Self-Proclaimed Open Level Shooters
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But it misses a main factor. It does not measure how well a player does in competition. It just measures how a player does on a wide range of pre-set shots.Williebetmore said:
Mike Page did a rating of players in one WC 9B. It is based on their performance in matches, including the strengths of the opponents, similar to the FIDE ratings and the American collegiate football ratings. It is fairly simple to implement, it does not require players to spend 2 or 3 hours under a PAT examiner, and it measures the ability to compete. The main requirements are a clean list of players and results from competitions.
Bob Jewett said:
BJ,
Well, yes and no.
Rotation game matches are subject to a large number of variables (luck, opponent strength, lay of the balls after the break). Yes, the player must play in competition; but are the results always indicative of the players true strength (I think not).
The PAT system uses the rotation games and Equal Offense in their training (though not in the first or second test).
The stress of taking the exam is in some ways similar to the stress of competition; the pro's I have seen take it have all been nervous to some degree (and these are seasoned pro's). I still think it is a far better way to judge a player's strength than the ways described so far.
Why you bustin me outGerry said:
Oddball said:
Is that like saying you're a professional because you paid $500 to enter the US Open once? Just kidding man, but we probably both know people like that and it's funny to hear them try to impress people (mainly women).
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Black-Balled said:Why you bustin me out
Man, everyone on here is real nervous, I make a statement and about 30 people think it is directed toward them. By the way, it was not directed and any of the players who think so.
Well maybe Gerry, but I have seen him bet $5 once so he is out.
Except for actual performance in competition, which is obviously better than an abstract test because it measures what you're interested in: how likely is one player to beat another. The problem is that there is no organized system for compiling the necessary statistics. Clearly the resulting ratings are inaccurate unless lots of results are included, like 100 matches per person, but in an ideal world those statistics would be accumulated in less than a year or two for active players.Williebetmore said:
But as far as PAT goes, I think it is a very tough sell in the US. If you really want people to get tested, you need to do something like require a PAT rating for entry into tournaments.
Bob Jewett said:
BJ,
I'm afraid you are correct. It's tough to see how "sandbagging" on the PAT test could be avoided (hmmm, unless you only allow PAT3 players to play, and add a bunch of money; but then it's just like the open tournaments now). How will we ever make pool an honorable game??
call people out.
Just state the names of the people that you think are stating that they play better than they do.
I play better than I do. Oh wait that doesn't really make sense, I play better than I think I do, oh wait that doesn't work either. Let's see......I think I play better than I think....... No, that's not right either......
One more try..... I play better than I do when I don't play as well..... There you go. That works!!!!
Jaden.
I'll probably be at DCC next year so anyone can see how I really play. I readily and consistently admit that I have trouble playing for money, but that doesn't stop me from playing anyone even and I do mean anyone. I just don't play for more than I can afford to lose.
Just state the names of the people that you think are stating that they play better than they do.
I play better than I do. Oh wait that doesn't really make sense, I play better than I think I do, oh wait that doesn't work either. Let's see......I think I play better than I think....... No, that's not right either......
One more try..... I play better than I do when I don't play as well..... There you go. That works!!!!
Jaden.
I'll probably be at DCC next year so anyone can see how I really play. I readily and consistently admit that I have trouble playing for money, but that doesn't stop me from playing anyone even and I do mean anyone. I just don't play for more than I can afford to lose.
BrooklynJay said:
Well, I'm no Lipsky, Smith or Gottier, that's for sure (assuming those are the guys you're thinking of) and no, I haven't been competing in very many tournaments. I haven't played in the Predator Tour nor the Blaze Tour yet but have cashed in the Joss. I've also had a handful of decent finishes in the Tri-State Opens.
Frankly speaking, I've got some work to do if I'm going to be mentioned with those names. There's a degree of pressure that is unique to competing against guys of that calibre AND there's higher demand to come up with creative shots executed perfectly on top of making sure the routine shots are never mishandled.
I normally regard myself as a strong amateur player - that's the precise wording I use in typical conversation and I think that's accurate. The league refers to me as Open and that's their rating system, not mine. It is much different to compete well against lower ranked players in a handicapped situation than it is against the upper echelon of amateur and professional players in a non-handicapped setting.
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One thing I'd like to add is most people on here don't really hide their speed. I mean, a few do. The ones who do are pretty obvious to everyone. If you're a road gambler, I'd totally understand hiding your abilities--- it's how you make a living.
One thing that perplexes me is why some people act like they're hiding their speed (calling themselves D players when they're obviously not) when they never leave their poolroom - or gamble at all for that matter.
One thing I've learned in life is to under promise / over-deliver. Why someone would want to present themselves as being a player when they're not is just plain retarded.
I mean, if you have a chance to bang a porn star... joke with her up-front that you have the smallest penis in the world and you're hoping to last more than 2 seconds. There are three realities:
1) You'll get a cheap laugh and she'll giggle at how cute and powerless you are and 2) To her, you probably DO have the smallest penis in the world 3) Without having realistic self-assessment, you only make an ass out of yourself...NOT the porn star. POOL IS NO DIFFERENT
One thing that perplexes me is why some people act like they're hiding their speed (calling themselves D players when they're obviously not) when they never leave their poolroom - or gamble at all for that matter.
One thing I've learned in life is to under promise / over-deliver. Why someone would want to present themselves as being a player when they're not is just plain retarded.
I mean, if you have a chance to bang a porn star... joke with her up-front that you have the smallest penis in the world and you're hoping to last more than 2 seconds. There are three realities:
1) You'll get a cheap laugh and she'll giggle at how cute and powerless you are and 2) To her, you probably DO have the smallest penis in the world 3) Without having realistic self-assessment, you only make an ass out of yourself...NOT the porn star. POOL IS NO DIFFERENT
Does all this rating honestly matter though? If you got the money to get in the tourny get in. If you are worried you might lose then you shouldn't be shooting anyway. Unless a person is wanting to be a certified instructor I don't see the point. And if you are on here asking about a shot expect a lot of people that are pro's to give you advice, take it all try it out find out what works for yourself....
SpiderWebComm said:
WHere do we apply?
small?
M.C.
i may only be about an inch, but when i get excited i am almost twice that size.SpiderWebComm said:
M.C.
gpeezy
for sale!
Well I could possible fall into the "know-it-alls here" category. What I have done (can't believe I'm even entertaining you with a reply) is read quite a few books on pool instruction by some great authors. I've watched videos of instruction. I played nightly for a few years solid. I can't even tell you how many balls I think I've hit in person our just thinking of playing. I have brought my own game to a reasonable, respected, and by some admired level by the love of the game.MBTaylor said:
Any opportunity I get to pass on what I've learned and worked through myself to other players that want help I do so. My pool godliness comes through a love for the game and I take offense to anyone that questions my ability to at least help another player with their game for what ever reason or answer you were looking for with your post.
gpeezy said:
I concur. On a related note, your avatar is really, really hot. I'm suddenly really thirsty and I don't know why.