Sarah Ellerby vs Jennifer Chen (How would you rule?)
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BVal said:
lol, can you imagine the other wpba pros wearing shirts that said :
"Sarah Ellerby = I'd hit it"
It could apply to the straight ones and the not straight ones.
LAMas said:
I also thought that it was a cruel comment but I am a supporter of freedom of speech.The player in question is a public figure and the general public can liberally choose the words towards the public figures. Late Rev Jerry Falwell VS lary flint ( porn magazine guy )::sorry: :angry: :embarrassed2:
phoebe choy said:
Sad to hear how you were treated when you first entered into the WPBA. I guess it is always some kind of right of passage that one has to go through when one is the new kid on the block. Some "jerk" has to make the going rough. Particularly for us "locals" from Hawaii where disrespect and derisiveness is one of the highest misdemeanor one can commit against us. I feel for you. For we come from the Aloha state, where aloha is meant as an expression of welcome and love. When I hear you were treated that way it hurts me too.
When I came over from Hawaii in '68 to seek my place in my profession I was treated the same way. But it was the spirit I learned from my elders that kept me going on. It just gave me the impetus to show those that didnt respect me that I could be better than them. And that is what I saw in your playing. You had fire in your eyes. You had a gutsy way around the table that I admired. Of course I was prejudiced but quality overcomes everything else. And you had quality in your game and I knew you could give any one a good fight.
I do hope you come back. I think technique by some of the top players is always respected but "heart" is something you cant learn. And "heart" is something that all people respect and admire. When a pro doesnt have "heart" it is disappointing. I always saw it in you. I know it is in your culture.
Melissa Herndon said:
Who said she did? And who of anyone on this thread said they did? What was said was that Jennifer and Sarah had a arguement over a call, the ref made a choice, and that Jennifer then alleged that an elbow bump occured later. Noone is saying it happend for sure, what is known is that Jennifer claims it did.
You are in a public sport that is watched and discussed by the fans, all aspects of it. If something like this takes place rest assured it is going to be discussed, if your sport was more prominent it would be on the nightly news and sports talk shows would debate the event with call ins from the fans to chat about their feelings on the subject. If you don't like that perhaps a life not in the limelight would work better for you instead of making a living in a public professional sport that is going to garner interest and create discussions like this when things such as this occur. Seriously, suck it up, your suggestion that anything that happens on your tour should not be mentioned on a public forum about pool is way out of bounds, you need a reality check.
Koop said:
man word does travel fast. both forums are actually linking each other.
Celtic said:
Wow Celtic,
Now thats what I'm talking about!!! Someone being dead-honest and blunt about it too!!! Great insight and view on the issue. I was trying to say something similar - that we, the fans of billiards/WPBA/pool, are going to have our opinions whether we know all the facts or not.
holy cow all this over an elbow and a foul? some of ya'll must have lead some real sheltered lives
in any case Sarah does sound like a piece of work and Jennifer needs to toughen up
in any case Sarah does sound like a piece of work and Jennifer needs to toughen up
smashmouth said:
its not about just that. Its about attitude and actions to other players in general. If it was just about that one incident the thread wouldve died down by now
smashmouth said:
it's about being a "professional" and acting that way. this isn't a local bar league here, this is the top women players in the game.
breaking the balls apart in someone's face? especially after being ask not to?
calling a good hit on a shot that was very obviously a foul? (a friend who was there set the shot up for me and it's pretty obvious that if the other ball moved it's a foul)
then retaliating by elbowing that person when you thought no one was looking? (imagine if there wasn't a witness and she got away with it)
for a game that is trying to attract more fans, sponsors, etc. and become more mainstream this is no way for a "professional" on tour to act.
gotta remember this one!
What happened in the hallway, if it happened, definitely was wrong. However am I the only one that finds it odd that a TD made a ruling based on a reenactment by the opposing player? This seems totally ridiculous also.
Maybe I have been doing it all wrong. Instead of calling the TD or someone else over to view close hits I'll start just hitting them and then call the TD over and show them my version of what happened if my opponent claims foul. I realize the opponent is the one won the ruling after the fact here but in my opinion the TD's ruling was flat wrong unless both players agreed to what happened. If both players agreed they would not have needed the TD to begin with.
The TD or someone they assigned should have paid close attention to the match afterwards but making a call on a shot that the TD didn't see seems most peculiar and odd to me.
Hu
What happened in the hallway, if it happened, definitely was wrong. However am I the only one that finds it odd that a TD made a ruling based on a reenactment by the opposing player? This seems totally ridiculous also.
Maybe I have been doing it all wrong. Instead of calling the TD or someone else over to view close hits I'll start just hitting them and then call the TD over and show them my version of what happened if my opponent claims foul. I realize the opponent is the one won the ruling after the fact here but in my opinion the TD's ruling was flat wrong unless both players agreed to what happened. If both players agreed they would not have needed the TD to begin with.
The TD or someone they assigned should have paid close attention to the match afterwards but making a call on a shot that the TD didn't see seems most peculiar and odd to me.
Hu
ShootingArts said:
Hu
I would find that strange also, but given the player that is involved - it doesn't seem strange at all.
For many players - and I am sure the pros that have contributed to this thread will back me up on what I am about to say - many players (not all) when they have to play Sarah Ellerby will talk to either Steve Tipton or Mark Wilson PRIOR to the match and ask them to keep an eye on their table to ensure that nothing happens.
For some players, there is so much bad blood between them and Sarah that Steve just pulls up a chair and sits there for the entire match.
Jennifer just goes into her matches focused on winning. She really doesn't pay too much attention to who she is playing, she just focuses on what she has to do.
So I am pretty sure this "foul" incident came out of left field for Jennifer - and she expected that when the foul was obvious that the opposing player would acknowledge the foul. Jennifer is not a newbie, and she's not going to just stand there and put up with this nonsense.
Whatever the case, its always a good idea to get the TD to come over BEFORE THE PLAYER SHOOTS to watch any shot that looks like it may lead to a controversial hit.
Blackjack said:
Very good point Blackjack.
I don't know how I would react if most of the players felt that I needed to be watched at all times during a match.
At some point that would become very old and not so much fun anymore. I really like the fact that my better half (Stacy Hurst) is gracious, win or lose.
In the last 12 years, I can't think of an altercation where she was playing in a match and there was a problem that couldn't be resolved by the tournament director.
Stacy lost to Melissa in San Diego 9-1, Melissa played great, and uh Stacy didn't. Stacy beat My-Hanh Lac 9-2 in Michigan City last week. Stacy played good and My-Hanh didn't. The end result is that both players would not mind playing Stacy again (it's not just because they think they can beat her...lol). I have players come up to me and tell me how much they enjoy playing Stacy (it doesn't matter if they won or lost, they still enjoy playing her). That's what makes me proud to know her. You can play at the highest level and still be classy... example: Allison
Being respectful and having class is very important. Players don't want to play Allison, it's not that they don't like her, it's because they end up sitting for VERY LONG periods of time
Allison is not only the best player in the world, but she has also set the bar for conduct. Allsion tells is like it is, and she gives credit to her opponent when they are deserving of it.To all of you that have lost a match with integrity...I salute you...you are the ones that can make a difference in our sport.
mike--
elbow?
I don't think the TD called the elbow . . . . 
Hu
Nostroke said:
I don't think the TD called the elbow . . . .
Hu
Cheating Vs Elbow?
WHILE I WAS THERE AND SAW THE TABLE DISPUTE, I DID NOT SEE THE ELBOW MENTIONED BUT ONLY A GENTLE "BRUSH" BETWEEN THE TWO ON THE RACK FOLLOWING THE RULING BY STEVE. I AM MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ALLEGED CHEATING THAN I AM THE ALLEGED ELBOW AS ONE INVOLVES INTEGRITY AND THE OTHER ASSAULT. LEGAL REMEDIES CAN BE TAKEN DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF THE ALLEGED ASSAULT BUT INTEGRITY IS A MUCH LARGER ISSUE. STEVE AND MARK CAN ONLY WATCH A FEW PLAYERS WHEN ASKED BUT INTEGRITY IS EVERONE'S ISSUE. WHILE I HAVE MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON THE INCIDENT AND HISTORY, I WILL KEEP THEM TO MYSELVES AND LET THE WPBA RESOLVE THE ISSUE AS THEIR ORGANIZATION IS AT RISK AND THEIR BOARD WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AFTER LOOKING AT THE FACTS. GOOD LUCK IN THEIR WISDOM.
facets58 said:Very good point Blackjack.
I don't know how I would react if most of the players felt that I needed to be watched at all times during a match.
At some point that would become very old and not so much fun anymore. I really like the fact that my better half (Stacy Hurst) is gracious, win or lose.
In the last 12 years, I can't think of an altercation where she was playing in a match and there was a problem that couldn't be resolved by the tournament director.
Stacy lost to Melissa in San Diego 9-1, Melissa played great, and uh Stacy didn't. Stacy beat My-Hanh Lac 9-2 in Michigan City last week. Stacy played good and My-Hanh didn't. The end result is that both players would not mind playing Stacy again (it's not just because they think they can beat her...lol). I have players come up to me and tell me how much they enjoy playing Stacy (it doesn't matter if they won or lost, they still enjoy playing her). That's what makes me proud to know her. You can play at the highest level and still be classy... example: Allison
Being respectful and having class is very important. Players don't want to play Allison, it's not that they don't like her, it's because they end up sitting for VERY LONG periods of time
To all of you that have lost a match with integrity...I salute you...you are the ones that can make a difference in our sport.
mike--
WHILE I WAS THERE AND SAW THE TABLE DISPUTE, I DID NOT SEE THE ELBOW MENTIONED BUT ONLY A GENTLE "BRUSH" BETWEEN THE TWO ON THE RACK FOLLOWING THE RULING BY STEVE. I AM MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ALLEGED CHEATING THAN I AM THE ALLEGED ELBOW AS ONE INVOLVES INTEGRITY AND THE OTHER ASSAULT. LEGAL REMEDIES CAN BE TAKEN DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF THE ALLEGED ASSAULT BUT INTEGRITY IS A MUCH LARGER ISSUE. STEVE AND MARK CAN ONLY WATCH A FEW PLAYERS WHEN ASKED BUT INTEGRITY IS EVERONE'S ISSUE. WHILE I HAVE MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON THE INCIDENT AND HISTORY, I WILL KEEP THEM TO MYSELVES AND LET THE WPBA RESOLVE THE ISSUE AS THEIR ORGANIZATION IS AT RISK AND THEIR BOARD WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AFTER LOOKING AT THE FACTS. GOOD LUCK IN THEIR WISDOM.