Shane vs. Donnie question

I have to say I don't think it would've been a blowout...

MOJOE said:
I've gotta agree with Scott on this one.. Take your beating like a champion with class respect. In all fairness, Shane played lights out once he gave up on trying to play Donny's game and broke the balls like he normally does.. The match became much more enjoyable to watch too..

Donny had chances at towards the end but Shane simply made fewer mistakes and more B&R's.. I thought his charge at the end was exciting.. Shane played DM's rules, game at DM's home pool room and won! That's pretty stout in my book.

Not taking away anything from DM's game but Shane was the man once again this weekend. Thanks to TAR for a my favorite match yet. Congrats to Shane as well..
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It's easy to go by how those last forty racks went and say that Shane wou;d
ve blown him out if he had done that the whole time but I don't think so.

Donny had gotten comfortable playing the game the way Shane was. Having it changed up on you like Shane did can rattle anyone.

If Shane had played like that from the beginning, it probably wouldn't have rattled Donny the way it did.

That being said, Yesterday, Shane played better. Donny made mistakes that allowed Shane to take it. If they were to play the same way again, it might not go the same way, and Donny's showed that he can hang...

Jaden
 
If they ever play that same game again it won't be at Crooked Cue, Capone's, Hammerheads, or any room Donny goes to. It might be in Florida but it won't be local for Donny. Johnnyt
 
Scott Lee said:
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Why can't you just show some class, and say "Yeah, we both played great, but Shane played a little better THIS time!"...rather than your comment. You're obviously a great player, but learn to be a graceful loser too. I guarantee Shane would be...as he has shown many times already.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Lol im not sour. It's just I had to comment on the retarded post made by blane.

I'll give you an analogy on what blane said. What he said made me cringe! The last time I cringed was when a girl at the gym tried to tell me about pool.
 
What did happen after 70-70? What caused Shane to win the last race to 30 by a score of 30 to 13? Seriously... wtf happened?
 
I watched it all Jim.. This is just my opinion and I say this with an unbiased opinion as I totally respect both players games.. I believe either of them could win against each other, both have super strong gears that no one in the world has to like.

Donny made a few uncharacteristic mistakes that he was not making early on. Both missed a few shots but Shane missed fewer. Donny missed a kick or two that a player of his caliber should most likely hit in my opinion and SVB took advantage.

Then there was the break. Once SVB started to break them with force he began to run out more, he did scratch a few times and Donny was not always able to take advantage of the scratches, some he did. Also, on a few times that SVB came up dry, he was fortunate to not leave the roadmaps that he was leaving with the dry, soft breaks that he was earlier. SVB was getting some good rolls off of the breaks often making multiple balls and running quick racks.

I can't speak for either player but DM did miss a bit more once the tables started to turn in Shanes favor.. Overall, I thought both players had their streaks of good and bad rolls but players of this caliber often make their own rolls for the most part. This was Shanes weekend to win, maybe next time will be different. If there is a next time I'll be purchasing that feed too. It was awesome to watch, if you did not see it I'd highly suggest the DVD.. Thanks to both players for an entertaining match.

It would have been awesome to have both of these awesome players representing USA at the Mosconi Cup.. There is always next year..
 
I watched most of it and I think the rack your own angle was a huge factor in this thing. It would have been a blowout for shane if it wasn't that game... and it was looking like a blowout for Donny if Shane hadn't decided about 2/3's of the way through the match to try his regular break.

But, aside from the break, Shane played much better. He missed fewer balls and played much better safeties. I'm not saying Donny Mills misses like he did last night on a regular basis, but last night, he missed more than Shane did.

I think if he worked on his safety game (and maybe his pace of play, assuming that's why he missed makable shots) like he clearly has on his break, he could be right there with the very best.

Also, as Jaden pointed out in the chat last night, he works a full time job. Some may think that's not a big deal but to me it can't be ignored, that's a lot of time every week to be spotting someone else who plays pool full time.

I bet on Shane and gave up 7 games but for most of the match I didn't think I was going to win. If they played that way again, Shane doesn't have to win.
 
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My humble opinion:

This was a very interesting match. I was rooting for Shane, but after watching Donny's break, if he just eliminated the easier to medium difficulty misses, I think he would have won easily. It seemed that Donny just didn't pay close enough attention to the details and missed a number of pretty easy shots ending his run, which I'm guessing is not his norm. Each one of those may have cost him 2-5 racks each the way he breaks em. That's a big swing. He had Shane in a coma in his chair for much of the match (me too :)).

Shane changing to the hard break did a couple of things: 1) Shane’s rhythm changed for the better and he was able to get a gear; 2) it eliminated the automatic road map for Donny if he didn't make a ball; 3) it appeared to have taken Donny out of his rhythm during his break. Donny seemed to be hitting the break at different speeds than when it was perfect for the 1st 2/3 of the match so the results on the 1st shot changed (more difficult).

As I said, this was amazing to watch and I want to thank TAR for streaming this. If I didn’t see it, I wouldn't have believed it. But Shane has a big heart to make the adjustment so he could get out of the doldrums and have a chance to win. But I still believe it was Donny's to win or lose...he just got a little weak at times to keep Shane in it.


Dave
 
donny mills said:
Wow lmao!... I'll tell you what... The stipulation is shane has to break hard like he did towards the end of the match and I will play him a race to 150. Here is the best part- you can stake him and I will lay you a price on the money.
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Donny,

Sorry I been spelling your name wrong for the past year. My $$$ was on you. your my friend, Shane is my friend too. What ever happened happened. I look foward to more matches in the future-you played hard and showed alot of heart. You have my respect, hell you have since I met you a year ago. Live to fight another day. It was a great match.

best regards,

eric
 
Blain you are right blowout FOSURE.Donnieis a sore loser looked like he was gonna cry.Shane has done more in three years than donnie will in his lifetime,unless your talking about selling cars donnies probably got him beat.Bartram your always lippin off why dont you play shane or are you to busy huggin
 
I watched all of day 2 (none of day 1). From my vantage point Shane was not getting the rolls in the first half and Donny was. Danny was getting a lot of kick safeties and hit and slop etc. Shane often would make a ball on break and be left funny around the side pocket etc.

If Donny could have won a couple more games before the rolls turned then it would be a different match. Shane started breaking hard and although he did not immediately get results they went into safety battles which he was able to get the best of. Then his break caught a gear...and we all know how it ended.

Donny played great. Period full stop.

Donny don't get emotional about it. You played great and there always has to be someone who comes in second. You showed everyone your top shelf. Nobody has to like that game. Shane out ran the nuts and I would suggest he leaves it like that.
 
ninerider said:
Blain you are right blowout FOSURE.Donnieis a sore loser looked like he was gonna cry.Shane has done more in three years than donnie will in his lifetime,unless your talking about selling cars donnies probably got him beat.Bartram your always lippin off why dont you play shane or are you to busy huggin
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you wont get to far here knocking anyone like that. Take that shit somewhere else, tell that to Donny face to face. Not here.
 
pattern??

Wazuela said:
It was disgusting watching Shane soft break over and over again without making a ball on the break. Donny was so consistent making the wing ball in the corner with the same layout --1, 2, and 3 ball coming up table, 4 staying by the side and usually the 7 & 8 in the same pocket as the wing ball. I think Shane was trying to mimic his break, even checking his rack several times. But as the match progressed, Shane was missing the wing ball bad, by like half a diamond at times.
You could tell he was trying to achieve the same results as Donny on the break, but I guess he couldn't figure it out.

Once Shane started hitting them hard, he was making the same wing ball as Donny almost every time. Sometimes the opposite wing ball would hit the rail and go in the opposite side.
It was really exciting watching Shane break the balls this way. Such explosiveness! He really livened up quite a bit.
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I get rack your own. Was the same racking pattern allowed also? Was Joe T coaching? Opponent checking the rack was for tightness? not for repeatable pattern?

For that alone(pattern racking) I'll buy the DVD.

What am I missing here?
 
ninerider said:
Blain you are right blowout FOSURE.Donnieis a sore loser looked like he was gonna cry.Shane has done more in three years than donnie will in his lifetime,unless your talking about selling cars donnies probably got him beat.Bartram your always lippin off why dont you play shane or are you to busy huggin
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im right here chump.
when i lip off i play.
why would i play svb he wont play donny the same game he won lol.
i see you lip off here why dont me and you play chump?
 
3RAILKICK said:


I get rack your own. Was the same racking pattern allowed also? Was Joe T coaching? Opponent checking the rack was for tightness? not for repeatable pattern?

For that alone(pattern racking) I'll buy the DVD.

What am I missing here?
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They allowed pattern racking, it was part of the game as it was set up. Donny made the 5 ball int he corner off the break 82 out 83 times, I still can't believe that and I saw it.
 
BlaineBarcus said:
Im not sure what the score was exactly when shane started breaking hard but lets say it was at about 68 64 (donnie)...which means shane won 36 games to donnie's 15 to win the match......what do you think would have happened if shane just went ahead and broke hard the whole match and played his own game instead of donnie's.......Im thinking it would have been a blowout
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When you get up and blast the rack, the odds of bad things happening increase. Like when Shane scratched in the side and jumped off the table. The odds on a shot after the break go down as well. I agree, Shane should play HIS game.

Donny made a ball and had a shot nearly everytime he broke. Shane didn't, both hard and soft breaking.

If donny doesn't miss some of those shots down the stretch, its a completely different game. He hung maybe 4 balls towards the end and it killed him. If those balls fall, Shane's wallet might be lighter.
 
If does not have an answer..

If... the never ending question. I am sure both players have seen a lot of IF's in their time..

It is what it is! Maybe next time it will be a different result but no one has the answer to what IF??

cleary said:
If donny doesn't miss some of those shots down the stretch, its a completely different game. He hung maybe 4 balls towards the end and it killed him. If those balls fall, Shane's wallet might be lighter.
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Fatboy said:
Donny,

Sorry I been spelling your name wrong for the past year. My $$$ was on you. your my friend, Shane is my friend too. What ever happened happened. I look foward to more matches in the future-you played hard and showed alot of heart. You have my respect, hell you have since I met you a year ago. Live to fight another day. It was a great match.

best regards,

eric
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Thank you! Funny things happen in pool sometimes. I got a few funny rolls back to back and I think it got to me a little, and then he played great! Then I lost my stroke for my break. Oh well.
 
Well - I watched day 2 of the match and I was not disappointed. I think both players played well and handled themselves with class. I didn't know much about Donny but boy that was a breaking clinic he put on, and the guy obviously has a serious gear.

Not sure why folks feel the need to be rude on here - both guys put up and played - someone has to lose right.

Same with attacking Chris Bartram - the guy beats Mika early at the US Open and has a good tourney - people feel they can criticize here....wow! That combined with being one of the best cash players around.

Anyhow - enjoyed it and look forward to more...congrats on a good match Donny.
 
ninerider said:
Blain you are right blowout FOSURE.Donnieis a sore loser looked like he was gonna cry.Shane has done more in three years than donnie will in his lifetime,unless your talking about selling cars donnies probably got him beat.Bartram your always lippin off why dont you play shane or are you to busy huggin
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Just take deep breaths. In... Out... Repeat In... Out... It's gonna be ok. After you've done that take another deep breath and try and figure out how you're not going to be a loser your whole life.
 
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