Questionable/shady dealings here on az opinions wanted

POOLPLYR1111

POOLPLYR1111

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Before the az police chime in i have an ob2 pro shaft with a new ultra skin tip for sale. Barely used. Price is $180 shipped

thats what i have for sale. Now onto the feature presentation.

Completed a trade deal for my scruggs hoppe cue on may 5, 2014. This particular az'er sent me an offer via email and i accepted.

In the deal i was to receive a cue + cash for the scruggs hoppe. Both parties were to ship their cues on monday may 5, 2014.

May 5, 2014 i ship my scruggs hoppe priority mail insured.

Later on in the day while im at work i receive a voice mail from the other party asking me to call him.

For those of you who dont know i am a corrections officer and cell phones in jails are frowned upon and illegal. Plus i work 60+ hrs a week.

Im able to call this gentleman where he explains to me that he forgot that he once promised the cue he was going to trade me to a friend of his if it ever became available. In this conversation he states that he is a "man of his word" and to think about the situation. Im assuming i have a choice in this matter. Silly me. In the next day or 2 i contact this person and basically say that since your a man of your word you should complete our deal as agreed upon. Now this person still has not received the cue yet from me but states this - technically we dont have a deal because both parties arent happy in the deal?

To rectify this situation i offered to do the following.
A) accept another cue in trade with cash able to swing each way to complete a deal.
B) sell the cue to your friend like you stated and give me the money to complete our deal.

I never even received a response about these possible solutions.

Hasnt received the cue yet but was prepared to play the im not happy with the deal card.

Now here is the reason i am ticked and posting this today. This person already informed me that he will be refusing delivery of this cue and that his post master has already been notified. As an act of good faith i was reimbursed my shipping fees and he has had his paypal funds refunded.

Through tracking online it states that my cue is still sitting in his hometown post office. I go to my post office today to see if they have a more up to date status on my package and was told the following.

Due to the fact that the package was refused the post office is no real hurry to return to the original sender and that it could take as long as 30 days to receive it back.

Are you f****** kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been an az'er for many years and have made some awesome friends here.

I have never had a deal go ass backwards like this one.

On top of that the person in question has a significant itrader rating.

I just want to hear some opinions here guys. Im not bitter that a deal was not completed. I can live without the cue or cash in question but now that my cue is tied up in post office limbo really does suck.
 
The other AZer should have never refused delivery of the cue. Instead, he should have accepted the package and shipped it back to you the next business day, at the latest. Refusing the cue was a plain lazy act.
 
He approached you, wanting your cue, yes? Then he should have shipped first to you for approval in the deal, and then you ship the Scruggs. This is precisely why these "two cues passing in the night" type deals are generally bad ideas. Somebody should be driving the train on a deal.

Sounds like he pulled out of the deal, plain and simple, after you guys entered into the agreement. Bad form....very bad form. Can't say I'm surprised. Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to these new breed of AZers on here. For many of them, their word is no good. Had my share of mishaps lately with non-buyers, too. Getting to be too common nowadays.
 
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The classified section should be renamed "As the world turns..." Enough drama around this joint to float a boat!
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
Before the az police chime in i have an ob2 pro shaft with a new ultra skin tip for sale. Barely used. Price is $180 shipped

thats what i have for sale. Now onto the feature presentation.

Completed a trade deal for my scruggs hoppe cue on may 5, 2014. This particular az'er sent me an offer via email and i accepted.

In the deal i was to receive a cue + cash for the scruggs hoppe. Both parties were to ship their cues on monday may 5, 2014.

May 5, 2014 i ship my scruggs hoppe priority mail insured.

Later on in the day while im at work i receive a voice mail from the other party asking me to call him.

For those of you who dont know i am a corrections officer and cell phones in jails are frowned upon and illegal. Plus i work 60+ hrs a week.

Im able to call this gentleman where he explains to me that he forgot that he once promised the cue he was going to trade me to a friend of his if it ever became available. In this conversation he states that he is a "man of his word" and to think about the situation. Im assuming i have a choice in this matter. Silly me. In the next day or 2 i contact this person and basically say that since your a man of your word you should complete our deal as agreed upon. Now this person still has not received the cue yet from me but states this - technically we dont have a deal because both parties arent happy in the deal?

To rectify this situation i offered to do the following.
A) accept another cue in trade with cash able to swing each way to complete a deal.
B) sell the cue to your friend like you stated and give me the money to complete our deal.

I never even received a response about these possible solutions.

Hasnt received the cue yet but was prepared to play the im not happy with the deal card.

Now here is the reason i am ticked and posting this today. This person already informed me that he will be refusing delivery of this cue and that his post master has already been notified. As an act of good faith i was reimbursed my shipping fees and he has had his paypal funds refunded.

Through tracking online it states that my cue is still sitting in his hometown post office. I go to my post office today to see if they have a more up to date status on my package and was told the following.

Due to the fact that the package was refused the post office is no real hurry to return to the original sender and that it could take as long as 30 days to receive it back.

Are you f****** kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been an az'er for many years and have made some awesome friends here.

I have never had a deal go ass backwards like this one.

On top of that the person in question has a significant itrader rating.

I just want to hear some opinions here guys. Im not bitter that a deal was not completed. I can live without the cue or cash in question but now that my cue is tied up in post office limbo really does suck.
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The guy owes you an apology and I believe he did not think it would not be returned to sender IMMEDIATELY!!!

It was handled VERY poorly in my opinion and I am certain the member knew what date you were shipping and knew before that date he was going to have a change of heart.

People in the world are just plain RUDE!!! It is not them dealing with the fall out from this and the deal went the way they wanted it to go. They will come on and cry the blues like they are being raked over the coals if outed and instantly go into damage control to keep their good name from tarnishing.

Sad part is a month later no one will remember! He may have done you a favor cause the cue may play POORLY. You just never know??? But, I hate to hear these stories. I have lobbied for added features to the wanted for sale section to shop more locally like craigs list. That way, it promotes a cash and carry scenario at a local billiard parlor.

Kd
 
I sympathize but the thread is pointless if you do not point the member out...this thread will just get bumped all day with people *****ing. Let's at least have the name so the cult has somebody to actually be mad at.
 
First of all, good luck with the sale of you're OB2 Pro shaft.

As usual we have to hear the other side of the story, but refusing the shipment was not a good move, and rather cold blooded.
You don't have your cue because he refused the shipment, you don't have his cue, you don't have the money, and it has actually cost you time & money.
I hope there is a good explanation because so far this sounds like a quadruple whammy for you.
 
bad deal

I want to give this az'er a chance to respond first.

what I have said is 100% the truth

I can provide all tracking info as well
 
Never ship at the same time.

You are contacted. They send you money and Cue for your satisfaction. Then you send their Cue for their satisfaction.
Every horror story almost always starts We were to ship at the same time.
Good luck,
Nick :)
 
You got done wrong....he should have accepted the cue and reshipped it.

Try calling the local postmaster at his post office where the cue is. If you talk nice to him, he might help get it underway. Hell, if it was me, I would ask if I could pay expedited, insured shipping on the package.....he/she might let you so you could get it quicker.

I feel for you. During the cold weather, I had a cue stuck in a backed up, weather delayed container in Baltimore for 2 weeks. The package literally arrived in 2 separate pieces, taped together by usps. Miraculously, the cue was well wrapped inside the usps triangle case and was unharmed.

A month is a long time for a cue to sit in a usps container....I hope it all goes well for you.
Joe
 
Bamacues said:
You got done wrong....he should have accepted the cue and reshipped it.

Try calling the local postmaster at his post office where the cue is. If you talk nice to him, he might help get it underway. Hell, if it was me, I would ask if I could pay expedited, insured shipping on the package.....he/she might let you so you could get it quicker.

I feel for you. During the cold weather, I had a cue stuck in a backed up, weather delayed container in Baltimore for 2 weeks. The package literally arrived in 2 separate pieces, taped together by usps. Miraculously, the cue was well wrapped inside the usps triangle case and was unharmed.

A month is a long time for a cue to sit in a usps container....I hope it all goes well for you.
Joe
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Joe

Yup right. The guy refused delivery so he wouldn't have to pay return shipping, and its always risky. Doesn't make him a bad guy, he might not have known and just figured he would get the same service but for free.

Talking nicely to the Post Master can work miracles. In any event, the sender of a package can always "interrupt" a delivery with USPS. On an interrupt you have to pay Priority Mail rates (and they ship it priority). I'd definitely go with calling the Post Master and explaining that the refuse hurts you and ask for some consideration.

Kevin
 
Trade not gone as expected? Impossible!

I did not want to reply, but for the first time in my life my opinion is
wanted (according to the thread title).

Here's my opinion: Don't make a trade "deal" unless you enjoy drama.
You see, what you have here is two people both trying to come out as
winners. Wouldn't that just be a perfect slice of humanity pie?!
Unfortunately we live on planet Earth and it doesn't always work out
that way.

I have never traded, and I have never had a problem. That's no
coincidence. I never even imagined the theory of trading pool cues
until I visited these forums, and I still think it is crazy to trade
something with someone you don't even know. Only good friends
are reliable and trustworthy enough to make a trade with, and even
then you risk losing a friendship over a stupid cue.

Every time I see a thread like this I picture two hopeless felons in
a state penitentiary arguing about how many cigarettes they should
give up for a Snickers. I live on the outside. If I want cigarettes, I
buy cigarettes. If I want a Snickers, I buy a Snickers. If I want
something I can't afford, I sell something I already have so that I can
afford it. Or you can spend hours trying to finagle random strangers
online until you come out ahead, at the risk of unnecessary drama
and wasted time that you see here.

Good luck with all this. Quite frankly I wish you iTrader connoisseurs
had your own dedicated forum to argue about who screwed who.
Decide there which person should be lynched. I have honestly had
more interesting arguments with my girlfriend about who scratched
who's back the longest.

:boring2: :boring2: :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:
 
nick serdula said:
They usually return using the service you paid for. Insured for your amount.
Nick :)
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Nick

Sorry but i don't know what you mean by "return". if you are talking about the USPS interrupting a delivery and shipping it back to the sender, there is no usually to it. They always go Priority Mail rates. If its an over the counter return then the postage is paid over the counter and you get the service you pay for.

If you are referring to a refused delivery return, that is true but it can be way way slow and super mistake prone.

Kevin
 
bad deal

josh I don't wish it on anyone but whether your buying,trading, or selling there is always risk.

a lot of us on here love the game,sport,hobby and we like to try different cues. we make deals through cash,trades,barter etc to acquire things were interested in. sort of like trading in a car at a dealership.

until something like this happens to you I guess you cant or refuse to understand.

in a nutshell I am currently out a $1500-$1800 cue. whether I bought it, traded for it, or sucked someone off for it is completely irrelevant.

also in the state penn felons don't argue. at the end of the day someone is gonna get snuck and knocked out or shanked in the neck. I don't advocate that behavior but I completely understand why it happens.
 
The moment you sent the cue and gave him the tracking number
The deal is done imo
If the buyer refused shipping imo it is his problem not yours
But don't forget this is just a f......ing shady
Well idk what to do here and how to help you. ....sorry to here that
Hope it works out for you Ron
Chris
 
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hustler4483 said:
I sympathize but the thread is pointless if you do not point the member out...this thread will just get bumped all day with people *****ing. Let's at least have the name so the cult has somebody to actually be mad at.
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I would like the name to save myself a headache from ever dealing with someone like that.
 
Ron,
Oopsy.. you know Ron.. this is a NON Deal.. no harm no foul... you have to wait for the cue to come back.. you can't negative itrader him.. just because its a NON DEAL... you know like saying yes, then not following through... oh well... SOL pal... you know that new breed of cue flipper doesn't want to be outted so you can't say anything....


well there is the sarcastic version...

Now hang the f*cker and screw his mom and his dog to... :angry:

JV
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
Before the az police chime in i have an ob2 pro shaft with a new ultra skin tip for sale. Barely used. Price is $180 shipped

thats what i have for sale. Now onto the feature presentation.

Completed a trade deal for my scruggs hoppe cue on may 5, 2014. This particular az'er sent me an offer via email and i accepted.

In the deal i was to receive a cue + cash for the scruggs hoppe. Both parties were to ship their cues on monday may 5, 2014.

May 5, 2014 i ship my scruggs hoppe priority mail insured.

Later on in the day while im at work i receive a voice mail from the other party asking me to call him.

For those of you who dont know i am a corrections officer and cell phones in jails are frowned upon and illegal. Plus i work 60+ hrs a week.

Im able to call this gentleman where he explains to me that he forgot that he once promised the cue he was going to trade me to a friend of his if it ever became available. In this conversation he states that he is a "man of his word" and to think about the situation. Im assuming i have a choice in this matter. Silly me. In the next day or 2 i contact this person and basically say that since your a man of your word you should complete our deal as agreed upon. Now this person still has not received the cue yet from me but states this - technically we dont have a deal because both parties arent happy in the deal?

To rectify this situation i offered to do the following.
A) accept another cue in trade with cash able to swing each way to complete a deal.
B) sell the cue to your friend like you stated and give me the money to complete our deal.

I never even received a response about these possible solutions.

Hasnt received the cue yet but was prepared to play the im not happy with the deal card.

Now here is the reason i am ticked and posting this today. This person already informed me that he will be refusing delivery of this cue and that his post master has already been notified. As an act of good faith i was reimbursed my shipping fees and he has had his paypal funds refunded.

Through tracking online it states that my cue is still sitting in his hometown post office. I go to my post office today to see if they have a more up to date status on my package and was told the following.

Due to the fact that the package was refused the post office is no real hurry to return to the original sender and that it could take as long as 30 days to receive it back.

Are you f****** kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been an az'er for many years and have made some awesome friends here.

I have never had a deal go ass backwards like this one.

On top of that the person in question has a significant itrader rating.

I just want to hear some opinions here guys. Im not bitter that a deal was not completed. I can live without the cue or cash in question but now that my cue is tied up in post office limbo really does suck.
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Ron;

I'm gonna make this short & sweet. No, forget that, not possible.

for everyone else - Not everything is black & white.

I was interested in your ts, tried a couple cues to trade, I finally thought about a Jensen I had, you liked it - we agreed.

I paypalled you my money, you shipped like lightning (thanks) I told you I might not get a chance to ship til the next day, Tuesday.

Then I got reminded that I promised a good friend this cue if I ever was going to let it go. wtf! I put myself in a real spot.

I immediately tried calling, pm'ing, and emailing you all with no luck - that was Monday.

Tried to call you again Tuesday morning - no luck.

You reached me by phone Tuesday night, I was playing in a tourney. Told you the awkward crappy news, apologized profusely, and you acted very understanding I told you I would cover your shipping, you asked if I had any other poss cues we could trade - told you I'd check what I had just as soon as I got home that night, and did.

Unfortunately, the only other steel jointed 5/16 14 cues (your requirement) I had were the one ts I had already offered which you passed on and all others were my high end ts collectibles.

when I told you this news, you stopped being nice, began getting strong with me told me I was trying moves on you, you insisted we had a deal and even told me that my friend could deal with you now if he wants this cue.

I told you about 5 times I was sorry. and that it was an honest mistake I made. I had to break my word to someone, what's fair? By default, I went with who I promised first.

and btw, did you think I sent $950 to you because I didn't want to do biz? :confused:

I have over 1350 all positive deals on eBay, never a negative, and my iTrader here isn't too bad either.

you knew my track record, you and I have even enjoyed some wagering over on the action forum. No problems, right?

So after telling you that I had this uncharacteristic fvk up, and my track record is what it is, essentially throwing myself on the mercy of the court, you still figured you needed to call me out here with your opinion poll? :rolleyes:

You seem to have some mighty thin skin for someone who works with convicts. Maybe you're in admin.

Regarding the post office end of it, I called the postmaster at my local po, asked what would be the best thing to do in this situation, as far as *getting the cue back to you timely*.

She said that if I do not accept delivery (which I was no way going to be accepting given your big mood swing, the ranting, and comments like my friend can buy my cue from you - and that my close to a g-note was in your acct) that your package will be turned around the same day, that there is no hold of any kind placed on such packages. In fact, she took my number and told me that she would call me and tell me when it arrives and will go out. And she did. If you're thinking that because the tracking says the package is still in my town, that it really is, then you're placing too much value on their shitty tracking system. Basically, they can tell you when something shipped and when it arrives - not much in between.

Her name is Jenna if you care to confirm any of what I've stated.

the end.

best,
brian kc
 
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brian, this was very easy to handle and to make work where both of you would have been happy if you really wanted to go through w/ ur deal. you said youre a man of your word and that's apparentally so important to you that you backed out of this deal after stuff was shipped and money was paid and all that stuff. so now you cant do the deal bc your friend gets dibs on ur cue. all you had to do was ask your friend how much he needed for that cue and get the money and give him the cue, then send that money to Ron along w/ the rest of the money that you had already paid him. and if that way wouldn't exactly work for ya then u could have sold the cue to your friend and simply ask Ron how much more money he needed to complete the deal. Either way , if your word meant so much that you could back out of a deal that's already made(lets face it, once that money was already sent and cue sent then at the point you realized you had offered your friend that cue ,it wasn't ur cue anymore. it was still In ur possession but you didn't own it anymore) then it seems like you would have felt compelled to honor your word w/ Ron the best you could at this point and worked something out. there was such an easy solution that it seems like you just came up w/ an excuse. I mean, how hard is it to just sell the cue to ur friend lie u said you were gonna do and send money Ron. from what ive read it really just seems like Ron wanted the deal to go through and would have worked w/ ya. You said he started getting "strong" with ya. well that's prolly bc after it was clear you wouldn't be working the deal anymore no matter what that you were just changing your mind in fact it had nothing to do w/ some friend who was supposed to get the cue. your story basically contradicts itself and you pretty much insulted ron by even telling him it and then slapped him on top of that by tying up his cue. not that you meant to but geez, you need to apologize to the guy at least.
 
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