That could expose the graphite fibers that would fret off.
Predator Revo shaft full review and deflection test
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That could expose the graphite fibers that would fret off.
To my understanding, the "revolurionary" thing about this shaft is the matterial used and the new technology of making this shaft. (weather this technology is new or not I don't know).
They call it "revolutionary" because this is a new way of constructing a shaft. It is their first shaft made of carbon, so I can assume they are still experimenting to work out what you can do with this technology. If this proves that it worth to be researched more, I'm sure they will work out the details and they will improve it to be able to come in different sizes.
When the first electric car was made, it couldn't go faster than 10mph, and needed to be charged every 20 feet. But it was still a revolutionary car, because it used a non-traditional technology. After years of reaserch we now have the Tesla cars... But the first electric car was still a revolutionary car because it was the first one to use electricity to power the wheels and opened a new field of reaserch and new technology.
But they didn't put it up for sale to market until it was a real car that could function for the mass market.
The new tech is great, I get that. bringing it to market in a one size fits all, having the sales reps say there are no future plans for different size shafts in the new tech (per the previous poster) is the problem.
It seems like a bit of jumping the gun. At least be honest with the cistomer. Or will they wait for sales of revo shaft to top out, THEN release a Revo Z2 and start it all back up. "More low deflection, than the lowest deflection we promised before"
I was really impressed with it when I tested it at the last Turning Stone in the molinari booth. But way too thick of a shaft for my personal choice. Yet predator was telling Ira Lee, the rep for Molinari, that the size was going to be customizable to player specifications, the shaft was still in R&D phase. Then all of a sudden four months later, the Revolution has Begun ads start emerging and its released in one size with limited edition cues.
I guess Shakespeare already uses the name Ugly Stik so..... 
It could have "everything" except it's not wood. Obviously for true wood aficionados that's a no-go no matter what.
As for the price, I would say that's a no-go. Remember when Reyes broke onto the scene, what did his cue cost? Sure, they will sell.
At the moment it will be relegated to a novelty, regardless of the reports by those who have made a few shots with one.
Obviously in the future there will be a lot of engineering and materials in cues that we have yet to see. We all know that is coming, in fact I guess it is here. But we are far from the end of wood cues.
In fact, I would be very confident in saying that in the first year, regardless of supply, more wood cues of the same price, and in fact more expensive, will be sold. And the second year, and the third.
But, things will change and we will see a lot more of this from various additional sources as well. Personally I won't care and probably will never own one. I traded a really pristine Predator that I won off a guy for a C Series McDermott. Honestly, the McD was simply a better cue.
Things change. I don't have to.
So, it's just fugly to me. :wink: Of course, you can always turn the lights off and put a bag over it...er...wrong subject.....
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It could have "everything" except it's not wood. Obviously for true wood aficionados that's a no-go no matter what.
As for the price, I would say that's a no-go. Remember when Reyes broke onto the scene, what did his cue cost? Sure, they will sell.
At the moment it will be relegated to a novelty, regardless of the reports by those who have made a few shots with one.
Obviously in the future there will be a lot of engineering and materials in cues that we have yet to see. We all know that is coming, in fact I guess it is here. But we are far from the end of wood cues.
In fact, I would be very confident in saying that in the first year, regardless of supply, more wood cues of the same price, and in fact more expensive, will be sold. And the second year, and the third.
But, things will change and we will see a lot more of this from various additional sources as well. Personally I won't care and probably will never own one. I traded a really pristine Predator that I won off a guy for a C Series McDermott. Honestly, the McD was simply a better cue.
Things change. I don't have to.
So, it's just fugly to me. :wink: Of course, you can always turn the lights off and put a bag over it...er...wrong subject.....
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Well it's not a "novelty" for the players that are using it. Tony Robles has been playing with it for more than a year. I'm getting fitted for one in a couple of weeks, so I'll be posting my own observations, and letting a LOT of people hit with it. :thumbup:
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Jasmin Ouschan won 2x gold medals with it last week and just won the Euro Tour Austrian Championship, 3x titles in a week. Pretty sporty if you ask me.
I will never understand why people justify equipment by saying that a pro won with it. Efren won with a softwood dowel of a cue stick. So go use that if that's your logic!
Its a carbon composite, will not break down over time. Should play the same. Tony Robles has had a prototype for quite some time now and says it hits just as amazing as day one.
The shaft weighs in a range of 4.0 oz +/- .2oz comparable to any other wood shaft on the market.
There is a foam injection in which you would not be able to modify the weight.
Graphite does not belong in the same class as aerospace grade carbon composite. The proof is in the pudding, not a marketing thing here, every person I watched hit this shaft at SBX was not only pleased, but the action was visible.
They released the shaft with the 20th LE because they wanted their best product in the way of technology to be paired with their symbol of 20 years in the industry, exemplary of their technology in the butt builds, and beauty with the amazing inlays.
Take your custom cue order to Joe Pechauer, or Dave Jacoby, or Ariel Carmeli and ask them to place 400+ inlays in your cue and then come back and tell me what your price tag was....
Just curious of what diameters and tapers you have published? Where is your robot? How much time and money have you spent on R&D? Where are the results of your latest prototype? At what point did you find that a larger diameter shaft that is spliced and laminated with the long or short grains, higher or lower density, proved to be insufficient? I could go on for days..
Sounds to me like you're just upset that they did not make the same diameter as your current shaft, give it time! They are in the forefront of the industry for a reason..
I didn't justify anything, i was answering to the comment about seeing pros win with it. I was sharing information that may not be transparent to everyone. Anyone can potentially win with anything, however Jasmin won with that. just a fact is all. good day sir.
its new to the billiards industry, but its not new.....they been making prepeg carbon and doing unidirectional in many other products for a long time, products used alot in high end race cars, planes and bikes......even that molecular foam description sound like something thats been on the market for a min.....and actually sort of coincides with this shafts release......i did quality control for american composite group for a while when i lived in oklahoma and learned quite a bit about the stuff.
Generally the weaves you see on the outside of structures made of carbon fiber is only there for cosmetic look.....all the weaves are basically the same "stiffness" and its usually over a uniidirectional underlayer.....outer layer of shaft looks like it is probably a paper style carbon or a granulated style prepeg.......
the "hardness" has nothing to do with the actual carbon fiber...that quality is gotten from the RESIN.
I will say that at least they were smart enough not to have some dumbass weave pattern on the top layer.....
prepeg is great because you get lower resin to fiber ratio, which makes it stronger than taking carbon fabric and drowning it in resin then vacumming.....tho the downsideis that prepeg must be heated to cure...over couple hundred in general. If onejust got the fabric you could use any resin, CA or epoxy to make carbon products without the heating, but without fatory conditions your resin content will be around 50/50 resin to fiber and its not nearly as strong all around as prepeg which is around 30 something odd percent resin, 70 something on fiber.
they been trying to make ivory substitutes for over 100 years, been trying to find WH micarta or get substitutes.....neither for example have ever cut the cake perfectly........sure it works....its close.....but you know before your born....one more or less chromosome can make you a guy or a chick...
food for thought,
-greyghost
what i would prefer to see imop would be the same basic build they have done with this.....as a wide core for a straight grain maple outer tube....not radially spliced maple.....a thin tube, fully cored with their new pish posh....
it would be the first i'd even entertain the thought of buying when it comes to laminated shafts........EVER. And remember lamination and bla bla bla are manufacturing techniques to save on material costs and have more consistent product with less cost, less waste....it doesn't take carbon, foam and laminates to do a Low Deflection shaft/cue.
one thing i always loved about Royce Brunell.....didnt hog wash and feed us bullshit that oh the cool radial laminate they do is what actually made it tick performance wise......well in some very very small ways possibly but its just a smart manufacturing technique for a better product coming out of a high quantity production facility.
which is a HUGE deal.....thats as important as anything you can think when building cues in a high production facility.....time and waste cost millions.
it would be the first i'd even entertain the thought of buying when it comes to laminated shafts........EVER. And remember lamination and bla bla bla are manufacturing techniques to save on material costs and have more consistent product with less cost, less waste....it doesn't take carbon, foam and laminates to do a Low Deflection shaft/cue.
one thing i always loved about Royce Brunell.....didnt hog wash and feed us bullshit that oh the cool radial laminate they do is what actually made it tick performance wise......well in some very very small ways possibly but its just a smart manufacturing technique for a better product coming out of a high quantity production facility.
which is a HUGE deal.....thats as important as anything you can think when building cues in a high production facility.....time and waste cost millions.
in a way your both right.....but imop Cardigan is even more so......if a custom maker did that.....there would be a got dam uproar.