So You Want To Be A Top Pro...Why?

Johnnyt

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Yes, it’s a shame that most of the great hustlers and tournament players will and did die broke. It really doesn’t have to be that way for most of them. You would think with all the books on top players and stories about them on the Internet that young players would get it. Do the math. It’s just that simple. Maybe 100 pool players in the world make a decent living, where they have a house, medical insurance, and money saved. None of them makes big money. As far as following the dream goes…you can’t live off a dream. The odds are of someone making the top 100 in the world is probably 100,000 to 1…maybe more.

I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I wasn’t a top player at anytime, but I loved the game and loved the hustle, but I loved money, a nice roof over my head, good food, and a nice car and bike, and a lot more. I met a lot of top players in the North East through my Dad. I saw at a young age how most of them lived. If they had a roof over their head it was a one-room flop or their car. Some had girlfriends supporting them. Girlfriend leaves…no roof. Most that I knew could have saved enough over their years in pool. Most would make a big score and look to put it back in action at the table, track, or casino. Good pool players know their odds of winning on the pool table very well, but don’t have a clue how bad the odds are stacked against them in other gambling. Kids need to finish school, get a good job that they feel they can put up with until retirement.

I didn’t have an education, rarely played for big money, but a good percentage of my winning always went to buy something I could sell at a profit, like the Greyhounds, cars and horses that I bought, would work for me to make money. I never had any dream of becoming the next Mosconi. All I wanted was to be good enough to make a few hundred a week at it and by investing the profits I was making good money and having fun doing it. In over forty years I never missed once giving my wife her the weekly money she needed to run the house, take care of the kids, and buy herself and the kids something they wanted.

Most of the pool players that made money in pool were not great players. They simply got off their ass and found a job or started a business to make money to support their HOBBY of playing pool. Johnnyt
 
Personally I don't play to become a top pro, I play to become the best player I can possibly be and w/e happens from there is what happens.
 
Good stuff JohnnyT. I personally just want to maximize my potential at an early age and move on to something different as a hobby. I can tell I'm not a lifer. I've been playing 2 and a half years and already see their is no real future in it. Even opening a room is a scary venture. I do it for entertainment and to win or lose a few dollars here and there. It's like the roulette wheel spinning, that rush you get, but when the wheel stops whether you win or lose, the rush is gone. Top pros can have it, hell I watch any other pro from the stands anyway, just so happens in pool they are more accessible.

Hope this thread turns out well, I'm sure someone will take a good natured post the wrong way and say you are hurting the game. If they do, screw them, I know what you were getting at!
 
I came to that realization back in January. My priorities have deffinately changed. I am trying to make a good career and good money so I can do the hobbies that I want to do. i would love to play in pro tournaments and be one of the few who wants to win the tournie just to win it, not to pay the rent. I think in the next 5 to 10 years we might see new pros emerging that have day jobs. I am going to try my hardest with what opportunites I have to be one of them.
 
Yes, it’s a shame that most of the great hustlers and tournament players will and did die broke. It really doesn’t have to be that way for most of them. You would think with all the books on top players and stories about them on the Internet that young players would get it. Do the math. It’s just that simple. Maybe 100 pool players in the world make a decent living, where they have a house, medical insurance, and money saved. None of them makes big money. As far as following the dream goes…you can’t live off a dream. The odds are of someone making the top 100 in the world is probably 100,000 to 1…maybe more.

I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I wasn’t a top player at anytime, but I loved the game and loved the hustle, but I loved money, a nice roof over my head, good food, and a nice car and bike, and a lot more. I met a lot of top players in the North East through my Dad. I saw at a young age how most of them lived. If they had a roof over their head it was a one-room flop or their car. Some had girlfriends supporting them. Girlfriend leaves…no roof. Most that I knew could have saved enough over their years in pool. Most would make a big score and look to put it back in action at the table, track, or casino. Good pool players know their odds of winning on the pool table very well, but don’t have a clue how bad the odds are stacked against them in other gambling. Kids need to finish school, get a good job that they feel they can put up with until retirement.

I didn’t have an education, rarely played for big money, but a good percentage of my winning always went to buy something I could sell at a profit, like the Greyhounds, cars and horses that I bought, would work for me to make money. I never had any dream of becoming the next Mosconi. All I wanted was to be good enough to make a few hundred a week at it and by investing the profits I was making good money and having fun doing it. In over forty years I never missed once giving my wife her the weekly money she needed to run the house, take care of the kids, and buy herself and the kids something they wanted.

Most of the pool players that made money in pool were not great players. They simply got off their ass and found a job or started a business to make money to support their HOBBY of playing pool. Johnnyt

Welcome back JT:smile:
 
I came to that realization back in January. My priorities have deffinately changed. I am trying to make a good career and good money so I can do the hobbies that I want to do. i would love to play in pro tournaments and be one of the few who wants to win the tournie just to win it, not to pay the rent. I think in the next 5 to 10 years we might see new pros emerging that have day jobs. I am going to try my hardest with what opportunites I have to be one of them.

I think it is almost impossible to play pro pool full time and have a day job!!!!
Frankie
 
really, when i started I only wanted to become good in order to make a fool out of the so called "good" players, it was my only intention. oh well
 
Most that I knew could have saved enough over their years in pool. Most would make a big score and look to put it back in action at the table, track, or casino.

Most everyone has a dream of earning a living doing what they love. Unfortunately for most, this is not a reality.

Just as well, earning, saving, not extending yourself with finances is a virtue that not many people we are talking about have. As soon as they get some money in their pocket, they burn it up on this that or the other thing. It's continuous cycle for many.
 
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I think most pros have been playing since they were kids, and when they reach the age of 20 or so professional pool is the most logical choice as a career.

For others, the skill level is what they aspire to not so much the profession. I think most players wish they were a 100 ball runner whilst holding their day job.

There is probably more money to be made for the top players than what they are actually managing. They seem to be focusing on tournament and gambling winnings to make their living, however what of the exhibition circuit and instruction? Jeanette Lee has shown that you can make money if you market yourself.

Professional snooker players in the 70's spent more time on the exhibition trail than playing actual tournaments. Actually, that is part of the reason for the explosion of the games popularity in Britain, everyone got word of Alex Higgins and started coming to see him. So when snooker became more prominently featured on tv, everyone tuned in to see Alex.
 
Lil challenge.....

I came to that realization back in January. My priorities have deffinately changed. I am trying to make a good career and good money so I can do the hobbies that I want to do. i would love to play in pro tournaments and be one of the few who wants to win the tournie just to win it, not to pay the rent. I think in the next 5 to 10 years we might see new pros emerging that have day jobs. I am going to try my hardest with what opportunites I have to be one of them.

Hey Center Pocket,
I'm free this weekend if you want to put those pro tournament skills of yours to work. Sounds like your game is improving, I'll take the 8 if your offering? PM me and we can hook up at Pockets this weekend.
 
I think it is almost impossible to play pro pool full time and have a day job!!!!
Frankie

I think a lot of pros could have become pros even if they worked a job. Most pros started playing at an early age and more or less peaked in their late teens early twenties. For most of them that didn't or don't work the easy action dried up fast as they became known.

There were plenty of jobs out there that require little actual work. There are busineses that can be run and managed by other people. It's not that imposible if you want to live comfortable and still play at close to the top.
I still think today if one uses their head they can make money buying things low and reselling. I'm not talking cue sticks here. I could go on and on about this, but won't. Even going to a trade school for six months for the right thing could have you opening your own small business in a year. Most just don't want to put out the time effort. Johnnyt
 
I think it is almost impossible to play pro pool full time and have a day job!!!!
Frankie

Weenie Beanie said, "To be a great player you have to either be rich or a bum, there is no in between. The time demand is too high and the competition is to tough." I heard him say this in an interview about professional pool.

I will tell you funny one. Danny DiLiberto was talking to a news reporter and the guy asked him what he did for a living. This was at a tournament by the way. Danny said, "I play pool". The guy said , " No, I mean what do you do to make money, what do you do for a living when you are not playing pool".

Anyone who knows ask Danny about this. If I remember right he ended up telling the guy off.
 
Roger Carter, for many years ranked at the top of the pro darters world, said it best
and IMO it applies also to pool -

"Until some sort of unity is achieved in the world about how darts is to be played and portrayed – until
there is one governing body – it is going difficult for anyone but a few to make a living as a professional
player. "
 
I think a lot of pros could have become pros even if they worked a job. Most pros started playing at an early age and more or less peaked in their late teens early twenties. For most of them that didn't or don't work the easy action dried up fast as they became known.

There were plenty of jobs out there that require little actual work. There are busineses that can be run and managed by other people. It's not that imposible if you want to live comfortable and still play at close to the top.
I still think today if one uses their head they can make money buying things low and reselling. I'm not talking cue sticks here. I could go on and on about this, but won't. Even going to a trade school for six months for the right thing could have you opening your own small business in a year. Most just don't want to put out the time effort. Johnnyt
I would be interested in hearing you "go on and on" on this subject.

Are there businesses you personally recommend?
 
I don't really have aspirations to be a pro. I just want to play that well.

Good to have you post Johnnyt. I've missed your input.
 
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Yes, it’s a shame that most of the great hustlers and tournament players will and did die broke. It really doesn’t have to be that way for most of them. You would think with all the books on top players and stories about them on the Internet that young players would get it. Do the math. It’s just that simple. Maybe 100 pool players in the world make a decent living, where they have a house, medical insurance, and money saved. None of them makes big money. As far as following the dream goes…you can’t live off a dream. The odds are of someone making the top 100 in the world is probably 100,000 to 1…maybe more.

I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I wasn’t a top player at anytime, but I loved the game and loved the hustle, but I loved money, a nice roof over my head, good food, and a nice car and bike, and a lot more. I met a lot of top players in the North East through my Dad. I saw at a young age how most of them lived. If they had a roof over their head it was a one-room flop or their car. Some had girlfriends supporting them. Girlfriend leaves…no roof. Most that I knew could have saved enough over their years in pool. Most would make a big score and look to put it back in action at the table, track, or casino. Good pool players know their odds of winning on the pool table very well, but don’t have a clue how bad the odds are stacked against them in other gambling. Kids need to finish school, get a good job that they feel they can put up with until retirement.

I didn’t have an education, rarely played for big money, but a good percentage of my winning always went to buy something I could sell at a profit, like the Greyhounds, cars and horses that I bought, would work for me to make money. I never had any dream of becoming the next Mosconi. All I wanted was to be good enough to make a few hundred a week at it and by investing the profits I was making good money and having fun doing it. In over forty years I never missed once giving my wife her the weekly money she needed to run the house, take care of the kids, and buy herself and the kids something they wanted.

Most of the pool players that made money in pool were not great players. They simply got off their ass and found a job or started a business to make money to support their HOBBY of playing pool. Johnnyt


Johnny, all I can say is...."it wasn't my choice to play, the game chose me" nothin' much else to say....
 
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