Spin Doesn't Transfer from CB to OB

A related question: say you have a frozen pair of object balls, and you use left English on the cue ball. It should put right English on the object ball it hits. Will the frozen ball get left English from the first object ball?
 
try putting outside and inside spin on a bankshot and see the difference.
 
Bob Jewett said:
And here is a proposition shot for the British players.

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Bob Jewett said:
The snooker tables I play on in the US have Strachan cloth or similar and are Rileys or BCE. My statement applies to British-style tables and British-style cloth.
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You must be right. Then what's the trick to make this shot work? Other than side spin on the CB, I mean. Higher speed? Little draw on CB?

I had fairly high success rate when try this on faster table, but always came short when try it on older, slower cloth tables. If I use a stripe as the OB, I can see the transferred side spin got lost in the way to the short rail. I will try some more draw on the CB and maybe double the hit speed to see if that helps.

Thanks Bob, you are the teacher, always.
 
BRussell said:
A related question: say you have a frozen pair of object balls, and you use left English on the cue ball. It should put right English on the object ball it hits. Will the frozen ball get left English from the first object ball?
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Yes....to a degree. The transfer becomes exponentially less when two or more object balls are entered Into the equation.
 
I didn't bother to watch the video but everybody knows you can throw an object ball using English. Whether you define that as spin transfer or something else, it is a reality.
 
JayKidd said:
You must be right. Then what's the trick to make this shot work? Other than side spin on the CB, I mean. Higher speed? Little draw on CB?

I had fairly high success rate when try this on faster table, but always came short when try it on older, slower cloth tables. If I use a stripe as the OB, I can see the transferred side spin got lost in the way to the short rail. I will try some more draw on the CB and maybe double the hit speed to see if that helps.

Thanks Bob, you are the teacher, always.
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If it's not working, crank up the speed a little. Draw hurts -- you want stun side. If nothing else works, set up a two-reds frozen combination (plant) bank in the place of the single object ball and hit the first red half-ball into the second red. That will get maximum or nearly maximum spin transfer. Reposition the plant slightly until you barely miss the blockers coming back from the cushion. If that shot works you should be able to do it with a cue ball. Note that if you ever hit the blockers from behind you have demonstrated transferred side.

Review what Dr. Dave's video says about surface preparation and throw -- it could be that you are playing with waxed balls.
 
jay helfert said:
I saw the same thing. Try shooting a one rail shot like that and see what happens when you use right English on the cue ball as opposed to center ball. The object ball will react differently coming off the rail!
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When right english applied on a straight shot, cb squirts a tiny bit (not noticed usually) and actually cuts the straight in shot a hair and spins it, english helps increase the spin. Similarly when left side is applied, but opposite. By varying the speed one could get the result of english shot without english by aiming slightly off the straight line, like Grady suggested in his one pocket bank! Now if you scratch the CB & OB it is a whole new story.
 
alstl said:
I didn't bother to watch the video but everybody knows you can throw an object ball using English. Whether you define that as spin transfer or something else, it is a reality.
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Technically throw and spin transfer are different things, but you cannot have one without the other.

Any force component tangent to the surface of a sphere will produce translational movement in the tangential direction (throw) as well as rotational movement (side spin).
 
Spin absolutely does transfer... the easiest way to prove it besides the obvious bottom english on the CB creates top on the OB, is to use outside english on a long rail bank. Dr. Dave also has a video where his OB curves into the pocket. Throw changes the line of the OB ball while spin causes it to cure.
 
Drop The Rock said:
Spin absolutely does transfer... the easiest way to prove it besides the obvious bottom english on the CB creates top on the OB, is to use outside english on a long rail bank. Dr. Dave also has a video where his OB curves into the pocket. Throw changes the line of the OB ball while spin causes it to cure.
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Now that I don't believe - you can't curve an object ball.
 
BRussell said:
Drop The Rock said:
Spin absolutely does transfer... the easiest way to prove it besides the obvious bottom english on the CB creates top on the OB, is to use outside english on a long rail bank. Dr. Dave also has a video where his OB curves into the pocket. Throw changes the line of the OB ball while spin causes it to cure.
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Now that I don't believe - you can't curve an object ball.
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The only way you can make an OB curve on a non-directional-nap cloth is with a magical cue-twisting and swooping stroke. For a demonstration, see:

NV B.33 - Back-hand swoop and twist ball-turn techniques

For videos and other resources proving that an OB does not curve under typical conditions, see:

object ball "swerve" and "turn" resource page

Enjoy,
Dave
 
This so called "test" reminds me of some scientific guy, at least he said he was. He was claiming you can't throw a baseball and make it curve. He reasoned it was all an optical illusion, and thus you can't throw a ball and make it curve, it only appeared to curve due to the great amount of spin applied by the hand and wrist.

Of course, some amateur baseball pitcher put up a piece of cardboard about 4 feet wide, and 8 feet tall, about 20 feet in front of home plate, and then began throwing curve balls to the catcher, who from his position on the mound, could not even see him. He was completely blocked out from his sight.

yep, he threw strike after strike.
 
need some balls with laces or dimples

ChicagoRJ said:
This so called "test" reminds me of some scientific guy, at least he said he was. He was claiming you can't throw a baseball and make it curve. He reasoned it was all an optical illusion, and thus you can't throw a ball and make it curve, it only appeared to curve due to the great amount of spin applied by the hand and wrist.

Of course, some amateur baseball pitcher put up a piece of cardboard about 4 feet wide, and 8 feet tall, about 20 feet in front of home plate, and then began throwing curve balls to the catcher, who from his position on the mound, could not even see him. He was completely blocked out from his sight.

yep, he threw strike after strike.
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Hmmmm, Just think how some laces or I suppose more reasonably some dimples on pool balls would change the game! Get some bite on the cloth and some seriously weird stuff could be done I suspect. Back to deep cloth . . . . Efren would be able to make a cue ball go in a complete circle without hitting a rail!

I do miss the old ten footers with directional cloth. Shooting slowly you had to remember to allow for the weave shooting to the head of the table and foot of the table. It was fun to watch the balls curve into pockets. For some reason banks seemed easier on those tables once you learned the cloth.

Hu
 
Of course spin is transferred. The only way it wouldn't be transferred is if there was zero friction between the two balls.
 
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