Stunning news: FREE IPT Challenge Match: Johnny Archer vs. Earl Strickland

jimmy-leggs said:
2)I know I will take flack for this but 80% of the public plays 8-ball,NOT 9-ball.So for the common T.V. watcher,they don't care,its not what THEY play.
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I will reiterate my earlier statements, tournaments are not the way to go. I love to watch a good match, but I'm not going to watch an ESPN edited version of any tournament match. No one is really grinding, the thought processes are eliminated whenever they edit out part of a match. It's like watching one of these horrible pool movies lately. Here's shot 1,3,9, and 12. Good guy wins... give me a break.
 
corvette1340 said:
Good Point. A lot of times Mercedes and upper echelon corporations will target golf telecasts due to the nature of the viewer.
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jimmy-leggs said:
You and Jay make very valid points.Your question "How can the marketing of pool be changed to make it more attractive to the general public"?
Two things that should be changed for television........
1)DON'T show trick shot episodes,it degrades our sport,makes it look cheap.In the publics eyes it turns it into a NON-SPORT.
2)I know I will take flack for this but 80% of the public plays 8-ball,NOT 9-ball.So for the common T.V. watcher,they don't care,its not what THEY play.
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2 EXCELLENT ideas....and I too will probably take some flack for this, but have the televised tournies be co-ed. Lets face it, the public loves seeing the women play and it could only help for the men. If it goes over well with the public, you can gradually "wean" it to a mens tour as well. JMO.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
2 EXCELLENT ideas....and I too will probably take some flack for this, but have the televised tournies be co-ed. Lets face it, the public loves seeing the women play and it could only help for the men. If it goes over well with the public, you can gradually "wean" it to a mens tour as well. JMO.

Southpaw
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I agree with the co-ed part, Southpaw. One of my favorite matches from the IPT televised matches was when Earl played Gerda, and she won. Listening to Earls comments was great. And the level of play by the women is great, as seen in Allison's and others wins over the men in the IPT events.

Mike
 
Da Poet said:
Generally true, but not always the most viewers. If there's enough of a certain type of viewer that advertisers want to reach, they'll go for it.
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He is absolutely correct about this.
 
iba7467 said:
I will reiterate my earlier statements, tournaments are not the way to go. I love to watch a good match, but I'm not going to watch an ESPN edited version of any tournament match. No one is really grinding, the thought processes are eliminated whenever they edit out part of a match. It's like watching one of these horrible pool movies lately. Here's shot 1,3,9, and 12. Good guy wins... give me a break.
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I keep hearing people talk about how the format is setup etc.etc.. or that we need a new pool movie like TCOM or The Hustler to come out and generate interest in the sport, but what I think pool really needs is a weekly night time drama following the people and friends of a poolhall. There wouldn'
t even need to be professional writers as there is enough drama in any real world pool hall in America to come up with enough sotrylines to last a few years or forever for that matter. It;s also something that is viable in the market. Without more interest in pool in general, a changed format for televised matches just won't be enough I'm afraid, becuase they will never get the good time slots as long as there aren't enough viewers and without more interest they will never get enough new viewers without being in the good time slots.

One thing I would suggest is that you try to drive up interest in the televised matches with your friends and family by getting them to watch them with you and helping explain the nuances of the game that most people don't understand.


The format does need to be changed though, one reason this is, is that in the current format the parts of the match that they edit are the mistakes that are made, so it looks like the players are super human. No one wants to watch the people who are superhuman, when they do, they're really waiting to see them screw up and in professional pool they almost always have enough footage of perfection that they rarely make mistakes or they really are playing perfect, (which usually isn't the case). People like to atleast have the illusion of possibly being able to compete and the top caliber of pool players are way above the potential audience's caliber. Even though in reality most people who watch golf aren't any where near as capable as the people out on the tour, what do the editors of the live broadcasts do? Sure they showcase the top talent who might not make mistakes, but whenever they make a huge mistake they showcase it.

If they would do that in pool and humanize the top players, it may draw more interest to the sport.
 
RED LITE said:
My first reaction was, hey, I'll watch a free match anytime!

Then I saw the "sign up" page. :eek: The last thing I would ever do is to submit any of my personal information, email address, or anything else to Kevin Trudeau, or to any business entity he is connected with. You'll never get off his list.

Think about it. If it were just a freebie, or a good faith P.R. venture, why would he want you to "sign up"?

I am not a pro player, nor an IPT player. But on this sign-up issue, I still have standing to say "no".

RL
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What He Said. WHAT HE SAID !!!!!!
 
Jaden said:
The format does need to be changed though, one reason this is, is that in the current format the parts of the match that they edit are the mistakes that are made, so it looks like the players are super human. No one wants to watch the people who are superhuman, when they do, they're really waiting to see them screw up
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This is why crashes are the most watched and replayed parts of a race, not crossing the finish line.

Doing a search for the Preakness Stakes 2006, not one of the top 20 lists the winner, but more than half are about Barbaro's injury.
 
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jay helfert said:
So you want to know what's done Pool wrong in America. Just watch Billiards on ESPN. If you can find it!
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...due to TV time constraints, we skip ahead to match eleven,].....:mad:

I really wanted to see matches 6 through 10, I really did !
 
watchez said:
Poker doesn't show every hand and it seems to do just fine on TV.
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Now that you mention it, even the Olympics skips around and doesn't give you every second of action. Just too much going on to fit into the broadcast.
 
watchez said:
Poker doesn't show every hand and it seems to do just fine on TV.
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Good point! I think the big money at stake is one factor and being in on the "secret" (seeing the hole card) is another reason people are watching. A third reason is that Poker has a regular time frame. I know I can see High Stakes Poker on Monday night and The World Poker Tour on Wednesday night. The WSOP will air on ESPN almost daily. And they have excellent commentators doing the Poker. Mike Sexton, Gabe Kaplan, Vince Van Patten and even Norman Chad know something about a poker game.

Pool doesn't have hole cards, but we do have characters. And we've got action as well as words. I still stand by my belief that Pool has been treated miserably on US television so far. Do it better and do it right and they may find an audience.
 
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jay helfert said:
Good point! I think the big money at stake is one factor and being in on the "secret" (seeing the hole card) is another reason people are watching. A third reason is that Poker has a regular time frame. I know I can see High Stakes Poker on Monday night and The World Poker Tour on Wednesday night. The WSOP will air on ESPN almost daily. And they have excellent commentators doing the Poker. Mike Sexton, Gabe Kaplan, Vince Van Patten and even Norman Chad know something about a poker game.

Pool doesn't have hole cards, but we do have characters. And we've got action as well as words. I still stand by my belief that Pool has been treated miserably on US television so far. Do it better and do it right and they may find an audience.
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I agree with your thoughts and when it comes to commentating pool really needs to find someone interesting. Did anyone else notice that during the IPT Sigel was trying so hard to be pool's Phil Hellmuth and create a cocky badboy image that it was downright laughable.
 
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i wonder if this is a ploy to see what the buzz would be on sites like this to see if a comeback would even be worth it?
 
corvette1340 said:
Maybe a reality show with Tony Watson, Scotty Townsend, Chris Bartrum, LilJohn, SVB, and Keith McCready. Put them all in a bus at the start of December in California each with $1000. They can do nothing but gamble on the trip to Louisville that culminates with the Derby.
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Nice idea, but how would you film this? I can't imagine most of their likely opponents and backers, not to mention bar owners at being too keen on being shown gambling on TV. Hmm, maybe you can do the whole Cops thing and fuzz out the faces to protect the guilty?
 
jay helfert said:
Good point! I think the big money at stake is one factor and being in on the "secret" (seeing the hole card) is another reason people are watching. A third reason is that Poker has a regular time frame. I know I can see High Stakes Poker on Monday night and The World Poker Tour on Wednesday night. The WSOP will air on ESPN almost daily. And they have excellent commentators doing the Poker. Mike Sexton, Gabe Kaplan, Vince Van Patten and even Norman Chad know something about a poker game.

Pool doesn't have hole cards, but we do have characters. And we've got action as well as words. I still stand by my belief that Pool has been treated miserably on US television so far. Do it better and do it right and they may find an audience.
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The reason poker is so big is because almost anyone can play and win,they like seeing joe schmoe against the top guys,you wont see a guy in his first tourney who has been playing for a few months laying them to waste in pool.Poker is more user friendly,a minute to learn a lifetime to master. ;)
 
jay helfert said:
Good point! I think the big money at stake is one factor and being in on the "secret" (seeing the hole card) is another reason people are watching. A third reason is that Poker has a regular time frame. I know I can see High Stakes Poker on Monday night and The World Poker Tour on Wednesday night. The WSOP will air on ESPN almost daily. And they have excellent commentators doing the Poker. Mike Sexton, Gabe Kaplan, Vince Van Patten and even Norman Chad know something about a poker game.

Pool doesn't have hole cards, but we do have characters. And we've got action as well as words. I still stand by my belief that Pool has been treated miserably on US television so far. Do it better and do it right and they may find an audience.
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Maybe Kelly Pool (Pea Pool) for TV? When the players pick their pills with their secret number on it they could put them number down on a reader and the people watching at home would know everyones secret number. I know I'm reaching here. Johnnyt
 
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