were the players supposed to make an honest effort on all shots, or is safety play acceptable?
Thanks in advance to answering what may seem like an elementary question to most.
JAM
Would it still be nice though if we can eliminate the need for "honest effort" rule?
Right on JoeyA, in my opinion the integrity of both Shane and Mike was never in question. Nothing unethical was executed ,they played within the rules of the tournament.Jamie is a young kid with a lot of spunk, possibly he may have made an impulsive statement.Don't hate on the players,lobby for better rules.JoeyA said:This subject came up at the pool hall last night and we discussed it for a minute. The consensus was that there was nothing unethical about what was done. It had nothing to do with racial discrimination. It has everything to do with insuring a win yet following the rules of the tournament, albeit stretching them, but still within the limits of the rules of the tournament.
Thinking back at some ring games that I have played in, and of course they weren't for this kind of money to say the least, we did play rather rough against any of the players hanging on by a thread. It is the nature of a ring game..... Get out as many players as you can because you never know if the player gasping for air is going to come back and haunt you.
Bunting a ball to make sure that it either goes in the hole or stays close to the hole to insure that you knock another player out is not a mortal sin and is smart play. Making another player shoot again when they foul is part of the game as well and is just another part of strategy.
I imagine that if you asked Jose Parica and Dennis Orcullo what they would do under the same circumstances, if they were honest about it, they would have to concede like I do, that they would have done the same thing. Dennis quiting is also understandable. His disappointment in allowing himself to be put in that situation had to be wearing on him. The handwriting was on the wall and he knew he had to go if the players had any sense about themselves.
I am wondering if Jamie McWhorter had any bets on this match and that is why he posted such a slanderous post.
The only despicable thing in this thread is Jamie insinuating that anything illegal or unethical was done. These guys played hard, all of them. If the shoe was on the other foot, nothing different would have been done, IMHO.
Jamie: Dan Tull & Shooters and www.theactionreport.com gave the world a chance to see some high dollar bar table action by some of the best players in the world and you come on here throwing dirty water on this historical event. I hope you are very wrong about your forecast for events like this and am very sorry you came to that conclusion.
Hopefully, it was only sour grapes and it was only because you had bet on the wrong guy. Regardless, you could have thought about your post long and hard before sending it.
You have accomplished nothing good by your post and have tainted Dan Tull's reputation with your accusations and sentiments.
JoeyA
This edit changes nothing I said above but I went back and read through many of the posts where Jamie admitted having a bet on the match and I guess that explains his angst or at least some of it. Still no need to knock the creator of this historical event, IMHO.
JAM said:
Same here.
JAM said:Oh, no, not this again!
JAM
ha-ha-ha, sorry wasn't meant it that way. i was just wondering who the other player he was talking about.
I can't resist...
Maybe someone spilled some Chicken McNugget sauce into the server...
JAM said:They could be updating the website maybe. I think when you navigate in the website software, it may put everything on hold. Hopefully, it will be up soon! I kind of like that place!
JAM
Maybe someone spilled some Chicken McNugget sauce into the server...
thanks...........
thanks we love what we are doing, and for all of you to like it makes it worth the time and effort for us! we really want to keep doing this for you all!JAM said:Ah, that's a relief. There's nothing better than looking for action at TheActionReport.com!
JAM
Terry Ardeno said:Maybe someone spilled some Chicken McNugget sauce into the server...
It had to have been sweet and sour, BBQ would never stoop to that level
For your information
There already was one major tournament where the tournament director held out bonus money because of a dump. Out of respect for those involved I will not mention names, but the tournament favorite and his opponent(a Phillipino by the way, who was the underdog but if he won would make an additional $3000) decided to conspire. The word got around before the match this might happen because there was a shill going around drumming up side action on the favorite big time. I would venture to say there was thousands of dollars on the side. The TD even warned the favorite ahead of time there would be no shenanigans. Lo and behold the dump was so obvious it was a joke. The TD was furious and did not pay out the bonus money. Not much considering he had to pay out the prize money and there was nothing he could not about the losses of the side bets. It was a shame, but he did what he felt was right. The guy threatened a law suit but it never came about.
Now this incident was cheating, as was the Kiamco match but the Olathe deal was just good strategy and not outside the rules. So young man it has been done but I still don't know if it has helped.
JamieMcWhorter said:
There already was one major tournament where the tournament director held out bonus money because of a dump. Out of respect for those involved I will not mention names, but the tournament favorite and his opponent(a Phillipino by the way, who was the underdog but if he won would make an additional $3000) decided to conspire. The word got around before the match this might happen because there was a shill going around drumming up side action on the favorite big time. I would venture to say there was thousands of dollars on the side. The TD even warned the favorite ahead of time there would be no shenanigans. Lo and behold the dump was so obvious it was a joke. The TD was furious and did not pay out the bonus money. Not much considering he had to pay out the prize money and there was nothing he could not about the losses of the side bets. It was a shame, but he did what he felt was right. The guy threatened a law suit but it never came about.
Now this incident was cheating, as was the Kiamco match but the Olathe deal was just good strategy and not outside the rules. So young man it has been done but I still don't know if it has helped.
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JAM said:It's called a "chop-chop", baby!
JAM
Now I can't get that King of Cars rap song out of my head: Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_EyizRrh8E&mode=related&search=
This guy's a 30-year-old car salesman, and he has made a FORTUNE in everything but cars: websites, TV show, videos, music CDs.
If a car salesman can do it, dag nab it, a pool player should be able to make a fortune, maybe doing something other than playing pool, like this egg!
Chop-chop, baby!
JAM