Yep
I agree 1,000 %
Big C said:
I agree 1,000 %
Should Corey be punished in RENO for being smart.
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I wish they would
Since random is only as random as the racker wants it to be I think there should be only one order to rack the balls in for any rotation game. I would allow the mirror image of that order also so being left or right handed isn't an advantage.
Hu
Njhustler1 said:
Since random is only as random as the racker wants it to be I think there should be only one order to rack the balls in for any rotation game. I would allow the mirror image of that order also so being left or right handed isn't an advantage.
Hu
This is such a joke. Whats next, maybe at the tournaments they can require a "designated breaker" for everyone. Everyone knows if they would have thought this break up they would not be the ones complaining. In other words, the person breaking is required to hit the balls real hard and let the cue ball go. So someone thought up a new way to be better at the game and they get punished for it. If Corey's break is so unfare then why dont all the playres start using it, that would settle everything wouldnt it. This reminds me of that old saying where someone *****es and moans when they are on the receiving end of the deal but are perfectly fine when they are the ones dishing it out, cant remember what it is though. JMO
"What's good for the goose, is good for the gander(male goose)."
The people that have a problem with the control break are the ones who haven't perfected it.
When Efren first came to America and introduced the kick safe (as opposed to the blast kick), they didn't ban the kick safe.
Instead, players learned to be more accurate with their kicks, and try to achieve a specific result.
The soft to medium break shot is the exact same thing.
The people that have a problem with the control break are the ones who haven't perfected it.
When Efren first came to America and introduced the kick safe (as opposed to the blast kick), they didn't ban the kick safe.
Instead, players learned to be more accurate with their kicks, and try to achieve a specific result.
The soft to medium break shot is the exact same thing.
If they insist on continuing to play 9-ball at major tournaments I can't see why someone can't come up wit a 9-ball rack that gives a tight rack all balls touching and an independent racker. balls are put in random. Ten-ball is getting there too. Month after month you see more of the pros making a certain ball on the break and having a shot on the one-ball or lowest ball on table.
Nine-ball is a joke to the top pros, ten-ball is getting there fast. A set of balls are 15. Rack all 15 and play rotation. F*** TV. Give the pros a challenge. I would change 15 ball rotation rack to the 1, 2, and 3 balls go in the middle of the rack, and something like the 7, 8, and 9 the head and corner balls. If they find a way to trick-rack that...I give up. Johnnyt
Nine-ball is a joke to the top pros, ten-ball is getting there fast. A set of balls are 15. Rack all 15 and play rotation. F*** TV. Give the pros a challenge. I would change 15 ball rotation rack to the 1, 2, and 3 balls go in the middle of the rack, and something like the 7, 8, and 9 the head and corner balls. If they find a way to trick-rack that...I give up. Johnnyt
I feel the same way
Johnny,
I agree with what you are saying. It isn't trick breaks that I disagree with, it's trick racks. I wouldn't care if the break was just like any other shot, must make a ball or drive any one ball including the cue ball to a rail after contact with the object ball.
Hu
Johnny,
I agree with what you are saying. It isn't trick breaks that I disagree with, it's trick racks. I wouldn't care if the break was just like any other shot, must make a ball or drive any one ball including the cue ball to a rail after contact with the object ball.
Hu
Johnnyt said:
I once lost $100 betting on the side in a rack-your-own tournament. The breaker made the nine in the corner or hung it up and made a combo shortly afterward seven times in a race to nine.
When it's rack your own then you are prey to rack manipulators. And yes the opponent can check the rack but then they have to also be a good enough "rack mechanic" to be able to spot the gaffed rack.
What is WRONG with pool is that two professional players are playing each other in a professional event and they don't have a referee to rack the balls. ALL professional matches should be neutral racker period.
When it's rack your own then you are prey to rack manipulators. And yes the opponent can check the rack but then they have to also be a good enough "rack mechanic" to be able to spot the gaffed rack.
What is WRONG with pool is that two professional players are playing each other in a professional event and they don't have a referee to rack the balls. ALL professional matches should be neutral racker period.
ShootingArts said:
It brings it back to Stevie.
If Corey knows more then Stevie about the rack, or any player for that matter, isn't it up to the player to educate themselves so that they also know?
What is the point of the TD racking in a rack your own event?
If that's the case, either eliminate the rack your own, or deal with it and study the rack more.
If Stevie can't handle someone who has a decided advantage over him WITHIN the rules, he should either quit pool, or in his off time, study the rack so that he ALSO knows the rack.
Why bich about something someone has mastered that he hasn't.
Seems petty to me.
How many other matches aside from the finals, did the TD have to rack for players?
ShootingArts said:
i like your idea. problem solved!!!!!!!!! seriously, if they did this, there would be zero debate moving forward. :yeah:
SUPERSTAR said:
On this point I don't agree. I don't think that players should be expected to learn all the ways to gaffe a rack so that it's either a disadvantage for your opponent or an advantage for yourself.
I think players should of course learn to read a rack for the purpose of their own break. Corey is the master of this and I resent the pool world for making rules to stop him from using breaks that he perfected.
I don't think however that Corey or anyone should be allowed to doctor a rack so that it breaks a certain way. I don't think that the non-breaker should have to inspect the breaker's racks. I don't think rack-your-own is a fair way to play the game for that reason and others.
Because if the non-breaker disagrees with the breaker's rack then who is to say HOW the balls SHOULD be racked. Obviously the non-breaker wants them racked in such a way as to diminish the effectiveness of the break. So this leads to people arguing over how the rack should go. This should NEVER be a problem in a professional event.
Corey is the smartest person in pool when it comes to breaking and racking. I won't call him a rack mechanic in the sense that he gives gaffe racks to his opponents. He certainly knows how to rack for himself though in the way that works best for his own break. That is not cheating so no one should insinuate that.
I just happen to think that all pro matches and all high level gambling matches should be neutral racker with a referee.
cheating is still cheating
Rack rigging is illegal per the rules. It shouldn't be a requirement to know how to cheat as well or better than the other player to play in a sanctioned match.
I was talking to an old road player on the phone today and we were laughing about a few things and the goings on that happen when gambling came up. We both admitted that we often fought fire with fire when we were gambling for a living and couldn't pass on the action. I have slug racked, moved coins, relocated balls when the other player wasn't paying attention as well as plain vanished a few all while the other player was doing the same thing. However this is hardly the way I expect to have to play in a formal competition to even things up and if the competition is about who can cheat the best pool is a long long ways from ever being a sport.
Hu
Rack rigging is illegal per the rules. It shouldn't be a requirement to know how to cheat as well or better than the other player to play in a sanctioned match.
I was talking to an old road player on the phone today and we were laughing about a few things and the goings on that happen when gambling came up. We both admitted that we often fought fire with fire when we were gambling for a living and couldn't pass on the action. I have slug racked, moved coins, relocated balls when the other player wasn't paying attention as well as plain vanished a few all while the other player was doing the same thing. However this is hardly the way I expect to have to play in a formal competition to even things up and if the competition is about who can cheat the best pool is a long long ways from ever being a sport.
Hu
SUPERSTAR said:
As long as he is not breaking the rules then there is no issue. If anything Moore should be ashamed for whining like a ***** about this...assuming Corey is not doing anything that is outside of the rules.
Random racking is up for a lot of interpretation. My understanding with 9-ball is the one in the front and the 9 in the middle are the only real requirements.
Corey seems to be the only player around with a real pool "metagame".
I've learned a lot from watching Corey especiallly when it comes to 1p breaks on a heavy spot (in my favor)
Random racking is up for a lot of interpretation. My understanding with 9-ball is the one in the front and the 9 in the middle are the only real requirements.
Corey seems to be the only player around with a real pool "metagame".
I've learned a lot from watching Corey especiallly when it comes to 1p breaks on a heavy spot (in my favor)
Rack them tight and random, and satisfy the rules for a legal break.
If a player has put the time in to help himself with a harder or easier break either with a full-on or cut on the 1-ball from various spots in the kitchen, knowing where balls in various positions will likely go with variations in the break technique, good for him.
If a player has put the time in to help himself with a harder or easier break either with a full-on or cut on the 1-ball from various spots in the kitchen, knowing where balls in various positions will likely go with variations in the break technique, good for him.