I took their post differently. I took it as they had posted without reading the entire thread first, which (to me) is worse than piling on. If people don't take the time to read the whole thread and educate themselves about the whole thread then they deserve to look like the fools they make of themselves.
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I took their post differently. I took it as they had posted without reading the entire thread first, which (to me) is worse than piling on. If people don't take the time to read the whole thread and educate themselves about the whole thread then they deserve to look like the fools they make of themselves.
Yes Sir!
I completely agree with this statement especially the alcohol related comments. I witnessed my sweet sister in law go from a Mom with a home, husband and two girls to being homeless and then killed by one of her drunk boyfriends. She was shaken so violently that her brain became loose inside her skull and then dripped down her spinal cord. This is the same type of injury as shaken baby syndrome. They were both drunk when he attacked her and she died two days later. BTW he could not be convicted as they were alone and there were no witnesses to the attack, he claimed she fell down the stairs. The police, doctors, and nurses all agreed with what happened but we could not win in court without a confession.
All of us in her family tried in vain to help her to no avail. Drugs & Alcohol are devastating our families and our culture as humans it does not matter where on earth you are as it is affecting everyone everywhere. The effects of alcohol caused her to do things that would be unimagineable to any normal sober person and all of her family miss her dearly..
I completely agree with this statement especially the alcohol related comments. I witnessed my sweet sister in law go from a Mom with a home, husband and two girls to being homeless and then killed by one of her drunk boyfriends. She was shaken so violently that her brain became loose inside her skull and then dripped down her spinal cord. This is the same type of injury as shaken baby syndrome. They were both drunk when he attacked her and she died two days later. BTW he could not be convicted as they were alone and there were no witnesses to the attack, he claimed she fell down the stairs. The police, doctors, and nurses all agreed with what happened but we could not win in court without a confession.
All of us in her family tried in vain to help her to no avail. Drugs & Alcohol are devastating our families and our culture as humans it does not matter where on earth you are as it is affecting everyone everywhere. The effects of alcohol caused her to do things that would be unimagineable to any normal sober person and all of her family miss her dearly..
After 21 yrs of being on the front lines of this War on Drugs can you explain why it is easier for a juvinile to get a bag of marijuana or crack rocks than it is for them to get alcohol? Billions spent and thousands incarcerated hasn't put a dent in the black market.
Would you agree that most gangs derive their income from and violently protect their drug distribution territories?
Legal products are always cheaper than their black market counter parts and the built in protection of an open market eliminates the violent element because the consumer isn't a criminal with no recourse through the legal system. Then there is the advantage of regulation and quality control, as people wouldn't be dieing from tainted drugs.
Look I am not saying that drugs don't cause problems in our society, they do. People are going to do what they are going to do regardless. I think more harm is done waging war on the citizenry for altering their consciousness as man has done since the dawn of time. Better to bring it into the light and handle the problems (which already exist) drugs cause without compounding the problems by punishing people who have otherwise harmed no one for doing something that is an inherent part of being human.
As someone who spent part of a misspent youth dabbling on the darker side of society, I'll tell you that legalizing drugs is NOT the answer. People point to prohibition (bad example IMHO) and say see what happens a criminal element benefits. That is true, however repealing prohibition didn't get rid of alcoholics. Legalizing drugs....even maryjane won't cure the problem it will only make things worse. People who use drugs are looking for an escape, drugs and alcohol are not the answer but you can't convince them of that so they use more and more and graduate to even harder drugs. If they legalized marijuana the numbers of crackheads would increase, hyps would increase, etc. Legalizing a problem doesn't cure the problem.
Mike, 9ballmarksman, posted an apology to the OP on the very first page of this thread, post number 10 to be exact.
"ridinda9" either didn't scroll down the first page to read that, or he did, and still decided to pile on. Either way, not very nice.
Welcome to internet forums, right?
Best,
Brian kc
lol....I know what you mean however some threads it's a lot easier to just post a reply to the OP even though the couse of the thread may have changed. I for instance have no idea what all the fuss is about the Des Moines pool scene but I'll be damned if I'll read the entire thread to find out. LOL:grin:
What they did...
I just want to say that although I made light of what Pickle apparently did with this photo below, we all have to recognize the seriousness of taking a household hostage and threatening them while their house was being ransacked.
Can you imagine the terror this victims felt when they were helplessly handcuffed and realized these men were not the police? What else could have gone wrong leading to the injury or death of their hostages?
I for one want these men out of society for a long, long time, away from me and my family. Rehab or jail - just get them away from us.
Chris
I just want to say that although I made light of what Pickle apparently did with this photo below, we all have to recognize the seriousness of taking a household hostage and threatening them while their house was being ransacked.
Can you imagine the terror this victims felt when they were helplessly handcuffed and realized these men were not the police? What else could have gone wrong leading to the injury or death of their hostages?
I for one want these men out of society for a long, long time, away from me and my family. Rehab or jail - just get them away from us.
Chris
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Chris,
Reading an article it appears the perps were armed. First, when anyone deliberately breaks into an occupied building I feel they have committed themselves to do whatever necessary to control the people in there. Second, you have unintended consequences to deal with. I strongly feel that anyone that commits a violent crime against another person or people is a threat to other people's lives.
With thousands of empty homes around me I had a person try my front door twice. No law, no phone or cell phone service, no electricity other than the flashlight I shined to be sure the person knew the house was occupied the first time they tried the door. Had they gotten a door or window open they would have been DRT, they were coming in on a riot shotgun and an AR-15 in the hands of two master class shooters who had no intention of being victims of somebody who was obviously trying to commit a crime against other people.
I hate that a person involved here is probably the Bobby Pickle that is well known and generally liked in the pool world. That doesn't give them a pass.
Hu
Chris,
Reading an article it appears the perps were armed. First, when anyone deliberately breaks into an occupied building I feel they have committed themselves to do whatever necessary to control the people in there. Second, you have unintended consequences to deal with. I strongly feel that anyone that commits a violent crime against another person or people is a threat to other people's lives.
With thousands of empty homes around me I had a person try my front door twice. No law, no phone or cell phone service, no electricity other than the flashlight I shined to be sure the person knew the house was occupied the first time they tried the door. Had they gotten a door or window open they would have been DRT, they were coming in on a riot shotgun and an AR-15 in the hands of two master class shooters who had no intention of being victims of somebody who was obviously trying to commit a crime against other people.
I hate that a person involved here is probably the Bobby Pickle that is well known and generally liked in the pool world. That doesn't give them a pass.
Hu
My point was that legalizing drugs is not a solution. I was not implying that prohibition was a good solution. However, when a drug is less accessible fewer people use it.
If we were to legalize anything it should probably be morphine or its derivatives. When it was legal in England there were fewer problems in and around the morphine dens than there were around the pubs. Morphine is generally a sedative hypnotic and puts the person in a "nod" rather than agravating the underlying problems it tends to sedate the person.
When one can afford the drug it does not lead to violence nearly as much as some of the other drugs. However, many people are not as attracted to morphine and "prefer" alcohol for the disinhibition that it produces.
The same can be said for marijuana and related drugs such as Kat. They can be tolerated and do not enhance one's darker side. From a social perspective they are less destructive.
There are other solutions that require a better educated society with less dangerous alternatives for those who choose to experiemnt without becoming a danger to the rest of society. We, as a culture, prefer the quick, easy but dangrous fix.
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I think that while our society has agreed that there is such a thing as diminished capacity to understand the wrongness of one’s behavior. We do not accept willful diminished capacity (such as drug use) as a justification for criminal activity.
The intent to commit (and then accomplish) a crime is sufficient reason to incarcerate a person as punishment and as a personal deterrent (he can’t commit another such act while locked up).
Unfortunately some people try to reason that addiction is a disease that leads to unintentional diminished capacity and that society is in some way partially responsible for allowing such drugs to be available through lack of enforcement.
How would we handle it if drugs were legal and then the person committed a crime? The offender could argue that society should have told him about the dangers and prevented him from being able to access such dangerous drugs. Something like serving boiling coffee at McDonalds.
The problems are many and complex. There are no easy solutions.
The intent to commit (and then accomplish) a crime is sufficient reason to incarcerate a person as punishment and as a personal deterrent (he can’t commit another such act while locked up).
Unfortunately some people try to reason that addiction is a disease that leads to unintentional diminished capacity and that society is in some way partially responsible for allowing such drugs to be available through lack of enforcement.
How would we handle it if drugs were legal and then the person committed a crime? The offender could argue that society should have told him about the dangers and prevented him from being able to access such dangerous drugs. Something like serving boiling coffee at McDonalds.
The problems are many and complex. There are no easy solutions.
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How dare you think it thru, JoeW!
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Did confirmation come re: this being our Pickle or not?
And perhaps has not made things any worse ! (from a cultural point of view). In fact it has been used to address some problems without too much social cost (except in the illegal areas). What would happen if Vicodin were as easily available as asprin? Would those who need to experiemnt and those who need pain relief (social and physical) be less of a danger to society?
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The Cheshire (CT) home invasion
I happen to live approx five miles from where the horrific and shocking Cheshire home invasion took place three years ago. For those unaware, two ex cons followed a mother and her young daughter from a local grocery store to their home to stake them out, only to return later that night.
They broke in, controlled all inside by tying them up, brought the father, Dr. Pettit to the basement and knocked him out. One bad guy took the mom by car to her ATM where they did a withdrawal, returned to the house, then these two guys proceeded to rape the mom and her two daughters. Then, if that wasn't enough, they started a fire that killed the three females.
Dr. Pettit is now left as a shell of a man having been left powerless to help his wife and daughters who were being terrorized and subsequently killed.
The police apprehended these two SOB's as they tried to flee the home in the Pettit's car. The trial for one of them is set to begin this month.
Mr. Pickle, funny guy, good pool player, and all, needs to be removed from society along with his accomplices for a very long time. It's unfortunate if an addiction of some kind drove these men to do this crime but at the end of the day, we have to be accountable for the decisions we make.
But for the grace of God, the victims in the Pickle case could have also been hurt, or worse.
Best,
Brian kc
I happen to live approx five miles from where the horrific and shocking Cheshire home invasion took place three years ago. For those unaware, two ex cons followed a mother and her young daughter from a local grocery store to their home to stake them out, only to return later that night.
They broke in, controlled all inside by tying them up, brought the father, Dr. Pettit to the basement and knocked him out. One bad guy took the mom by car to her ATM where they did a withdrawal, returned to the house, then these two guys proceeded to rape the mom and her two daughters. Then, if that wasn't enough, they started a fire that killed the three females.
Dr. Pettit is now left as a shell of a man having been left powerless to help his wife and daughters who were being terrorized and subsequently killed.
The police apprehended these two SOB's as they tried to flee the home in the Pettit's car. The trial for one of them is set to begin this month.
Mr. Pickle, funny guy, good pool player, and all, needs to be removed from society along with his accomplices for a very long time. It's unfortunate if an addiction of some kind drove these men to do this crime but at the end of the day, we have to be accountable for the decisions we make.
But for the grace of God, the victims in the Pickle case could have also been hurt, or worse.
Best,
Brian kc
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IMO any home invasion type of kidnapping should be punishable by death. In many states if the people are home and have guns they are legally within their rights to shoot and kill the people coming in. Why should the law be written so that the state doesn't have the same power after due process?
IMO pickle and his cohorts should be executed if guilty.
If I had my way they would have been executed by the family when they first broke in.
~rc
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What would happen if Vicodin were as easily available as asprin?
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It pretty much is. From the DEA:
"Of particular concern is the prevalence of illicit use of hydrocodone among school-aged children. The 2008 Monitoring the Future Survey reports that 2.9%, 6.7% and 9.7% of 8th, 10th, and 12th graders, respectively, used Vicodin® nonmedically in the previous year."
What would happen if Vicodin were as easily available as asprin?
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It pretty much is. From the DEA:
"Of particular concern is the prevalence of illicit use of hydrocodone among school-aged children. The 2008 Monitoring the Future Survey reports that 2.9%, 6.7% and 9.7% of 8th, 10th, and 12th graders, respectively, used Vicodin® nonmedically in the previous year."
> I think we're past the point of questioning whether this was indeed Bobby.
I probably shouldn't say this,but we have seen the last of him in all probability. Barring a unforseen legal miracle,this will be his 3rd strike.
He was always cool with me,and a hell of a player,but let's face it,he did this to himself. Tommy D.
I probably shouldn't say this,but we have seen the last of him in all probability. Barring a unforseen legal miracle,this will be his 3rd strike.
He was always cool with me,and a hell of a player,but let's face it,he did this to himself. Tommy D.
I am wondering
What is the scoop on the victim, Kashola guy?
Was he a drug dealer, Pool player/gambler or just some rich guy they were ripping off?
Any Locals of the Area know if this incident is pool related?
All of this same old drug debating is making this thread quite NPR. :boring:
What is the scoop on the victim, Kashola guy?
Was he a drug dealer, Pool player/gambler or just some rich guy they were ripping off?
Any Locals of the Area know if this incident is pool related?
All of this same old drug debating is making this thread quite NPR. :boring: