Rating One Pocket Players
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Marvel said:Ok. I take Evgeny Stalev
I saw Evgeny play Efren with 7-8 handicap. They played 20gbp (40usd) per rack.
Evgeny wasn't motivated and lost few racks and quit.
Later in the evening Evgeny played Bustamante. I saw Evgeny making amazing shots, his motivation was high. Later I saw Busty paying him some cash and leaving the table with frustration on his face.
I asked Evgeny how much he won. He said "200 pounds (400 dollars), score 5-0". I asked how much he got weight, Evgeny answered "Nothing of course, Bustamante cannot play One Pocket"
Later I saw him beat Efren for few racks also.
That happened in Cardiff, either 01, 02 or 03.
I don't know how much Evgeny's Pyramid career has taken from his pool skills, but I believe he's one of the top One Pocket players in the world today, still.
I'm not a gambler, if I was, I could take easy 5k from you Jay
Ronnie Alcano gave lot's of credit to "russian boy" about 1pkt also..
Okay, I stand corrected. I forgot about him. Thanks for the heads up. I do know he plays very good One Pocket. How good, no one seems to really know. He can give Ike a ball and I'll let him play anyway.
jay helfert said:
Yes, I thought you forgot him.
I believe Efren and other filipinos can enlighten you how good he can play One Pocket, maybe some others from west coast USA also.
I believe he can play even with anybody except Efren, but that is just a hunch.
He's very moody. My example from Cardiff was a good pointer about it. With Efren, as he respected him very much, he sort of forfeited before he started. With Busty, as he had in his mind that "Bustamante cannot play 1-hole", he played GREAT, and Django didn't have a chance.
I remember later, when Evgeny took couple of twenties away from Efren also, (this could be the next year) all the rest of the Pinoy team were woofing around as their Maestro's was challenged, but no-one really wanted to play him. That included Alex and Ronnie..
Of course those "twenty pounds a rack" are different than 10000$ and 10 ahead, so Efren wasn't giving his all either, but Busty for sure was beaten..
But, They DO Look Alike
LOL, oh well, there goes Billy's thread.
Someone (was it Yogi) once said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
D.
( Yogi Berra, not Yogi Bear )
LOL, oh well, there goes Billy's thread.
Someone (was it Yogi) once said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
D.
( Yogi Berra, not Yogi Bear )
Shawn Armstrong said:
Shawn, just give up.
Busty hasn't lived in Germany since last millenium, and Europeans are light years from Americans in One Pocket.
The interest is here now, so maybe this 'light year' could be few years, but we are far from top ten at the moment. Believe me.
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At one time I did beat everyone that I played,playing 9 ball.1972 to be exact. I quit playing around 1974 ,and then returned around 1981. The only player that I didn't play was Lassiter. I honestly don't think I would of beaten him if we had of played. I'm pretty bad on years, but around 1984 I think I could of given any American player big problems playing one pocket. I remember 3 one pocket tournaments that I finished second twice and third once. All around the same time.Joyner beat me 5to4 in the finals of the US Open in Kalamazoo, I couldn't sleep the night before the final match. Too nervous, I never have been regarded as a tournament player. Same thing happened to me in Roanoke Va.when Dave Bollman defeated me 5 to 4 in the finals. Mike Sigel beat me in the semi finals,the year Varner won in ,I believe Baltimore.
watchez said:
At one time I did beat everyone that I played,playing 9 ball.1972 to be exact. I quit playing around 1974 ,and then returned around 1981. The only player that I didn't play was Lassiter. I honestly don't think I would of beaten him if we had of played. I'm pretty bad on years, but around 1984 I think I could of given any American player big problems playing one pocket. I remember 3 one pocket tournaments that I finished second twice and third once. All around the same time.Joyner beat me 5to4 in the finals of the US Open in Kalamazoo, I couldn't sleep the night before the final match. Too nervous, I never have been regarded as a tournament player. Same thing happened to me in Roanoke Va.when Dave Bollman defeated me 5 to 4 in the finals. Mike Sigel beat me in the semi finals,the year Varner won in ,I believe Baltimore.
Bill thanks so much for posting your thoughts on the board. IMO you just brought up the quality a 100%. There are always a lot of negative minded jerks to wank your chain. Please pay no mind to them. They just want attention. This is your list and I appreciate your thoughts. As I have your wonderful tape from Accu Stats that talks about the theory of the game. Every one should get a copy.
Now about Efren. I have seen him live against local guys and some tournaments but in 2005 I specifically went to DCC to watch him play against the best. Every night he just amazed me playing all comers at night and tournament in the day. He was non stop.I saw him destroy Cory and Tang with almost no effort.Giving everyone weight. His shots was trememendous and even the pros would come down at 2 in the morning just to watch Efren play. People were just shaking their heads saying this guy is from another planet. There were just no words to describe his talent.
Now about Efren. I have seen him live against local guys and some tournaments but in 2005 I specifically went to DCC to watch him play against the best. Every night he just amazed me playing all comers at night and tournament in the day. He was non stop.I saw him destroy Cory and Tang with almost no effort.Giving everyone weight. His shots was trememendous and even the pros would come down at 2 in the morning just to watch Efren play. People were just shaking their heads saying this guy is from another planet. There were just no words to describe his talent.
no doubt and exactly the way i felt when i saw him play.i would tell anyone that has never watched him play one pocket to do themself a huge favor and make an effort to see it.i dont play one pocket but in a few hours of watching him play one night i learned more than i knew after 20+ plus years of pool.yobagua said:
Marvel said:
The interest for One Pocket is sure growing in Europe, and I have seen many great players play one pocket at evenings during 9-ball tournaments. Players that comes to my mind: Niels Feijen, Marcus Chamat, Fabio Petroni, Imran Majid, Huidji See, Raj Hundal, Vincent Faquet, Nick van den Berg, and I have also heard that there is a guy called Markus Juva that is the One Pocket Champion of Finland! (Congratulations, by the way)
wincardona said:
I don't think I have ever seen you act nervous. If you are, you hide it well.
I know, even though I didn't get to see it, you gave Louie Roberts 9-7 for the cash. Obviously Louie was known as a nine ball player, but he had enough fire power & cue ball control to be an effective one pocket player. To beat Louie with that spot and put him on 7, I would think you would fall in the top 25 somewhere.
watchez said:
Using that same thought process Watchez, and I do, how good would a one pocket player have to be to give Larry Hubbart, who played better 9 ball than Louie in 1979, the hit and a pick and win? Who was a good enough one pocket player to do that? Give me a few names, then I will tell you who it was.
I Think I'll Watch It Again
When I read Billy's post mentioning the players of the past 40 years and others bring up the names of players past, I think of the great players that have passed on.
With the recent passing of N.Y. Blackie and Mike Betts, I think this song (though not about pool) brings back memories of those that have gone on ahead.... people gone, but not forgotten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsZFiMo8TIc
Doug
( enjoy it, I did )
When I read Billy's post mentioning the players of the past 40 years and others bring up the names of players past, I think of the great players that have passed on.
With the recent passing of N.Y. Blackie and Mike Betts, I think this song (though not about pool) brings back memories of those that have gone on ahead.... people gone, but not forgotten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsZFiMo8TIc
Doug
( enjoy it, I did )
Ktown D said:I'm not Watchezbut I'm guessing Cleo Vaughn based on your previous contributions to this thread. Just a guess...........
Not, Cleo. There are a very few people on this site who would disagree that the player who gave Larry this weight would be a monster one holer, yet only a few have even heard of this monster.
Smorgass Bored said:
That song with the captions brought tears to me eyes. We need another JFK in America now. Maybe Barack Obama is that man. He appears to have some courage.
Wow! If I had put that video together, I think I'd just sit back for the rest of my life and whenever someone asked me what I did or had done, I'd just play it for them and smile. It's not really pool-related, but thanks for the link.Smorgass Bored said:
hemicudas said:
Cooney would qualify but it is doubtful he would play someone so high profile. I'm still thinking.