I like when pros play in tournaments I enter.
Opinions on pros wrecking local tourneys
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Our tournament will not allow this, if no one knows you, you are rated an 8. Our rating goes (Grandmasters or unknowns = 8, Masters = 7, A's = 6, B's = 5, C = 4, Ladies not rated Masters or A's = 3).
Thats my point m_c.....I ain't nobody
. Thats why it was unbelievable for it to happen to me on three different occasions. First was in Trinidad in the early 80's, the last was up where I live now and once in Glenwood. I was playing well each time and had snapped off their small $10 dollar entry tourney's more then once. I can see it being very rare in the big city but if you play well in the small towns and people don't know you, your chances for bar owners to say thanks but no thanks is much better.Keep in mind that this has never happened to me in a pool hall but rather in bars.
Really?
Make the question realistic and ask if someone were willing to pay $10 to go to a gym and have Mike Tyson give them boxing lessons. A place where its just you & Mike and you're able to watch how he moves his feet and punch the bag and learn his thought process. What you've proposed could get someone seriously injured or killed and is nothing more than being overly dramatic.
diff type of format
In a quick way this is what they did for a more even chance for lower rated players 1 =beginner 9=pro There are different amount of chips to each player at the start they rate you and use a formula of 12 so a 9 rated player would get 3 chips and a 5 would get 7 chips.this equals your rate or skill level subtracted from 12 gives you the number of chips.then the play goes in rounds not races they pick your match from a hat you go to the assigned table and play 1 game the winner stays and the looser goes to the director and gives him a chip because he lost a game then he gets to play another person at a different table this lasts for 5 games played by every person.Once you loose all your chips you are out.So players play allot of different people and lower rated people get to lose more games.Not just one race then go home.better players have to preform to stay in. the next round is 4 games by every body then 3 and so on till your chips are gone. depends on how many people show up for the payout to be determined.Some different rules is 9 ball on the break gets spotted if goes in the lower corners and there are no 1 -9 combos to win the game also the 9 must be called to win the game if not it gets spotted.this tends to get the lower rated players wanting to play more and not caring about one race and out also for the bar or establishment means more people stay longer and spend more .I have gone a few times and think it worked good.Hope this is explained good enough
Thanks Joe Callaluca
In a quick way this is what they did for a more even chance for lower rated players 1 =beginner 9=pro There are different amount of chips to each player at the start they rate you and use a formula of 12 so a 9 rated player would get 3 chips and a 5 would get 7 chips.this equals your rate or skill level subtracted from 12 gives you the number of chips.then the play goes in rounds not races they pick your match from a hat you go to the assigned table and play 1 game the winner stays and the looser goes to the director and gives him a chip because he lost a game then he gets to play another person at a different table this lasts for 5 games played by every person.Once you loose all your chips you are out.So players play allot of different people and lower rated people get to lose more games.Not just one race then go home.better players have to preform to stay in. the next round is 4 games by every body then 3 and so on till your chips are gone. depends on how many people show up for the payout to be determined.Some different rules is 9 ball on the break gets spotted if goes in the lower corners and there are no 1 -9 combos to win the game also the 9 must be called to win the game if not it gets spotted.this tends to get the lower rated players wanting to play more and not caring about one race and out also for the bar or establishment means more people stay longer and spend more .I have gone a few times and think it worked good.Hope this is explained good enough
Thanks Joe Callaluca
No I think they should have played him pool and then ran like hell...lol
But you are talking about a one-time thing...the 'wrecking' happens when one person wins over and over again.
How would you feel if a year went by and the same guy won the weekly event 30+ times? Still feel it is 'worth it'?
Totally...if I was the guy winning
!But, sadly, we both know I will never be him.
Questions
I have run local tournaments and played in many. One place I play at that has good tournaments on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evenings is getting ready to go to a handicap system on July 2nd. I have seen this done many times before, and it never works out. They want to make it where any player can win.
The place I play at is going from a race to 2 8 ball, and a race to 3 9 ball,
to rating guys a 5. I told them they will kill their action because most good players won't spend $25 to win $40 or 50 dollars. Besides 5 to 2 races are pretty hard for anyone. Eventually, all the better players will quit coming, and you end up with a banger tournament. Bangers are not usually steady customers for tournaments. People that are dedicated to Pool are the usual steady tournament players. I might add the tables cost
a dollar a game, $5 entry fee.
First off, should a 2 or 3 win an open tournament? They haven't put the time on the table to justify winning a tournament? Isn't this really just giving them a false sense of identity for themselves?
Handicapping goes against the tradition of Pool, where you have to come up through the ropes to earn your accolades in the sport. Back when I grew up, tournaments were far and few between, and you mostly just matched up with someone, and if you got beat, you had to get better, or keep on getting beat. Now, you have beginners and bangers sitting arouind complaining because they didn't win. What makes them think they are entitled to win? Do they play that well? no, they don't. Are they educated that much about the sport, no they are not.
If they get into a league, then they will get their handicap, and perhaps learn a few things about Pool, but leave the handicapping out of local tournaments, the short races are enough.
I have run local tournaments and played in many. One place I play at that has good tournaments on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evenings is getting ready to go to a handicap system on July 2nd. I have seen this done many times before, and it never works out. They want to make it where any player can win.
The place I play at is going from a race to 2 8 ball, and a race to 3 9 ball,
to rating guys a 5. I told them they will kill their action because most good players won't spend $25 to win $40 or 50 dollars. Besides 5 to 2 races are pretty hard for anyone. Eventually, all the better players will quit coming, and you end up with a banger tournament. Bangers are not usually steady customers for tournaments. People that are dedicated to Pool are the usual steady tournament players. I might add the tables cost
a dollar a game, $5 entry fee.
First off, should a 2 or 3 win an open tournament? They haven't put the time on the table to justify winning a tournament? Isn't this really just giving them a false sense of identity for themselves?
Handicapping goes against the tradition of Pool, where you have to come up through the ropes to earn your accolades in the sport. Back when I grew up, tournaments were far and few between, and you mostly just matched up with someone, and if you got beat, you had to get better, or keep on getting beat. Now, you have beginners and bangers sitting arouind complaining because they didn't win. What makes them think they are entitled to win? Do they play that well? no, they don't. Are they educated that much about the sport, no they are not.
If they get into a league, then they will get their handicap, and perhaps learn a few things about Pool, but leave the handicapping out of local tournaments, the short races are enough.
Johnny archer,Rodney Morris,Efren Reyes.....
Wouldn't it be nice to play in a weekly tourny with these guys.
I've found the better the competition the better the players get around them. Unless it's a handicap tourny the poorer player is the real loser if the better players are told to go fishing.
It's an excellent opportunity for the players to learn if nothing else but monkey see, monkey do. it actually works.
Most local tournys are race to 1 or 2. Double elim.
Wouldn't it be nice to play in a weekly tourny with these guys.
I've found the better the competition the better the players get around them. Unless it's a handicap tourny the poorer player is the real loser if the better players are told to go fishing.
It's an excellent opportunity for the players to learn if nothing else but monkey see, monkey do. it actually works.
Most local tournys are race to 1 or 2. Double elim.
If pro walked in to a local 10.00-20.00 entry tourney...I would sit on on the floor, kicking and screaming, crying like a little baby, break my cue over the rail of the pool table....probably pee and poop on myself....scream at the top of my lungs that THIS AINT FAIR...IT JUST AINT FAIR.... now THAT would show them bastards :thumbup:
At any tournament you will have people on both sides of the fence.About the only thing everyone agrees on,is the time of day.And that varies
i've love the chance to play a pro for the low price of a local tournament entree fee. who knows you might win
I disagree.
I played in my first true Open tournament a couple of months back and drew Jarrod Clowery first round. A couple of people commented, "rough draw, too bad"...??? I was pumped to play him. Yeah, I lost but played respectably and gained some great experience. More than anything, it will help you get over your nerves in a hurry. I had a chance to get to hill-hill and dogged an easy 7 ball. The more I play someone like Jarrod the less likely it will be for me to dog that shot again.
Also, Mike Dechaine plays in this tournament at times and I would love to draw him as well. Do I think I could win, NO...but it would be fun to try.
I played in my first true Open tournament a couple of months back and drew Jarrod Clowery first round. A couple of people commented, "rough draw, too bad"...??? I was pumped to play him. Yeah, I lost but played respectably and gained some great experience. More than anything, it will help you get over your nerves in a hurry. I had a chance to get to hill-hill and dogged an easy 7 ball. The more I play someone like Jarrod the less likely it will be for me to dog that shot again.
Also, Mike Dechaine plays in this tournament at times and I would love to draw him as well. Do I think I could win, NO...but it would be fun to try.
I vote for this as the most funny thread on AZ I've ever read.
The vast majority of these pro level types that play in these tourney are only happy to rob it. Have you ever beat one of them? It's not usually met with a good game and a smile. "You wanna play some you got the 6?" That's usually the first thing out of their mouth. Or you get to hear the equipment sucks or how lucky you got. Any semblance of being happy about the win goes right out the window. You often will end up more frustrated winning against them than losing.
Also if you do win guess what? It's only a $10 tournament win. The pro won't care. It doesn't mean you play pro level now too. It equals up to dog squat at the end of the day. All you're doing is donating. That's it. I don't care what box you wrap it in. Use the competition excuse or happy to learn something nonsense all day long if that makes you feel better. End of the day if you like getting robbed and do so with a smile on yourself, god bless you.
If you feel like playing to play then no issue right. If you get frustrated that someone 4 balls better than the field is playing this is for you.
The vast majority of these pro level types that play in these tourney are only happy to rob it. Have you ever beat one of them? It's not usually met with a good game and a smile. "You wanna play some you got the 6?" That's usually the first thing out of their mouth. Or you get to hear the equipment sucks or how lucky you got. Any semblance of being happy about the win goes right out the window. You often will end up more frustrated winning against them than losing.
Also if you do win guess what? It's only a $10 tournament win. The pro won't care. It doesn't mean you play pro level now too. It equals up to dog squat at the end of the day. All you're doing is donating. That's it. I don't care what box you wrap it in. Use the competition excuse or happy to learn something nonsense all day long if that makes you feel better. End of the day if you like getting robbed and do so with a smile on yourself, god bless you.
If you feel like playing to play then no issue right. If you get frustrated that someone 4 balls better than the field is playing this is for you.
Wah wah wah ! If I can't win this tournament then I'm going to take my toys and go home! Wah Wah Wah!
You don't get it??? A high percentage of pool players are in the 'stealing' business!!!! Most want it easy. They don't wanna grind or work hard. Its up to the owner(s) to 'man(or woman) up' and tell the 'good player' that he/she isn't allowed to play and can't worry about his/her reaction. They must do what they have to do to 'protect' the local players. I have a friend like this. He has all the talent in the world. Can play with almost anyone on the planet. But he chooses to play in bars and in leagues. I don't get it??? Got heart????....lol!
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I have no problems at all with it even if the pro happened to knock me out. Our local tournament is a handicapped open so pros can and do play in it. I've seen Allison and Kelly Fisher, Gerda, Kim Shaw and a few of the guys when they were coming through.....Tony Watson has started coming in lately (I suppose he is out....hopefully for good).
Whenever I get to play in that tournament I actually hope I draw a pro. If I play well and lose...well that was supposed to happen, but I still feel great about playing well. If I play well and win...well I am now on cloud 9 and and it doesn't matter if I win the tournament. Of course if I don't even get out of my seat I get to watch one helluva game.
Whenever I get to play in that tournament I actually hope I draw a pro. If I play well and lose...well that was supposed to happen, but I still feel great about playing well. If I play well and win...well I am now on cloud 9 and and it doesn't matter if I win the tournament. Of course if I don't even get out of my seat I get to watch one helluva game.
I remember a guy complaining about a guy who won the local tournament two weeks in a row being allowed to play. He felt that if you won it once you shouldn't be allowed to play in it for two weeks. This tournament is large (70-130 ppl), single elimination and attracts an occasional pro and a lot of shortstops and high level players.
The chances of winning it two weeks in a row is pretty low. I asked him why a he should be punished for winning the tournament (this guy is a good players, but not a SS or a pro) when the odds are stacked against you to win it again. He didn't seem to have a real answer for this other than to whine some more.
