Stroke question

As I have said before, I came to the still cue thing when CJ Wiley was here.

There was not any real 'aiming'.

It was align CTC or CTE & I added in Center to the 1/4 lines because I was using a LD shaft.

All Best Wishes to ALL.

PS I've been playing basically on memory ever since my eye accident & getting an astigmatism.
 
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I have switched over to this method this past year, since I am now playing again.

I used to take long practice strokes before I paused and pull the trigger, now I am making short compact movements to really help to focus in on my CB target.

It is working well for me.


Pidge said:
Practise strokes is a bad term. I'm much prefer the term feathering. They are used to fine tune your aim on the white... Not the entire shot, just on the white. They make sure you are zoned in on the exact part of the white you wish to hit. It's is far easier to do this with small delicate movements... Or feathers than it is with big long practise strokes. It is natural to pull the cue back further on the final pull back. You aren't really gauging power when down... Our brains work that out before we get down mostly so it makes no sense to pull back when feathering as far as you intend to on the final stroke.
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9Ballr said:
Just a quick question to the stroke experts on the forum.
As you're doing your prep strokes you pretty much reach a spot where you start going forward, my question; do you go further back on the last stroke before you shoot?

I'm asking because I do it and have been trying to stop it, but I don't know if I need to spend the time and energy stopping it.

Right now I always do 1, 2, 3 and then I go further back on the last one before I shoot, that's very natural to me.

Thanks fellers.....
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Shane does fine with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQDEIfVvOE

He is one end of the spectrum, with a very exaggerated final stroke.

The other end of the spectrum is Allen Hopkins. His final stroke seem to be as short or shorter than his warm up strokes. See 23:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Fi7dpjqUg
 
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Tony_in_MD said:
I have switched over to this method this past year, since I am now playing again.

I used to take long practice strokes before I paused and pull the trigger, now I am making short compact movements to really help to focus in on my CB target.

It is working well for me.
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I used to have really long feathers too. All the way back to my bridge in fact so they were like 14-16" feathers. A few years ago I changed to 1cm or less feathers then not so long ago I changed to 1" or less for all shots. My accuracy when striking the cue ball improved considerably.
 
Pidge said:
I used to have really long feathers too. All the way back to my bridge in fact so they were like 14-16" feathers. A few years ago I changed to 1cm or less feathers then not so long ago I changed to 1" or less for all shots. My accuracy when striking the cue ball improved considerably.
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Perhaps this should be made a sticky in bright blue text to counter the crap that was launched at me when I mentioned going to no pre shot strokes.
 
Pidge said:
Practise strokes is a bad term. I'm much prefer the term feathering. They are used to fine tune your aim on the white... Not the entire shot, just on the white. They make sure you are zoned in on the exact part of the white you wish to hit. It's is far easier to do this with small delicate movements... Or feathers than it is with big long practise strokes. It is natural to pull the cue back further on the final pull back. You aren't really gauging power when down... Our brains work that out before we get down mostly so it makes no sense to pull back when feathering as far as you intend to on the final stroke.
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Excellent information.

So from what I gather after reading the posts that addressed the question, it is perfectly fine to go back a little further on the last stroke.

Since this is ok I will stay with what I'm currently doing.

Thanks a lot fellas for your help.
 
99.9% of my aiming is not done during my address to the ball. I come in on the perfect ghost ball line not the line I intend the cue ball to travel. When I get down on the shot I push the tip up to the cue ball at the level on the vertical axis I want to hit.i pause there and adjust my back hand position on the butt. I then make my bh and fh English adjustments to swing the tip over to the final contact point on the cue ball that I wish to hit. I will make two or three very small strokes at this point while checking my adjustments. When the alignment is right, I start the stroke sequence. The length of my back swing is dependent on the speed I am going to hit the shot. Smaller backswing means less speed, larger back swing means more speed.I pull back, pause, bring my sight from the cue ball up to the ghost ball spot on the object ball (not my intended contact point) and shoot.

This is only how i do it and is in by no means an attempt to tell you how it should be done.
 
The stroke should be straight and fluid. Tempo is the back and forth motion or warm up strokes. A pause at the last backstroke before forward stroke follow-through isn't necessary, but helpful. It is more of a preference. Some great players don't have warm up strokes or a pause, but they all have a smooth accelerated forward stroke follow-through.
 
TATE said:
Shane does fine with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQDEIfVvOE

He is one end of the spectrum, with a very exaggerated final stroke.

The other end of the spectrum is Allen Hopkins. His final stroke seem to be as short or shorter than his warm up strokes. See 23:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Fi7dpjqUg
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Another example in the vein of short stroking is Canadian Cliff Thorburn, demonstrating a very short back-swing and short feathering strokes throughout this masterclass 147 break, the first ever made at the Crucible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHNCxERMhMA

EDIT: Oops, the copy & paste didn't take... this is the video I meant to link to: https://youtu.be/PE0n_7i_VLE
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Perhaps this should be made a sticky in bright blue text to counter the crap that was launched at me when I mentioned going to no pre shot strokes.
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Short stokes are not no stokes, and they are not done for the reason you suggest which is alignment.

Please read the responses again.
 
Perhaps there should be a sticky warning others about the CRAP you continue to post. Talk it up all you like, but almost nobody out there are "drop and shoot" players...at least ones that can actually play. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

ENGLISH! said:
Perhaps this should be made a sticky in bright blue text to counter the crap that was launched at me when I mentioned going to no pre shot strokes.
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Extend the logic & reasoning & I did not say I did it for the purpose of aiming.

Best 2 All.
 
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Two words.

No... I've been advised by a management member to try to ignore all such type of posts.

Best 2 ALL.
 
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Scott Lee said:
Me? I'm not authorized to speak for anybody. That said, I know quite well how Keebie plays...and you've told us ad nauseum that you've played at a "pretty high level" for most of your 50+ years at the table. You've also stated that when you did play leagues you were always either the top player, or in the top rankings. Therefore, I surmised that you two would be a good match! Like in any matchup, if Keebie were to completely drill you, you guys could come up with some kind of handicap to make the game even!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Some guys here in this forum have watched YOU playing a few shots......
 
In case you missed it the first time.


Short stokes are not no strokes, and they are not done for the reason you suggest which is alignment.

Please read the responses again.

God this is just like teaching middle school again. BMHOTD


ENGLISH! said:
Two words.

No... I've been advised by a management member to try to ignore all such type of posts.
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There is NO objective universal NEED or objective uniersal reason to make ANY pre shot strokes.

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.
 
This is what you want to argue?

How about there is no Objective Universal Need or Objective Universal Reason for me to play pool with a cue.

A broomstick can do just fine and dandy.

BMHOTD

ENGLISH! said:
There is NO objective universal NEED or objective uniersal reason to make ANY pre shot strokes.

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.
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