Sad day for players in maryland :(

ioCross said:
With those two rooms, and bill and billies having shut down a few months ago because the house man there was a dickhead who decided to sue the owner maryland has lost 3 quality poolrooms in the span of 5~6 months.

That's not entirely accurate. Rick is a prety classy guy and used to always take time to help people out. What happened was unfortunate, but it happened.

JAM said:
Didn't that guy Rick who owns Big Daddy's used to work at the place that used to hold the 14.1 qualifier at Bill and Billie's in Arnold, MD? The name is familiar to me -- I think. :o

Does Big Daddy's serve alcohol and allow smoking cigarettes inside?

JAM

Rick Molineiro, yes.

I don't think you can smoke anywhere in Maryland anymore - I think only your house. I hear that if you try to smoke anywhere else, even outdoors, then a wave of people crashes over you, waggling fingers and shaking their heads before they perform an oldschool "pile-on" and bury you beneath the masses.
 
JAM said:
Didn't that guy Rick who owns Big Daddy's used to work at the place that used to hold the 14.1 qualifier at Bill and Billie's in Arnold, MD? The name is familiar to me -- I think. :o

Does Big Daddy's serve alcohol and allow smoking cigarettes inside?

JAM


No alcohol and no smoking in the room. He made it a non-smoking room even before the ban started.
 
Glad to hear Big Daddy's is still going strong. Definitely the best place to play in Maryland now that Bill and Billies is gone. If you wanna go somewhere with alcohol, Side Pockets, Cue Bar, or Shirlington-Champions are good choices. Fast Eddies-Alexandria isn't bad as long as you don't mind carbon monoxide poisoning!
 
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ioCross said:
While these events didn't happen today, i found out two of maryland's few remaining player's poolhalls are closing down. Bluejays, maryland's oldest poolhall, having opened it's doors around 1910 i believe have decided to close down. Barry, the owner apperently just came in one day, and said "f*ck it im done" and closed down. He sold most of the tables and such. It's a shame, it was one of the few PoolHall pool halls left.. no jukebox, beads used for straightpool strung about the lights, sigh....

but you can't blame him for shutting down. rent was 10k a month for a place that probably made nowhere near that per month. i had noticed that after the smoking ban, business had fallen a lot, and in the back of my mind worried if that would effect business, but never would've believed/guessed that it would shut down.
I was truely saddened when i heard about this news.

to add salt to a fresh wound, i found out jack and jills was closing also. this was the poolhall featured in tony anglioni(sp)'s book, when he went to maryland and played danny green. Jack and jills used to be THE action room in maryland. a lot of the best players/roadies/hustlers went through that room throughout the years. there was a point in time a few years ago that you could find 1k - 5k action there on several tables every night.

it's a sad state of the sport we all love and enjoy when tons of history are being closed down just because owners can't afford to pay rent any more.

With those two rooms, and bill and billies having shut down a few months ago because the house man there was a dickhead who decided to sue the owner maryland has lost 3 quality poolrooms in the span of 5~6 months.

Quality pool rooms, may you rest in peace.

i will now mourn a beautiful game which deserves better than what it's at now.
I thought I would read all posts before responding so here goes:

I started playing at the Blue Jay in the 80's and was considered a regular there until the mid-90's when I stopped going. I did not know that it was the oldest room in Maryland, but it was a crappy room. I say that with some authority because of the number of years I spent/wasted there. So why did I remain? Because there was "something" about that place...maybe the familiarity of the people, the workers etc., something kept pulling you back. We used to joke about the room being just a front for the poker machines (the cherry machines came later). Even the food (cardboard pizza and hotdogs, one candy machine, one coffee machine and one soda machine) was sub-par...but we kept coming back. No real players ever came through there, except maybe to steal, and they did not stick around because no one at the Jay ever bet heavy. Sure, you had your high-dollar games once in a great while, but everyone knew the Jay was NOT the place to be for action. Yet somehow we preferred to bet amongst each other occasionally, and we preferred the Jay to VIP across the street, and NOBODY went to Centennials up the road! Frank the house man was VERY cool, and nice to everyone. Barry was a headcase but people really liked him too. He was harmless, and Al always had an interesting story or three...:)

The equipment, from the lighting to the felt and the ventilation, was really bad, but we still kept coming back...:)

To be fair, I have not visited in at least five years so I really can't make any comments about the state of the place when it closed...but it is the end of an era.

Regarding poolrooms closing in MD, the first one to close in recent years was a popular establishment in Laurel called USA Billiards. I became a reg there after I stopped going to the Jay, and my game improved as a result...or so I'd like to think...:) They shut their doors due to high-rent as well, and they did not have machines or alcohol, so they made their money from the bangers.

Bill & Billie's was next, but the comment about the houseman being a dickhead could not be further from the truth. I know the houseman, and he is quite simply a decent guy.

The Blue Jay and Jack & Jill's were next. I also heard that Hot Shots closed on Pulaski Highway, but I am not sure.

Another poster mentioned that pool halls need to make their money by upscaling and attracting the mainstream crowd. The days of sauntering into a "poolhall" seem to be fading fast.

End of an era indeed.

I'd like to add that Big Daddy's is a very nice place. The owner is a player who understands what pool players want/need. Plus he is expanding soon. Some people have complained that the tables are too close but that will change in the next month and a half or so.

I would imagine this place may be the spot for the Tiger Tour when all is said and done, at least I hope so.
 
Hot shits is still there, those tables are complete garbage. I haven't been there in years but the 6 years I did go they were never good.

And as for Jack and Jills, good riddance. I never went there, I didnt want to get stabbed in the creepy corner of the warehouse area.
 
Sorry to hear another business closed down..Not just pool halls but alot of business's across the Country are closing do to high rents and less customers...We are in a terrible recession/depression...I hope everyone here on AZ is doing well...Sincerly Cuejoey
 
A Story of Circles

When I first started playing pool as a teenager I went to Blue Jay, simply because I grew up in that area and didn't know of any other places. I never really liked it there, it felt cold and uninviting, much like a dirty hospital room. Way too bright and quiet.
Years later I discovered VIP Billiards across the street and immediately fell in love with the subdued lighting and the layout. I've never been a competitive player, so I can't comment on the "action" at any of these rooms. A few more years down the road and I landed a job at VIP - and this was during the heyday of VIP that the "real" shooters hated. Teenagers and college students were the bread and butter of VIP for a good number of years. The music was loud, the kids were raucous, and the owner disregarded the real shooters while he raked in the bucks from the kids. Then it all fell apart...

First came the smoking ban which, for whatever reason totally killed the pool hall business. It had been years since The Color of Money had come out, pool was no longer "cool", and the younger people got hooked on XBox, Playstation, and texting in place of actual social interaction. So, after having run off all of the serious shooters, when the kids stopped coming what was VIP left with? Not much, I can tell you that firsthand.

Where does this circle end, you ask? I guess I never got over my attraction to VIP Billiards, and over the years I have tried to help the owner build the business back up and even worked there on and off when needed. Months ago, after pretty much running the place in to the ground, the owner asked my wife and I if we would be interested in taking over/buying VIP from him. To make a long story a bit shorter, we said "Yes".

So now my wife and I have been running VIP since May 1, 2011. Our goal is to establish VIP as a pool room "by pool players, for pool players". We would like to be "the" action room as well as the best room around for recreational players. Many of you know me, many don't - but it's all good. We still have a near-perfect layout, we still have good tables, and we still have 5 3-cushion tables. What we don't have is a "know it all" attitude. We are trying some new ideas and welcome ideas and suggestions from prior customers. Most importantly we are asking all of you action shooters, serious players, and those of you who played here before and were disappointed by the atmosphere, the music, the smoke, or the management to give VIP another chance. If you don't like something we're doing - say something. Please.

We're going to try to keep VIP afloat for as long as we can, although right now is really tough with the reputation that we have. Yes, rent is crazy high, BGE is crazy high, and the price we're paying is easily 3 times the worth of the business. I'm coming in to this facing no customer loyalty, a bad reputation amongst pool players, no inventory, no liquor license, and 20 tables that need refelting. What I have is confidence, a love for the game, a devotion to VIP, and excellent support (not the financial kind!). VIP can be the pool room that you've always wanted to play in, and I intend to make that happen for you. Help me out, give VIP another shot, and let me know what YOU think needs to be done to make VIP perfect.

(unfortunately the refelting cannot be done right away, for financial reasons - but that is, beyond a doubt, the first thing on my list to take care of)

Thanks for reading my rambling story, I hope the circle of VIP ends where it should.

Steve Didier
VIP Billiards - Catonsville
 
Its sad all over buddy. Walking into an old building with hard wood floors that creaked under your feet. I think that years of cigar and pipe smoke permeated the wood and gave that familiar sensation of being in Grandpas house. Wooden racks, bead counters, old wood and glass counter tops, quality cue racks and snooker tables that are 100 yrs old.
These are things that once gone will never come back. Only in our memories. Be glad that you were at least fortunate enuff to have that experience.
 
Look on the bright side. Real estate prices are plummeting. Businesses are shutting down all over the place. This will make the lease market more inviting for pool hall owners, especially in the sh$...oles they normally are placed within. What really needs to be done is a reversion to the old days when you could hang out in a pool hall and find a match. No one wants to play these days, mostly because no one books the matches. It takes a special person to do it. Must be trusted, trustworthy and a solid judge of talent. When you employ some kid that has no experience or talent, you get what you get. Nothing. Why should I bust my hump to go to a pool hall when no one there is busting their hump for me ?????

tim

Forget about leasing you can buy your own building. I looked at a place a few years ago that was $3000.00 a month. Today I can buy the building for $80,000, just over what would have been 2 years rent. Pool is not a fad and owning a pool room is within most players reach today as long as the nut is in line. You don't need a palace with a sky high nut, just a good clean place in a decent location and if run right it will provide you with a nice living for many years. Plus if you own the building at some point you can sell the business and become the land lord.
 
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Maybe if only the 7 footers are left I wouldn't feel so bad about my playing ability on the 9 footers because there would be none left. Gotta look at the bright side :wink:
 
reading this thread was depressing for me. i can't tell you how much time i spent at bill and billies/jack n jills (for those that dont know, bill and billies turned into jack n jills, then bill and billies moved to severna park.

lots of days playing hookie. ahhh. evidence of a misspent youth.
 
wow, i didn't know bluejays and jack & jills are closing down. and had no idea there was that much action at jack and jills, only went there once because it was the only 24 hour pool hall. I always heard crappy things about the place, about the tables and stuff, but it seemed pretty decent. was that the place with some pink tables or lighting or something?

Actually, the so-called "Jack and Jills" in Glen Burnie used to be called "Bill and Billie's." It used to be an action pool room in the '70s and '80s. All road players came to Bill and Billie's, with the action not taking place until midnight. This is when they used to serve homemade tuna sandwiches and always had a fresh cup of coffee. During the day, many regulars were horse men, who'd come in to study the racing sheets before they'd venture out to Pimlico hoping to make a big score.

The Bill and Billie's in Arnold, MD shut down a few years ago. That also was a very nice pool room which had a great snooker table.

USA Billiards in Laurel, MD was "the" spot for some players in my area for a long time, but that shut down a few years ago, too.

Orange Ball in Rockville, MD has closed its doors earlier this year, I believe.

The few pool rooms that do exist near me, one in Silver Spring, seem more like a yup spot than a pool room, with loud music, sports TVs all over the place, and alcohol being served. It's a bar much more so than a pool room, at least the kind of pool rooms that I used to know and love. :)
 
reading this thread was depressing for me. i can't tell you how much time i spent at bill and billies/jack n jills (for those that dont know, bill and billies turned into jack n jills, then bill and billies moved to severna park.

lots of days playing hookie. ahhh. evidence of a misspent youth.

Yikes, I should have read your post first before I wrote mine. :embarrassed2:

Did you used to go to the Bill and Billie's in Glen Burnie back in the day? I've seen some excellent games there, with the likes of Buffalo Frank, Efren Reyes, Danny Wolford, both Boggs brothers, Bus Drive Ronnie, Reggie, Fat Wayne, Piano Man, Geese, Tom-Tom, Bobby Hawk, Quick Vic, Korean Lee, et cetera, et cetera. Now *that* was a "real" pool room. :wink:
 
No alcohol and no smoking in the room. He made it a non-smoking room even before the ban started.

Now that's a good pool room. I like it even better now! I must pay a visit soon. Heck, it's only about 40 miles or so from me, I think. :)
 
Running out billiards in dundalk was on this closing list,but the state save this old room,they allowed the poker machines back,pool has gotten so bad you just cant stay open on pool alone,vanover tried to make it on just pool,he said is average was not 50 dollars a day in pool,but all the poker machine suckers will b happy again they will b back to losing their pay checks all over again,and us pool players thank them because with out them there would b no poolroom in dundalk!
 
We would like to be "the" action room as well as the best room around for recreational players. Many of you know me, many don't - but it's all good. We still have a near-perfect layout, we still have good tables, and we still have 5 3-cushion tables. What we don't have is a "know it all" attitude. We are trying some new ideas and welcome ideas and suggestions from prior customers. Most importantly we are asking all of you action shooters, serious players, and those of you who played here before and were disappointed by the atmosphere, the music, the smoke, or the management to give VIP another chance. If you don't like something we're doing - say something. Please.

...What I have is confidence, a love for the game, a devotion to VIP, and excellent support (not the financial kind!). VIP can be the pool room that you've always wanted to play in, and I intend to make that happen for you. Help me out, give VIP another shot, and let me know what YOU think needs to be done to make VIP perfect.

Steve Didier
VIP Billiards - Catonsville

I sincerely wish you and your wife all the luck in the world, Steve.
 
Running out billiards in dundalk was on this closing list,but the state save this old room,they allowed the poker machines back,pool has gotten so bad you just cant stay open on pool alone,vanover tried to make it on just pool,he said is average was not 50 dollars a day in pool,but all the poker machine suckers will b happy again they will b back to losing their pay checks all over again,and us pool players thank them because with out them there would b no poolroom in dundalk!

Well that is good news...unless you like the machines!
 
Yikes, I should have read your post first before I wrote mine. :embarrassed2:

Did you used to go to the Bill and Billie's in Glen Burnie back in the day? I've seen some excellent games there, with the likes of Buffalo Frank, Efren Reyes, Danny Wolford, both Boggs brothers, Bus Drive Ronnie, Reggie, Fat Wayne, Piano Man, Geese, Tom-Tom, Bobby Hawk, Quick Vic, Korean Lee, et cetera, et cetera. Now *that* was a "real" pool room. :wink:

yes, i pretty much learned to play pool there. those were back in my high school days when a big money game was like $20. lol.
 
yes, i pretty much learned to play pool there. those were back in my high school days when a big money game was like $20. lol.

We used to drive up there for action, but only after midnight. That is when everything started, after the bars closed. On Route 1, you could catch a $5, $10, or $20 ring game going on in quite a few of the bar spots, but that's all dried up now.

I competed in a Maryland State tourney at the old Bill and Billie's, went 2 and out. :embarrassed2:

We didn't know how good we had it then when it came to pool. My, times sure have changed. :(
 
I dont know how Maryland is poolroom wise in general. But 2 months ago I was working in Lusby,Marland for a month and had to drive an hour and a half to the nearest room to play ... which was Fredricksburg VA. There was according to the GPS 3 poolrooms in that area but none were open anymore. I called a billiard supply company in the phone book in Lusby and asked about any poolrooms in the area and you would have thought I wanted a refund or something.....they couldn't spell pool there....sad!
 
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