I can drive accurately 300+ yards. i Could drive a ball onto a green with a 80 yrd circumference from 200 yds away more times than i could leave a cue ball within an inch of my desired leave after potting a a thin cut with top inside english? yes and i dont play golf a lot. It depends what your goals are in either sport. either sport is infinitely difficult if that makes sense. it depends how precise you are trying to get.
pro players are they the best instructors?
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I can drive accurately 300+ yards. i Could drive a ball onto a green with a 80 yrd circumference from 200 yds away more times than i could leave a cue ball within an inch of my desired leave after potting a a thin cut with top inside english? yes and i dont play golf a lot. It depends what your goals are in either sport. either sport is infinitely difficult if that makes sense. it depends how precise you are trying to get.
You are referring to more of the mental aspect IMO. Look at the physical shape of most (not all) golf pros vs most (not all) pool pros. You can get away with being out of shape and still shoot a top game in pool, but it is a lot harder to in golf going 4 days in a major to do the same for 72 holes...just an opinion. Most likely the best in each game are in good shape...I am referring to as a whole.
Don't give me the John Daly as an example from golf...there are a few extreme ones out there that can pull it off
yep. It seems they either goes that way, or go the route of "I'm an instructor certified by ____ and you have no credentials at all, how dare you call yourself an instructor "
obclassicut...Actually the stats say different. More people play pool than golf. Among the hard cores in each sport, I sincerely doubt whether golf is played "10x as much as pool in America"! :grin:
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I have to say, Scott, I absolutely agree with you on this post.
I have to say, Scott, I absolutely agree with you on this post. I take back my challenge. 'The Game Can Be OUR Teacher' 
I have to say, Scott, I absolutely agree with you on this post. I take back my challenge.
'The Game Can Be OUR Teacher' I saw in the video scott playing pool, it was not of him teaching. Big difference. I have to say this you lose a lot of credibility when you put down another instructor. Imo of course. Especially one with a rep like Scotts. The dvd i bought last week had a lot of fluff in it. A lot of look at me do what i do. I spent 6 days in pool school and randy shot one time. Yet he in my mind best teacher. I had to dig through this dvd for real info i could use. And i will recomend ur dvd. Everyone has a different method or style of teaching, but the goal is to educate the student. Dont lose sight trying to defend ur method...
The "credentials" of an instructor are validated by their students' opportunity for improvement (through disciplined practice). Either they learn...or they don't. Pretty simple.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
yep. It seems they either goes that way, or go the route of "I'm an instructor certified by ____ and you have no credentials at all, how dare you call yourself an instructor "
You are referring to more of the mental aspect IMO. Look at the physical shape of most (not all) golf pros vs most (not all) pool pros. You can get away with being out of shape and still shoot a top game in pool, but it is a lot harder to in golf going 4 days in a major to do the same for 72 holes...just an opinion. Most likely the best in each game are in good shape...I am referring to as a whole.
Don't give me the John Daly as an example from golf...there are a few extreme ones out there that can pull it off
I dunno, I still don't see it as all that physical of a sport, either one. And although you can debate whether that's a mental aspect or physical aspect, it is the area where fatigue really comes from. On a golf tournament with groups of 4, you seriously have what at the absolute least 10-15 minutes between each stroke if not longer, with a golf cart to drive you between them. Pool's intensity is sustained the whole time. Then again, I'm in better shape than most pro golfers or pool players so maybe i'm less than a perfect judge on how much physical effort it is
But I'd easily feel far less worn out from playing golf for 5 hours than from playing pool for 5 hours.
At least you know how much weight you acually need. That disproves the rumor that you're a nit and a "lock up artist". 'The Game is the Teacher'
I'll give you the 3 and the Break, how about those apples, you do like apples don't you?
That's funny
They really think they can teach what you could teach?
They have lost their minds
Wait a minute
C.J.
Pick me. You used one of my cues in cal. tournaments. So I think it only
fair that you choose me. If you don't I'm going to a real pool school I read
about where they guarantee I will be a strong 3 or I get to take the course
over for half price plus,( and get this) a diploma suitable for framing.
Top that .
jack
C.J.
Pick me. You used one of my cues in cal. tournaments. So I think it only
fair that you choose me. If you don't I'm going to a real pool school I read
about where they guarantee I will be a strong 3 or I get to take the course
over for half price plus,( and get this) a diploma suitable for framing.
Top that .
jack
does anyone think that video showed scotts A game????
bottom line imo
as i mentioned before
and as has been mentioned
instructors are probably better at teaching/analyzing fundamentals
pros are probably better at teaching you how to play(strategy/position play etc)
some can do both well
bottom line imo
as i mentioned before
and as has been mentioned
instructors are probably better at teaching/analyzing fundamentals
pros are probably better at teaching you how to play(strategy/position play etc)
some can do both well
I am not going to list ALL the reasons why golf is more difficult than pool, however, to touch on the points, no you rarely hit within 30 seconds, but, a typical race is to 9 or 11. An hour to an hour and a half max. You then can rest or eat or whatever. Golf is 4.5 hours and it never stops. You are constantly monitoring your game, evaluating conditions, reacting to weather, and constantly in talks with your caddy to keep the game plan rolling. You never get a break during the 4.5 hours. If you have a time delay between shots it isnt a break, rather, an enhanced mental challenge to stay focused and not allow the body to stiffen up or doubt to creep in. Plus, in pool your rest period is in a chair...golf you need to walk the course. I conceed that both have high level mental strain but add in the physical demands of golf and I dont think it is even close which is more effort...golf.
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Shoebat
I've had useless crap lessons from some and inspiring, mindblowing ones from others. And I don't think their pro/ instructor backgrounds were the real difference- I think it's the way we got along.
The main things seem to be:
A. Does the person know and understand more than you do?
B. Can the two of you communicate and understand each other in such a way that you can benefit from their knowledge?
It's not about either pro or certified instructor. It's about how the two of you personally meld. You both have to be able to listen and watch meaningfully, and to both speak in a way that shares and accepts viewpoints, knowledge and growth.
Teaching and learning are both work. If just one of you is distracted, unpresent, or caught up in yourself or your own agenda, the lesson is going nowhere and just wasting time and money.
The main things seem to be:
A. Does the person know and understand more than you do?
B. Can the two of you communicate and understand each other in such a way that you can benefit from their knowledge?
It's not about either pro or certified instructor. It's about how the two of you personally meld. You both have to be able to listen and watch meaningfully, and to both speak in a way that shares and accepts viewpoints, knowledge and growth.
Teaching and learning are both work. If just one of you is distracted, unpresent, or caught up in yourself or your own agenda, the lesson is going nowhere and just wasting time and money.
there is more than one right answer.. it depends on your weaknesses
if you need to tighten up your mechanics, and cue ball control go with the certified instructors as a rule.
if you need help with patterns, strategy, and shot selection the the pro player would be the best choice.
but the fact is most players simply cannot execute professional level shots due to their mechanics.. so advanced strategy, and techniques really have little value for them.
if you need to tighten up your mechanics, and cue ball control go with the certified instructors as a rule.
if you need help with patterns, strategy, and shot selection the the pro player would be the best choice.
but the fact is most players simply cannot execute professional level shots due to their mechanics.. so advanced strategy, and techniques really have little value for them.
no one's going to believe how much you improve using the Touch Of Inside
That sounds like a fair offer, where are you living now? How are we going to determine your progress. We will need a true gauge for improvement or no one's going to believe how much you improve using the Touch Of Inside playing technique.
Does anyone have fair guidelines for this type challenge? Surely someone has a way to test and re-test a player for this purpose?
That sounds like a fair offer, where are you living now? How are we going to determine your progress. We will need a true gauge for improvement or no one's going to believe how much you improve using the Touch Of Inside playing technique.
Does anyone have fair guidelines for this type challenge? Surely someone has a way to test and re-test a player for this purpose?
Come on Chris...get real. Sure there are things CJ can teach, that I can't...no argument there. Conversely, there are things I can teach someone that he has no clue about...so it's a push.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
My opinion is no, pros are not, typically, the best instructors.
Teaching superstars like Jerry Briesath, Mark Wilson, Randy Gottlicher, Scott Lee, and Stan Shuffett have spent as much time refining their teaching materials and teaching skills as the typical professional player has spent refining his/her pool skills and have far more experience in analyzing the mechanics and strokes of even world championship level players, so many of whom are inclined to seek out these guys when they need help.
I would also argue that the great instructors have communication skills that are superior to the vast majority of the top players.
Needless to say, there are some exceptions to the rule and some pro players are, in fact, exceptional instructors.
Teaching superstars like Jerry Briesath, Mark Wilson, Randy Gottlicher, Scott Lee, and Stan Shuffett have spent as much time refining their teaching materials and teaching skills as the typical professional player has spent refining his/her pool skills and have far more experience in analyzing the mechanics and strokes of even world championship level players, so many of whom are inclined to seek out these guys when they need help.
I would also argue that the great instructors have communication skills that are superior to the vast majority of the top players.
Needless to say, there are some exceptions to the rule and some pro players are, in fact, exceptional instructors.
Hard to say. I think it would be difficult to get an honest, accurate read of someones overall game from a snapshot in time. Who has he beat? Who is has beaten him? What are his weaknesses and strengths? How is his tournament record? (none of this is actually aimed at you jackpot)
You would have to develop some sort of base line to work from.
And even then it would take some time after his training to get honest, lasting results.
Not to mention the phenomenon that occurs when someone learns a new way of playing. Often they play worse for awhile if you know what I mean. Not everyone of course, but I have seen it happen alot.
I'm certainly sure you, Scott, have a very weak position here. Are you sure?
We agree again, Scott, I have no clue what it's like to ask someone for the 2 out and the break and then say I can teach things "they have no clue about".
What did Chris say "have you lost your mind?" I'm certainly sure you, Scott, have a very weak position here. Are you sure you want to precede?
We agree again, Scott, I have no clue what it's like to ask someone for the 2 out and the break and then say I can teach things "they have no clue about".
What did Chris say "have you lost your mind?" I'm certainly sure you, Scott, have a very weak position here. Are you sure you want to precede?
I'd say let him play the ghost 20 times. Do a live stream at a certain time so everyone can see there is no editing.
Then do another live stream three weeks later, or however long, playing the ghost again.