Players not being paid at US Open

Rumors are fun and can spread fast like a wildfire. It's true that some players were unhappy they didn't get paid immediately. The truth is that most of the players who finished from 17th thru 24th, 25th thru 32nd and 33rd thru 48th were paid the next day after being eliminated, most of them in cash! I think ALL these players are completely satisfied now.

The players who finished in higher positions received checks from Barry before leaving yesterday. Most of the checks are dated from one to two weeks away. Almost all players I spoke with were satisfied with this, as long as the checks clear when deposited in their accounts. Even the few who were complaining the loudest the day before gratefully accepted their checks and went home. I do not know of one player who did not receive a check from Barry. Even the top finishers got full payment in the form of two or three checks.

Barry has assured me that ALL checks will clear! If this is the case then all is well and good. I told him that the credibility of his event is on the line and it will live or die depending on whether the payments are all good or not. He understands this and once again assured me that there would be no problems this time. If this is not the case I will not be going back next year.

It was a very difficult job running the Open properly this year. I was understaffed and had to work long hours, but I was committed to making the event run smoothly and I think I succeeded in doing just that. It was a great tournament with a truly World Class field of players, certainly one of the hardest tournaments to win. My hat is off to Shane for his amazing "three peat" and how he handled the super talented Dennis Orcollo in the finals. IMO the two best players all week were in the finals. Thanks to all those people who took the time to thank me for running this event so well. That meant a lot to me to know that my efforts were appreciated.

P.S. FYI there are many major events in the pool world where players do not receive their winnings immediately. Often the money is wired to their bank accounts from one to two weeks out. This is a common practice with the companies that put on these larger events and all the players know this going in. The same is true in professional golf and tennis, so this is not uncommon in the sports world for players to have their payments delayed for a short period of time.

I will only add that I see how devoted Barry is to our sport and to the U.S. Open. His enthusiasm has never waned and he is always looking for ways to make his event bigger and better. For that I will acknowledge him. He is a very misunderstood man and does have an eccentric personality that has grated on me at times. But I see his love for the game and appreciate that because of him we have had a U.S. Open for 39 years! He openly admitted to me that he is not the best at handling money, but will always make sure that all players are paid. He told me that next year he would like to be able to pay all the players with Certified (Bank) checks on the day they are eliminated. I, of course, told him this would be a good thing and end all the rumors once and for all. His past history has branded him and he is sincere in wanting to change that impression.
 
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While you're blaming Jay, let's not forget to blame AZ Billiards too for advertising the tournament and publishing brackets. Oh yeah, Simonis and the Marriott too, for hosting and sponsoring it.

I realize you can't seem to get through your head Jay is just a hired hand at the Open, not a principal.

In Fact, here is Jay's exact quote from AZ:

" It's no secret I've had my personal issues with Barry over the way things were handled in past years. That said, I truly hope that he can once again make the Open the great event it used to be. With the renewed sanctioning of the WPA, he has the opportunity to bring many foreign players back on board.

Probably the fewer promises he makes about how the money is secured and subsequently paid out is a good idea, since in the past promises like this did not materialize. I hope this time we see prompt and complete payments made to ALL players, without the need for "handlers" to watch the money.

We need a successful U.S. Open in this country and it probably won't happen (at least not now) without the co-operation of Barry Behrman. He remains the only one who can make or break this event. I wish him luck in keeping his word this time. "



This is not exactly a ringing endorsement or guarantee, is it? Would you care to refute that with some actual facts, or do you want to continue to make an ass of yourself by blaming Jay for Barry's financial misdeeds?

This is another reason that I respect Chris. His posts are factual and not full of BS like some others. Well said Chris, well said.
 
Rumors are fun and can spread fast like a wildfire. It's true that some players were unhappy they didn't get paid immediately. The truth is that most of the players who finished from 17th thru 24th, 25th thru 32nd and 33rd thru 48th were paid the next day after being eliminated, most of them in cash! I think ALL these players are completely satisfied now.

The players who finished in higher positions received checks from Barry before leaving yesterday. Most of the checks are dated from one to two weeks away. Almost all players I spoke with were satisfied with this, as long as the checks clear when deposited in their accounts. Even the few who were complaining the loudest the day before gratefully accepted their checks and went home. I do not know of one player who did not receive a check from Barry. Even the top finishers got full payment in the form of two or three checks.

Barry has assured me that ALL checks will clear! If this is the case then all is well and good. I told him that the credibility of his event is on the line and it will live or die depending on whether the payments are all good or not. He understands this and once again assured me that there would be no problems this time. If this is not the case I will not be going back next year.

It was a difficult job running the Open properly this year. I was understaffed and had to work long hours, but I was committed to making the event run smoothly and I think I succeeded in doing just that.

Thanks Jay for the update. There has been and will be a lot of concern about this, but I know you would do whatever you could to help the players. The members here are concerned about the future of this great event. We'll keep our fingers crossed that Barry makes good on those checks. No matter the outcome, the U.S. Open is much better off with you involved.
 
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Rumors are fun and can spread fast like a wildfire. It's true that some players were unhappy they didn't get paid immediately. The truth is that most of the players who finished from 17th thru 24th, 25th thru 32nd and 33rd thru 48th were paid the next day after being eliminated, most of them in cash! I think ALL these players are completely satisfied now.

The players who finished in higher positions received checks from Barry before leaving yesterday. Most of the checks are dated from one to two weeks away. Almost all players I spoke with were satisfied with this, as long as the checks clear when deposited in their accounts. Even the few who were complaining the loudest the day before gratefully accepted their checks and went home. I do not know of one player who did not receive a check from Barry. Even the top finishers got full payment in the form of two or three checks.

Barry has assured me that ALL checks will clear! If this is the case then all is well and good. I told him that the credibility of his event is on the line and it will live or die depending on whether the payments are all good or not. He understands this and once again assured me that there would be no problems this time. If this is not the case I will not be going back next year.

It was a very difficult job running the Open properly this year. I was understaffed and had to work long hours, but I was committed to making the event run smoothly and I think I succeeded in doing just that. It was a great tournament with a truly World Class field of players, certainly one of the hardest tournaments to win. My hat is off to Shane for his amazing "three peat" and how he handled the super talented Dennis Orcollo in the finals. IMO the two best players all week were in the finals. Thanks to all those people who took the time to thank me for running this event so well. That meant a lot to me to know that my efforts were appreciated.

P.S. FYI there are many major events in the pool world where players do not receive their winnings immediately. Often the money is wired to their bank accounts from one to two weeks out. This is a common practice with the companies that put on these larger events and all the players know this going in. The same is true in professional golf and tennis, so this is not uncommon in the sports world for players to have their payments delayed for a short period of time.

I will only add that I see how devoted Barry is to our sport and to the U.S. Open. His enthusiasm has never waned and he is always looking for ways to make his event bigger and better. For that I will acknowledge him. He is a very misunderstood man and does have an eccentric personality that has grated on me at times. But I see his love for the game and appreciate that because of him we have had a U.S. Open for 39 years! He openly admitted to me that he is not the best at handling money, but will always make sure that all players are paid. He told me that next year he would like to be able to pay all the players with Certified (Bank) checks on the day they are eliminated. I, of course, told him this would be a good thing and end all the rumors once and for all. His past history has branded him and he is sincere in wanting to change that impression.

We "judge" people on how they handle adversity! 39 years to get it "right" is a long time! I can not ignore these "KEY" details. 39 years and he could not tell players in advance he needed "2 weeks" to settle up? 39 years and players from 2 years ago from Japan are complaining about money from 2 years ago! Mika was "thrown out" and could not 3 peat like Shane because he asked for "Money" owed! International players not paid in full and told the US Open would send in the taxes on their money with no proof of that ever happening! The list goes on and on.

I have to ask this question? What if the winner "NEEDS" his money prior to the post dated checks???

Answer is

Tuff Nuggies!!!

These players spent "ALOT" of money to participate. They leave "empty handed" not even traveling money to get back home! They could not even get their entry fee back while they waited on the rest!

I am certain you see my point and I don't blame you in any way. I just think the actions are "unethical" and that is the big problem. Joking around about stiffing players is "unethical"! Being drunk in public during a major international event and representing the USA in that condition is "unethical". The Mika incident witnessed by numerous people that saw him escorted out for asking for his "owed" money the following year is unethical. The japan player having to beg for 2 year old debts is "unethical".

If players deposit a check for less than the agreed upon amount, it can in many states be considered paid in full??? This issue places the players in a very bad situation when multiple checks are involved and amounts are not for the full amount!!! In writing this post, i can't help but realize how bad this really is. The players are helpless if the bad publicity and vendors put their foot down and make the 40th US Open impossible. If the publicity is so bad that it can't be done next year, then whats to keep the US Open from folding up shop and keeping the owed money and declaring bankruptcy? Nothing!!!

KD
 
... Mika was "thrown out" and could not 3 peat like Shane because he asked for "Money" owed! ...

Just so someone doesn't misunderstand this -- Despite that ridiculousness, Mika did play the next year (2010) and came close to the 3-peat, finishing 3rd.
 
Rumors are fun and can spread fast like a wildfire. It's true that some players were unhappy they didn't get paid immediately. The truth is that most of the players who finished from 17th thru 24th, 25th thru 32nd and 33rd thru 48th were paid the next day after being eliminated, most of them in cash! I think ALL these players are completely satisfied now.

The players who finished in higher positions received checks from Barry before leaving yesterday. Most of the checks are dated from one to two weeks away. Almost all players I spoke with were satisfied with this, as long as the checks clear when deposited in their accounts. Even the few who were complaining the loudest the day before gratefully accepted their checks and went home. I do not know of one player who did not receive a check from Barry. Even the top finishers got full payment in the form of two or three checks.

Barry has assured me that ALL checks will clear! If this is the case then all is well and good. I told him that the credibility of his event is on the line and it will live or die depending on whether the payments are all good or not. He understands this and once again assured me that there would be no problems this time. If this is not the case I will not be going back next year.

It was a very difficult job running the Open properly this year. I was understaffed and had to work long hours, but I was committed to making the event run smoothly and I think I succeeded in doing just that. It was a great tournament with a truly World Class field of players, certainly one of the hardest tournaments to win. My hat is off to Shane for his amazing "three peat" and how he handled the super talented Dennis Orcollo in the finals. IMO the two best players all week were in the finals. Thanks to all those people who took the time to thank me for running this event so well. That meant a lot to me to know that my efforts were appreciated.

P.S. FYI there are many major events in the pool world where players do not receive their winnings immediately. Often the money is wired to their bank accounts from one to two weeks out. This is a common practice with the companies that put on these larger events and all the players know this going in. The same is true in professional golf and tennis, so this is not uncommon in the sports world for players to have their payments delayed for a short period of time.

I will only add that I see how devoted Barry is to our sport and to the U.S. Open. His enthusiasm has never waned and he is always looking for ways to make his event bigger and better. For that I will acknowledge him. He is a very misunderstood man and does have an eccentric personality that has grated on me at times. But I see his love for the game and appreciate that because of him we have had a U.S. Open for 39 years! He openly admitted to me that he is not the best at handling money, but will always make sure that all players are paid. He told me that next year he would like to be able to pay all the players with Certified (Bank) checks on the day they are eliminated. I, of course, told him this would be a good thing and end all the rumors once and for all. His past history has branded him and he is sincere in wanting to change that impression.

How far ahead are the last checks for 5kk to 30k posted? 3weeks? 3 months, or 10 months. I can't believe you think this is OK. Johnnyt
 
Thanks JAY

Nice to hear from you, Jay; was waiting like others to see what you had to say.....
I appreciate that you were able to successfully run this difficult (no doubt) tournament; I'm sure it was a lot of work and effort. Thanks and Congrats!

I hope that everybody who has post dated checks will get their money on time.

I also appreciate that the man has produced this tournament for 39 years running.

However, when it comes to money matters, how can he not understand that people are not very forgiving? For some, it can be as serious as a heart attack.

Although I might respect him for the long history of running this event, what sticks out as the bottom line is that there have been (purportedly) participants in prior or past OPENS that have still not been paid???? Is this true???

No excuse for that, if true.
 
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Jay - did you get a post dated check as well?

What do you think of the YouTube video of Barry?

I would suggest every player call Barry's bank and ask to verify funds before cashing their check.
 
Needs to stop.

I agree 100 % with kid dynamite . This game is not growing , and if it is very little. Situations like this should never of happened . Is it possible major companies have watched this type of behavior, and have came to their own conclusion. This is not what the sports needs. I believe it's time to start something like the U.S.Open, but with a different name. This particular event is tarnished. I'm sorry, I'm all for the Game gaining recognition it deserves. This event is not the answer. My company supports individuals or organizations in the billiard industry that are trying to help this sport come up from the ashes so to speak. With the chaos surrounding this event,year in ,and year out, This might be the last year. Unless somebody steps up and starts a similar event that can be recognized as a real prestigious event. I don't know this man personally, he's probably a nice guy, but there is a problem obviously. 39 YEARS , and there are still issues. I'm glad the pros are able to play in a event like this ,but not under these circumstances . I read somewhere where this guy would sell the rights to this event. Hogwash ! There is nothing stopping somebody from starting a similar event, just a different name. History will not be lost, It will be just a new beginning in a new chapter of the sport.
 
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Pool is in such a pathetic state that an obvious, and frankly perpetual charlatan such as Barry is defended. Worse yet his irrational actions are rationalized for him by people that clearly know better. I rather doubt Tiger or Phil had to wait for the Augusta National's check to clear the years they won The Masters.

This drunken weasel is allowed to go on an international broadcast and make a fool of himself tarnishing the image of not just our game but of the United States. The broadcast starts at least 45 minutes late, in a good year, but still we must endure the elaborate production of the National Anthem and have Barry carry the flag around to show everybody around the world just how patriotic he is. Whoopee!! Personally, I think the people of the planet would think more of him, and Americans, if he just acted in a professional manner rather than played the Star Spangled Banner. If acting like a normal human being, rather than the world's worse example of someone suffering from short man's disease, is impossible, and for him I'm quite certain that it is, could he at least be sober during his ego trip fueled speeches. Correction: Crown Royal fueled ego trip speeches.

Why do the players and the fans of pool put up with it: Simple, what other tournaments are there?
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Jay - did you get a post dated check as well?

What do you think of the YouTube video of Barry?

I would suggest every player call Barry's bank and ask to verify funds before cashing their check.

Taking bets on whether they're good on the date posted?

Here's a little from an older thread:

More Good News from Barry Behrman, U.S. Open Founder Roberta Agnor, U.S. Open
Jun. 10, 2014



I’m very pleased to report that, again, this year’s event will be sanctioned by the World Pool Association and will be a Tier II rankings points event with $72,000 added making the total prize fund $200,000. All added money and players’ entry fees will be secured with Suntrust Bank months in advance. In order to have the event in one ballroom only at the Marriott this year, I’ve developed a new floor plan which is a smaller mirror image of what it was when held at the Chesapeake Conference Center. Having the T.V. arena located in the center of the room and 4 tables on each side. VIP seats for over 200 will go on sale July 1st as the final diagram is being sent out to Pay Pal and of course, those who purchased VIP seats last year will continue to have one week to purchase the same seat or seats prior to anyone else; another U.S. Open tradition. I’m sorry for the delay but I wanted it to be perfect as you deserve it to be.


I wouldn't be surprised that Barry's trying to sell Q's for as much as he is because of debt. He's one loanshark away from living on the street (or in a hospital).
 
Rumors are fun and can spread fast like a wildfire. It's true that some players were unhappy they didn't get paid immediately. The truth is that most of the players who finished from 17th thru 24th, 25th thru 32nd and 33rd thru 48th were paid the next day after being eliminated, most of them in cash! I think ALL these players are completely satisfied now.

The players who finished in higher positions received checks from Barry before leaving yesterday. Most of the checks are dated from one to two weeks away. Almost all players I spoke with were satisfied with this, as long as the checks clear when deposited in their accounts. Even the few who were complaining the loudest the day before gratefully accepted their checks and went home. I do not know of one player who did not receive a check from Barry. Even the top finishers got full payment in the form of two or three checks.

Barry has assured me that ALL checks will clear! If this is the case then all is well and good. I told him that the credibility of his event is on the line and it will live or die depending on whether the payments are all good or not. He understands this and once again assured me that there would be no problems this time. If this is not the case I will not be going back next year.

It was a very difficult job running the Open properly this year. I was understaffed and had to work long hours, but I was committed to making the event run smoothly and I think I succeeded in doing just that. It was a great tournament with a truly World Class field of players, certainly one of the hardest tournaments to win. My hat is off to Shane for his amazing "three peat" and how he handled the super talented Dennis Orcollo in the finals. IMO the two best players all week were in the finals. Thanks to all those people who took the time to thank me for running this event so well. That meant a lot to me to know that my efforts were appreciated.

P.S. FYI there are many major events in the pool world where players do not receive their winnings immediately. Often the money is wired to their bank accounts from one to two weeks out. This is a common practice with the companies that put on these larger events and all the players know this going in. The same is true in professional golf and tennis, so this is not uncommon in the sports world for players to have their payments delayed for a short period of time.

I will only add that I see how devoted Barry is to our sport and to the U.S. Open. His enthusiasm has never waned and he is always looking for ways to make his event bigger and better. For that I will acknowledge him. He is a very misunderstood man and does have an eccentric personality that has grated on me at times. But I see his love for the game and appreciate that because of him we have had a U.S. Open for 39 years! He openly admitted to me that he is not the best at handling money, but will always make sure that all players are paid. He told me that next year he would like to be able to pay all the players with Certified (Bank) checks on the day they are eliminated. I, of course, told him this would be a good thing and end all the rumors once and for all. His past history has branded him and he is sincere in wanting to change that impression.

Jay, If the money is there in the account why did Barry have to post date any checks?

On a separate note I did pay for 3 days of Accu-Stats PPV. Although my stream was choppy and froze at times I did enjoy the matches.
I will say however when Barry got up to speak I was extremely disappointed. Much of the way he delivered his speech did not seem very professional.
I know Barry meant well but he needs to be more professional if he is ever going to sell this event to corporate America which seemed to be his short term plans. I can't imagine if ESPN covered this and I had to listen to Barry ramble like he did. Just my opinion of course.
 
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I will say however when Barry got up to speak I was extremely disappointed as much of the way he delivered his speech did not seem very professional.

For those of us who have suffered through many of his speeches, I would say this year was just about the worst. I was fully expecting him to spew on the TV table and pass out right before our very eyes. Sad to say, it would have been befitting of him to do so.
 
Rumors are fun and can spread fast like a wildfire. It's true that some players were unhappy they didn't get paid immediately. The truth is that most of the players who finished from 17th thru 24th, 25th thru 32nd and 33rd thru 48th were paid the next day after being eliminated, most of them in cash! I think ALL these players are completely satisfied now.

The players who finished in higher positions received checks from Barry before leaving yesterday. Most of the checks are dated from one to two weeks away. Almost all players I spoke with were satisfied with this, as long as the checks clear when deposited in their accounts. Even the few who were complaining the loudest the day before gratefully accepted their checks and went home. I do not know of one player who did not receive a check from Barry. Even the top finishers got full payment in the form of two or three checks.

Barry has assured me that ALL checks will clear! If this is the case then all is well and good. I told him that the credibility of his event is on the line and it will live or die depending on whether the payments are all good or not. He understands this and once again assured me that there would be no problems this time. If this is not the case I will not be going back next year.

It was a very difficult job running the Open properly this year. I was understaffed and had to work long hours, but I was committed to making the event run smoothly and I think I succeeded in doing just that. It was a great tournament with a truly World Class field of players, certainly one of the hardest tournaments to win. My hat is off to Shane for his amazing "three peat" and how he handled the super talented Dennis Orcollo in the finals. IMO the two best players all week were in the finals. Thanks to all those people who took the time to thank me for running this event so well. That meant a lot to me to know that my efforts were appreciated.

P.S. FYI there are many major events in the pool world where players do not receive their winnings immediately. Often the money is wired to their bank accounts from one to two weeks out. This is a common practice with the companies that put on these larger events and all the players know this going in. The same is true in professional golf and tennis, so this is not uncommon in the sports world for players to have their payments delayed for a short period of time.

I will only add that I see how devoted Barry is to our sport and to the U.S. Open. His enthusiasm has never waned and he is always looking for ways to make his event bigger and better. For that I will acknowledge him. He is a very misunderstood man and does have an eccentric personality that has grated on me at times. But I see his love for the game and appreciate that because of him we have had a U.S. Open for 39 years! He openly admitted to me that he is not the best at handling money, but will always make sure that all players are paid. He told me that next year he would like to be able to pay all the players with Certified (Bank) checks on the day they are eliminated. I, of course, told him this would be a good thing and end all the rumors once and for all. His past history has branded him and he is sincere in wanting to change that impression.


Jay, really? What would you expect the players who received the post-dated checks to say, other than they were satisfied? Do you expect them to say how they really feel and risk never getting paid? No. They're pretty much compelled to keep their mouths shut and suck it up.

And drawing a line in the sand, after-the-fact, two weeks from now, is weak stuff.

Lou Figueroa
 
Danny Harriman has gone public about the money he is owed and has taken a stand to not play until he is paid. Say what you want about Danny, but I respect him as a pool player with a backbone.

I agree with Danny also, what excuse is Barry using to not pay Danny his money that he earned by partisapating (spell) in The US open years ago.

This is really terrible too!
 
That was the Mid Atlantic Open or something like that and it was a tournament run by Brady not Barry, so Brady is the one that owes Danny the money. Totally a separate
issue.

Let's combine the issues. It's more fun that way. And Danny has cause he hasn't played in a US Open since.
 
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