It means Jennifer doesn't play any where near the top women, and the women that do play good are over 700.
The only reason we care about JB is she looks great, and the only time we get to see her is when she plays pool.
Jason
Amazing how much working out can reverse all those things in a very short time.
Jason
I didn't see it that way. My point was more that Jennifer Barretta is notable because she is one of the top American women players. As it turns out, her Fargorate is 650. Her level of play is notable among women in the US. There must be thousands of men in the 650 range, and hence not an especially notable thing.
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My experience is that the top women players seem to rise to the occasion when playing against men. I've seen many outstanding performances by strong women players when matched up with a strong male player. One that sticks in my mind is Yu Ram Cha's defeat of Shane in a world championship event held in Vegas a few years ago. She had a lead, Shane caught up and then she just outplayed him in the last few games to win.
There have been many other notable victories by women (Gerda over Earl, Corr over Ko, Kelly and Allison with multiple wins, etc.) that are significant to me. Karen has beaten so many good men players I've lost count! I don't think this can or should be ignored. All the talk I see on here about the men's psychological and physical advantages sound like male machismo to me. I have said before and will say again, there is NO mental or physical reason why a woman can't play pool as well as any man. PERIOD!
Jean Balukas struck fear into the hearts of many top men players decades ago and it could happen again. As more and more women start to play pool at an early age you will see more Siming Chen's and Cheska Centano's who can challenge them. I look forward to the day when there is a special event held annually where the top sixteen men and the top sixteen women are pitted against each other (woman against a man in each opening match) with no handicap of any kind. I think we all might be in for a shock when we see how many women win matches and perhaps one or two even go deep into the field, like Karen just did at Turning Stone.
If there is to be any renaissance in professional pool it may be with open events like this. That would make pool unique among pro sporting events.
Karen at 47 would lose to Karen at 37. It doesn't mean that Karen at 47 is a bad player.
I fail to see the problem with saying someone is past their prime when it happens in all sports.
My experience is that the top women players seem to rise to the occasion when playing against men. I've seen many outstanding performances by strong women players when matched up with a strong male player. One that sticks in my mind is Yu Ram Cha's defeat of Shane in a world championship event held in Vegas a few years ago. She had a lead, Shane caught up and then she just outplayed him in the last few games to win.
There have been many other notable victories by women (Gerda over Earl, Corr over Ko, Kelly and Allison with multiple wins, etc.) that are significant to me. Karen has beaten so many good men players I've lost count! I don't think this can or should be ignored. All the talk I see on here about the men's psychological and physical advantages sound like male machismo to me. I have said before and will say again, there is NO mental or physical reason why a woman can't play pool as well as any man. PERIOD!
Jean Balukas struck fear into the hearts of many top men players decades ago and it could happen again. As more and more women start to play pool at an early age you will see more Siming Chen's and Cheska Centano's who can challenge them. I look forward to the day when there is a special event held annually where the top sixteen men and the top sixteen women are pitted against each other (woman against a man in each opening match) with no handicap of any kind. I think we all might be in for a shock when we see how many women win matches and perhaps one or two even go deep into the field, like Karen just did at Turning Stone.
If there is to be any renaissance in professional pool it may be with open events like this. That would make pool unique among pro sporting events.
I think you were at the US Open 9 ball the year that Barry opened it up to woman. What do you remember about those performances?
If I remember correctly Sarah R. was the only one that was in any of the matches played.
Sarah isn't psyched out by men- She was the first female to get top 20 in the DCC 9 Ball.
My experience is that the top women players seem to rise to the occasion when playing against men. I've seen many outstanding performances by strong women players when matched up with a strong male player. One that sticks in my mind is Yu Ram Cha's defeat of Shane in a world championship event held in Vegas a few years ago. She had a lead, Shane caught up and then she just outplayed him in the last few games to win.
There have been many other notable victories by women (Gerda over Earl, Corr over Ko, Kelly and Allison with multiple wins, etc.) that are significant to me. Karen has beaten so many good men players I've lost count! I don't think this can or should be ignored. All the talk I see on here about the men's psychological and physical advantages sound like male machismo to me. I have said before and will say again, there is NO mental or physical reason why a woman can't play pool as well as any man. PERIOD!
Jean Balukas struck fear into the hearts of many top men players decades ago and it could happen again. As more and more women start to play pool at an early age you will see more Siming Chen's and Cheska Centano's who can challenge them. I look forward to the day when there is a special event held annually where the top sixteen men and the top sixteen women are pitted against each other (woman against a man in each opening match) with no handicap of any kind. I think we all might be in for a shock when we see how many women win matches and perhaps one or two even go deep into the field, like Karen just did at Turning Stone.
If there is to be any renaissance in professional pool it may be with open events like this. That would make pool unique among pro sporting events.
Jay I get it. You are a public persona in the pool world and you almost have to toe the line. I didn't know that you were Dr. Helfert. How in the world given the history of women in pool, snooker, golf and chess can you claim that there is no reason that woman can't compete with the top men in pool?
There are a myriad of reasons but you aren't acknowledging them. Nine Ball is the kind of game, that the fact that someone wins a set is really not relevant.
Where the chili meets the cheese is long sets. Men are pushing the boundaries of the game using long cues. Jayson Shaw plays a power game that no woman I've ever seen plays.
I heard 25 years ago that women were gonna play on par with men with all the same arguments. It has not become a reality.
The biggest reason as you well know, that women are playing in mixed field tournaments is because of the fact that their own tour in the US has fallen apart.
If women are not subsidized by a government I would assume they want to have enough money to eat. They are not gonna find that remuneration playing the top men.
When women play on parity with the men there will be no need for any could ah, should ah, would ah type qualifiers they simply will do it.
Jay, just for the record I like you personally and find your historic knowledge of the game very instructive. I've also enjoyed your commentary and you should not interpret this post as anything more than a different point of view from your own.
Jay toe the line? LMAO.
I think a lot of people on here are just thinking of the top players in the WBA back in 2005 to 2010. Todays top women don't miss makeable balls. Asia has at least 30 Karen's and Allison's at this time. If they played all the open tournaments in the states...there would already be open women winners. Johnnyt
Jay toe the line? LMAO.
I think a lot of people on here are just thinking of the top players in the WBA back in 2005 to 2010. Todays top women don't miss makeable balls. Asia has at least 30 Karen's and Allison's at this time. If they played all the open tournaments in the states...there would already be open women winners. Johnnyt
Jay toe the line? LMAO.
I think a lot of people on here are just thinking of the top players in the WBA back in 2005 to 2010. Todays top women don't miss makeable balls. Asia has at least 30 Karen's and Allison's at this time. If they played all the open tournaments in the states...there would already be open women winners. Johnnyt
The difference is to play at Sky's level you have to beat those men on a regular basis and win more that one event of note every 2 yrs
I'm sure Chen could have some good runs in turney play but she is not going to equal Sky's record in them and she is certainly not playing him even in a long race
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This is NO dig at Chen, she plays very well, very technical and mechanically sound and I bet she is a lovely person. But she has ZERO chance to win the US Open 9 ball event . None, zilch, zero.
Haven't you heard, all the woman in China could do that every day and twice on SundayThey just don't have the time to come here an take the easy money. Maybe next year?
It's not a requirement to be a man to play in the US Open. When are all these Chinese ladies going to come on down and snap that off?
Is it the expense they are worried about. Any Chinese gal that wins the US Open I will personally refund their airfare. No Joke. They will get some "chalk" money from me. Any takers? yeah, I didn't think soBut if it happens in 2017, just send me the bill, it will get PAID.
This is NO dig at Chen, she plays very well, very technical and mechanically sound and I bet she is a lovely person. But she has ZERO chance to win the US Open 9 ball event . None, zilch, zero.
The top 4 at the US Open last year were
(1) Shane (821) World # 2
(2) JL Chang (809) World # 6
(3) Dennis Orcollo ( 812) World # 3
(4) Jayson Shaw (810) World # 4
That's numbers 2,3,4,and 6 by Fargo Rating. And #1 didn't play.
Here is that straw-man thing again. NOBODY says she plays at this speed