Stroke question

Another example in the vein of short stroking is Canadian Cliff Thorburn, demonstrating a very short back-swing and short feathering strokes throughout this masterclass 147 break, the first ever made at the Crucible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHNCxERMhMA

I don't know about short stroking, but that girl has a mean left hook... I think you posted the wrong video unless there have been some serious changes in Snooker rules...
 
I am not inclined to 'discuss' the matter with certain individuals, but...

There is a very logical, reasonable, & objective reason to play with a cue vs a broom stick...

& I think that most "intelligent" individuals can figure it out for themselves.

Best Wishes for ALL.







But I will correct the many false statements that you make.
 
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Has anyone heard of this guy?

https://youtu.be/Id4W6VA0uLc

How does 'everyone' do it now?

Closed minds never discover things & never improve their minds nor other matters.

Best Wishes to ALL.

Dick Fosbury, inventor of a new jumping style - The Fosbury Flop. Replaces the "Western Roll (or Eastern Roll, depending on the side of the bar you came from) as the preeminent style of high jumping circa 1966.

...and that girl (Thanks Colin), I think I'm totally in love
 
Hey I get it.

You have this strong innate need to be different. I suppose, if I was to guess, in your mind this makes you special.

Have at it, trail blazer.

I am not inclined to 'discuss' anything with you.

But what you say there is just not true.

There is a very logical, reasonable, & objective reason to play with a cue vs a broom stick.

Best Wishes for ALL.







But I will correct the many false statements that you make.
 
Dick Fosbury, inventor of a new jumping style - The Fosbury Flop. Replaces the "Western Roll (or Eastern Roll, depending on the side of the bar you came from) as the preeminent style of high jumping circa 1966.

...and that girl (Thanks Colin), I think I'm totally in love

I wish she would have dropped him with a jump round house or whatever it's called.
 
Perhaps...but my skill at the table is not at issue...nor do I brag about how I play. People seek me out for my teaching skills...not how good I can play. There are LOTS of people here who can validate whether I can play or not. Besides, everybody knows instructors can't play! :D English is obviously scared to death to play anybody that is more than a beginner. His meek attempt at once again trying to drag me down is weak.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Some guys here in this forum have watched YOU playing a few shots......
 
Nearly every trip I make to a hall I play individuals that have played the game for multiple decades & are a high jump or pole vault bar above the level of beginners.

All some seem to do is misstate the truth & facts of matters for their own motives & agenda.

Best Wishes for ALL.
 
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Perhaps...but my skill at the table is not at issue...nor do I brag about how I play. People seek me out for my teaching skills...not how good I can play. There are LOTS of people here who can validate whether I can play or not. Besides, everybody knows instructors can't play! :D English is obviously scared to death to play anybody that is more than a beginner. His meek attempt at once again trying to drag me down is weak.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

It would be better to ask him to play with you. You said he can't play pool. Now you are saying that YOU can't play !!!! Your words, not mine.

If you watched greyghost beating Rick, would that make you feel happy ????

You and your friends attack him all the time, seems like having a lot of fun.

I really wonder what the moderators in this forum are doing.

And makes me think of not posting here again. Or close my account forever.

Seems like you and your friends get a lot of "protection" here".
 
Perhaps...but my skill at the table is not at issue...nor do I brag about how I play. People seek me out for my teaching skills...not how good I can play. There are LOTS of people here who can validate whether I can play or not. Besides, everybody knows instructors can't play! :D English is obviously scared to death to play anybody that is more than a beginner. His meek attempt at once again trying to drag me down is weak.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott, don't fall for it. Here he comes objectively fast and objectively furious. Let the mind games begin. :(
 
ps611846...No, now you're putting words in my mouth. What I said alludes to the age-old diehard (yet untrue) message of "those that can, do...those that can't, teach". I've offered numerous times to play Rick...anywhere, anytime that it works for both of us. He has, to date, declined. I offered up Keebie to play him...and he declined. Tony Marcino offered to play...Neil offered to play. Rick declined them all. Take whatever you want from that.

I have no more "protection" here than any other valued longtime member. What my "friends" and I provide here is a lot of valuable information, that is backed up by many other instructors more famous than us, along with several pro players. What Rick offers is garbage claims with nothing to back it up. Personally, I think everyone on this board would enjoy watching Keebie dismantle English!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
 
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I have absolutely no inclination to spend even one minute of my life in any real association of any kind with individuals such as the kind that were mentioned.

I also have no need to prove myself to that kind of individual or anyone else for that matter.

I recently said that there was a time when I might have enjoyed meeting Keebie & playing a few games, but that changed about a week or so ago.

Also... matters of a mental, intellectual nature are not proven by any physical contest... bad eyes & back aside.

Wolf, wolf, wolf, all Y'all want. It does not change one intellectual idea, explanation, etc.

The three letter acronym group did the same thing when they realized that they had no reasonable, logical, critically thought out explanation to offer in support of their position.

My dad can beat your dad in arm wrestling & that would make my dad right about religion... or politics, or education, etc.

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.

PS I remember being offered a suckers proposition bet by Scott Lee way back when & when I turned it back on him with him failing resulting in him leaving AZB forever, he very quickly turned it down. Perhaps Scott Lee would agree to play Ms. Crimi for the same cheese. Unfortunately Ms. Crimi does not play in such challenge matches either. I'd love to see them play each other in a tournament though. I think she would beat him so badly.
 
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Rickieboy...I never turned it down. Man, your fingers cannot keep pace with your "quick wit"! LOL Try the preview option before you post!

Scott Lee ~ also apparently known as "Scoot Lee" :rotflmao1:
http://poolknowledge.com

PS I remember being offered a suckers proposition bet by Scott Lee way back when & when I turned it back on him with him failing resulting in him leaving AZB forever, he very quickly turned it down.

I think we would have to scrap Scoot Lee form off the floor with a shovel. Persoanlly I would never pay for a lesson form one that can not play nor never has played at a high level.
 
Rickieboy...I never turned it down. Man, your fingers cannot keep pace with your "quick wit"! LOL Try the preview option before you post!

Scott Lee ~ also apparently known as "Scoot Lee" :rotflmao1:
http://poolknowledge.com

ScottyBOY!

Flat out untrue.

If you did not turn it down then why are you still here?

You even complemented me for turning it down & flipping it on you, as it was a sucker's proposition.

Do you even remember what it was that you SUPPOSEDLY never turned down?

I wish you would 'Scoot" along & stop wasting the readers' time.
 
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Short stokes are not no stokes, and they are not done for the reason you suggest which is alignment.

Please read the responses again.

I don't know why you do them. However I do them to fine tune my aim/cueball contact, and in the process check my alignment. If the aim looks wrong, or I seem misaligned, I get back up again.

I don't really "aim" as such when down over the ball, as much as I check that my cuestick is pointing in the direction of my aimpoint, which I picked out while standing upright. If my cuestick does not naturally "want" to point in the direction of my selected aimpoint, to me that suggests that my body is misaligned some way or other. If I just push the cue up to the ball and freeze it there, it will not show this misalignment as clearly as feathering will. We're not talking about major misalignments anyway, but a only a little bit. It is imperative then, not to force the issue, but instead get back up and start over. As you get better at the game, that should happen very rarely.

Anyhow the short feathers have many uses, and I don't see how one could prove that they have one use only. They obviously do what I stated above, but also loosen the arm/hand up. It's a good way to check if you are deathgripping the cue for instance (out of nervousness or other reasons), if you have problems with that. Very hard to do nice feathers with a death grip and too much arm tension, you'll feel it instantly. I'm sure many of you can think of other uses for them, but they work, that's the important thing.
 
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I was watching a bunch of videos on youtube the other night. I was watching a local top player playing Jason Shaw (and beating him) at the last Eastern States Championships at Snookers. This guy obviously plays pro speed. He has extremely short little practice strokes, and then takes whatever length stroke is required for the shot on the actual stroke.

Interesting thing: In a lesson Earl Strickland specifically said to me to think about trying very short little practice strokes. Like 1/2 inch or an inch or something. If you look carefully, he does 2 practice strokes and shoots pretty much every time. But many of those practice strokes contain like 3 little bump bump bumps. Short little strokes. I have tried this and it feels pretty decent.

Point is, I think it is going to vary by player, as long as they do the same thing every time it should be fine.

KMRUNOUT
 
Closed minds never discover things & never improve their minds nor other matters.

Pot, say hello to kettle...

I speak for no one other than myself when I say, you've given me the impression of being the MOST closed mind on this forum.

I say good day.
 
Pot, say hello to kettle...

I speak for no one other than myself when I say, you've given me the impression of being the MOST closed mind on this forum.

I say good day.

There is a huge difference between making a decision regarding a matter & being closed minded. My mind is always open to rational logical critical thinking & explanations.

But I do not blindly follow anyone & I am a firm believer that no one should blindly follow anyone.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours.
 
ScottyBOY!

Flat out untrue.

If you did not turn it down then why are you still here?

You even complemented me for turning it down & flipping it on you, as it was a sucker's proposition.

Do you even remember what it was that you SUPPOSEDLY never turned down?

I wish you would 'Scoot" along & stop wasting the readers' time.

It seems that Mr. Lee has left.

Perhaps he is searching for something to refresh his memory.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
 
I don't know why you do them. However I do them to fine tune my aim/cueball contact, and in the process check my alignment. If the aim looks wrong, or I seem misaligned, I get back up again.

I don't really "aim" as such when down over the ball, as much as I check that my cuestick is pointing in the direction of my aimpoint, which I picked out while standing upright. If my cuestick does not naturally "want" to point in the direction of my selected aimpoint, to me that suggests that my body is misaligned some way or other. If I just push the cue up to the ball and freeze it there, it will not show this misalignment as clearly as feathering will. We're not talking about major misalignments anyway, but a only a little bit. It is imperative then, not to force the issue, but instead get back up and start over. As you get better at the game, that should happen very rarely.

Anyhow the short feathers have many uses, and I don't see how one could prove that they have one use only. They obviously do what I stated above, but also loosen the arm/hand up. It's a good way to check if you are deathgripping the cue for instance (out of nervousness or other reasons), if you have problems with that. Very hard to do nice feathers with a death grip and too much arm tension, you'll feel it instantly. I'm sure many of you can think of other uses for them, but they work, that's the important thing.

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