Pics of the "Fatboy" Rails and Pockets for TAR 21. Yeah they are a wee bit tight.

Kenny Powers shirt makes Screaming Eagle shirt its b!tch:

Photo altered for PERSEC

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LOL. I wore that shirt today.
 
"By the way, what have YOU done lately to try and help change this industry for the better...get out of bed?"



Actually, Calired is a total pimp who has been doing a ton of work putting out some of the best videos out there for AZ'ers to watch the last year.

I don't know if he needed to throw out the bragging comment since enough people have verified your work and talent in installing tables, but Calired is a good man too.

You two need to chill and have a cold one together...I think you'd get along.
 
"By the way, what have YOU done lately to try and help change this industry for the better...get out of bed?"



Actually, Calired is a total pimp who has been doing a ton of work putting out some of the best videos out there for AZ'ers to watch the last year.

I don't know if he needed to throw out the bragging comment since enough people have verified your work and talent in installing tables, but Calired is a good man too.

You two need to chill and have a cold one together...I think you'd get along.

I'm sure we would, there's few people in this world that I dislike, and Cali is not one of them that's for sure:thumbup:
 
"I'm a world beater" says it all, it just so happens to be that you only live in a small, little corner of the world...and it's a BIG world, and you're no world champion player to boot!

LOL! You're lost! Like I said, it's obvious you know nothing about me.
 
Excellent I agree with you on something lol. That is my whole point! There is no consistency in the playing conditions. However, if you where to look you will find that the higher percentage of tables do not have tight pockets therefore players will become accustomed and SHAPE there game around larger pockets. Subsequently, if you all of a sudden introduce tight pockets these types of players will be at a disadvantage to players accustomed to these conditions or with a playing style that suits the conditions.

I agree with you totally on all of that. This game needs standards and consistency in the equipment, I just hope when we finally get that the equipment is properly challenging for the professional game such that we finally get a chance to see some seperation at the top of the rankings. I would be kinda choked if we got the standardization and consistency and the pockets were decided to be 4.5 inches for pro play, IMO that would just be the signal to me that this game is going nowhere in my lifetime and that would be a sad thing.

I would honestly like to see a shift to 10-foot Diamond tables inside of the next 10 or so years after some initial trials with the upcomming 10-foots that Diamond is making. Probably 4.25 inch pockets is realistic, although 4.125 would make me even happier and really push the pro game to places most people involved in this sport have never dreamed it could go.
 
Weird how a simple post about the pocket size for the upcoming SVB/Alex event turned into a discussion of...

* Earl's behavior,
* how some guy measured his table incorrectly,
* how some people give more to the industry than others,
* how a valley bartable with 4" pockets does not impede position play,
* how pool will never get the respect golf enjoys,
* how self-promotion is equivalent to motivating the industry,
* how Calired needs to get off his ass & do more for the industry (LOL),
* how JCIN is disrespectful (LOL),
* are pool balls 1-7/8" or 2-1/4"? Poor photo's do that.
* how we shouldn't cut the arms off boxers,
* how different boxing styles compare,
* how the IPT gave Sigel an inherent advantage,
* how young guys like SVB like Diamond tables, old farts like Archer like Gold Crowns



welcome to AZB, the world of negative people all pissed off at something or someone. What else is there here anymore? Its all talked out, so now the *****ing and moaning continues forever.
 
I agree with you totally on all of that. This game needs standards and consistency in the equipment, I just hope when we finally get that the equipment is properly challenging for the professional game such that we finally get a chance to see some seperation at the top of the rankings. I would be kinda choked if we got the standardization and consistency and the pockets were decided to be 4.5 inches for pro play, IMO that would just be the signal to me that this game is going nowhere in my lifetime and that would be a sad thing.

I would honestly like to see a shift to 10-foot Diamond tables inside of the next 10 or so years after some initial trials with the upcomming 10-foots that Diamond is making. Probably 4.25 inch pockets is realistic, although 4.125 would make me even happier and really push the pro game to places most people involved in this sport have never dreamed it could go.


Who is going to pay for this shift? All the bussted out pool rooms, or tournment promoters who cant make the pay-outs, or the wealthy players?:rolleyes:

Like pool will ever be standardized there is 5,000,000 Frankenstein GC's out there to replace
 
I agree with you totally on all of that. This game needs standards and consistency in the equipment, I just hope when we finally get that the equipment is properly challenging for the professional game such that we finally get a chance to see some seperation at the top of the rankings. I would be kinda choked if we got the standardization and consistency and the pockets were decided to be 4.5 inches for pro play, IMO that would just be the signal to me that this game is going nowhere in my lifetime and that would be a sad thing.

I would honestly like to see a shift to 10-foot Diamond tables inside of the next 10 or so years after some initial trials with the upcomming 10-foots that Diamond is making. Probably 4.25 inch pockets is realistic, although 4.125 would make me even happier and really push the pro game to places most people involved in this sport have never dreamed it could go.

Don't know pocket sizes up north there, but around here there are tons of tables with 4" Ernesto pockets that many tournaments are held on.

If I had to pick a pocket size the I would consider fair for pro or upper level tournaments, I would pick 4.25".
 
Wow, looks great - Justin! I can't wait to see TAR 21.

** And people, let's try to keep the conversation about TAR 21.

Thanks.

S.G.
 
Not sure how others feel, but a clean dry (super humidity free) table can play pretty easy sometimes. Actual pocket size might be different from playing pocket size. Could be wrong it's Friday night. :)
 
Is it just me???
I can't figure out where this thread went wrong...
JCIN didn't bad mouth or disrespect cobra in my eyes in any way.

So cobra what the hell is your problem?
You should be happy TAR 21 is gonna use rails made by you.

Am I the only one who see's this?
 
Is it just me???
I can't figure out where this thread went wrong...
JCIN didn't bad mouth or disrespect cobra in my eyes in any way.

So cobra what the hell is your problem?
You should be happy TAR 21 is gonna use rails made by you.

Am I the only one who see's this?

The "debate" is a continuation from a prior thread a week ago or so.
 
I don't understand why some ppl think playing on tight pockets ruins the game, and or some pros are not used to them. Here in the greater Philly area, every players room for decades has at least one super tight table. EVERYONE who is a player or wannabe player has played on these tight tables numerous times. Most of the top local players even prefer the tight tables. And I'm talking for all games, not just one hole.

To think that a tight table will be something foreign to Alex or Shane is just absurd. They will running out with no problems.
 
Who is going to pay for this shift? All the bussted out pool rooms, or tournment promoters who cant make the pay-outs, or the wealthy players?:rolleyes:

Like pool will ever be standardized there is 5,000,000 Frankenstein GC's out there to replace

Pool rooms and the like are always going to be a mix of stuff.

What I am talking about is "IF" a person ever managed to start another proper professional billiards tour with set events, dates, and sponsors. If someone were to do that you need 16 10-foot tables with whatever pocket specs and a truck to move them from one tournament to the next.

A proper proffesional billiards tour would not be run out of pool halls, it would hold events in convention centers, hotels, and for forward thinking individuals perhaps areas like West Edmonton Mall where the general public gets a free look at the sport to possibly spur interest. To do it would be cheaper and more consistent to use the same tables and move them from one area to the next, you need a semi/trailer and a couple table mechanics who are able to drive the thing from one location to the next.

I am not totally sure but "IF" someone had the capital and the sponsors lined up for a tour I am guessing Diamond would let 16 tables go pretty cheap in return for being the official sponsor of the tour, some real estate on the side of the trailer used to move the tables (along with the other sponsors), and advertising in the tournaments in the form of banners and mention on streams. The truck/trailer could also possibly be obtained through a sponsorship deal, for a company like say Ford to sponsor a sport like that with a vehicle is extremely cost effective from a raw material standpoint and from a tax point of view.

I don't care about the 5 million gold crowns out there, I care only about the 16 tables that a professional tour would use for their tour. Rome was not built in a day, you need to start somewhere.
 
ACtually....

sorry i don't understand the point of using tight pockets. you cannot play half of your positional shots such as potting a ball with force down a rail with side and moving the white off of 4 cushions. Consequently the game changes drastically and you end up resorting to playing the table rather than the balls.

and talking about skill is rubbish as most players are not familiar with these types of conditions and simply end up at a disadvantage because they don't usually play with these types of pockets which results in never seeing their true potential. its just a novelty it might as well be a carom table. anyway that's just my beef because i have played weeks upon weeks of competitions with normal pockets and having great results only to waste money going to a venue with tight pockets and lose first round because the tables are not regulation due to some non-player thinking it is more challenging for the better players to have really really tight pockets!!.


On a diamond, the tighter pockets actually help a well struck ball to fall easier. Glen, back me up on this. I played on one of Glen's tight diamonds up at the golden fleece (Dave's place) and it actually took well aimed balls easier.

This has to due with the deep shelves and the tighter pockets not giving the balls as much bounce back and forth room.

I much prefer to play on a 4" pocketed diamond than a 4.5"....

Jaden
 
When Glen sees a picture of his work in a thread, it's like Burt Reynolds passing a mirror. He has to stop, blow a kiss to himself and let everyone know he's the sh#%t.
 
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