Confirmed.
TAR match with top female players?
- Thread starter Sloppy Pockets
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Confirmed.
That would be one of the better matchups. I watched her gamble in Orlando even against a pretty good male player, and it was pretty close for two days. This same player has beat Shawn Putnam, Mike Siegal and many other people who stopped in. Point of the story is she will fire against anybody. I like you to win, but I don't think your stealing by any means.
This match will never happen
So why so much talk about it
If I lose I don't want any thing
Lol, I think your confidence is misplaced and your player analogies are faulty. If this match up happens, you have action. Kelly has been facing and beating international competition. Chris runs a few racks and people go ohh ahhh until he plays someone Stevie Moore's speed. Then the room is left scratching their heads. Well, I wasn't. A top pro, this includes Kelly, is going to give Chris all he can handle. Prepare for your arrogance to be humbled.
I think whoever is hitting balls regularly will win. If both players, Chris and Kelly, are in dead-punch stroke, it's a crapshoot. Kelly breaks better than most men. Chris' break is strong as well.
The thing about tournaments, though, is that they are just short races. In some cases, depending on the tournament rules, luck plays a role in the outcome.
In a gambling match, if they play a short race, I like Kelly. If they play an ahead set, I like Chris. I believe endurance will play a key role in the outcome. I view Kelly more as a tournament soldier, and Chris' forté is matching up in action matches.
It is not possible to rate a person's game by YouTube or videos. I'm not so sure Kelly's speed is known as well as Chris'. The general public has seen Chris more in action than Kelly when it comes to gambling. I am reminded of Keith's track record with Alex. He has defeated Alex in every tournament they came up against each other, but in action games, Alex's record beats Keith. Go figure! But it illustrates my point.
Before anybody attacks my post, no, I don't want to bet. I'm just providing a few thoughts on the match if it takes place. :smile:
The thing about tournaments, though, is that they are just short races. In some cases, depending on the tournament rules, luck plays a role in the outcome.
In a gambling match, if they play a short race, I like Kelly. If they play an ahead set, I like Chris. I believe endurance will play a key role in the outcome. I view Kelly more as a tournament soldier, and Chris' forté is matching up in action matches.
It is not possible to rate a person's game by YouTube or videos. I'm not so sure Kelly's speed is known as well as Chris'. The general public has seen Chris more in action than Kelly when it comes to gambling. I am reminded of Keith's track record with Alex. He has defeated Alex in every tournament they came up against each other, but in action games, Alex's record beats Keith. Go figure! But it illustrates my point.
Before anybody attacks my post, no, I don't want to bet. I'm just providing a few thoughts on the match if it takes place. :smile:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. A LONG race is 150% different from playing tournaments. Bart in a long race against almost ANYONE, is going to be tough action. When's the last time Kelly played a long set, if ever? Race to 50+, or 15 ahead is going to favor the better grinder between these two. Who do you really think that is?
LMAO. The match will never happen because she would never get a backer to play Chris. People, for the most part, like money. You clearly don't. Maybe you would like to back her to play Chris???
Because JB you are falling into the same trap as 98% of the pool world. Pool is not a main stream sport. Pool is not even a minor sport anymore. There are plenty of leagues still but there is no pro tour, there are no consistent group of pro events. There is no organization to the sport. Their is no recognition in the sport. To compare pool to boxing is a joke. I have had friends that boxed. Just locally they make more in one bout than a professional pool player will make in a month.
Any pool player should take what they can get. If they can take it gambling, then they should do so instead of practicing in their basement.
To answer your other question - Ask SVB or Alex or Santos how much he has won gambling on pool the last 3 years even outside the new TAR format. This is a short list that is really much bigger. I also know of one female pool player that has done quite well gambling as well.
If I was a pro caliber pool player, I guarantee I could win $200 a day for the next 20 years. $75,000 tax free money a year without having to punch a clock or answer to anyone sounds good to me.
Here is the current money list for 2013. Anyone that falls below Alex should be gambling every day, have a great sponsor or a second 'job'.
Francisco Bustamante $45,893
Dennis Orcollo $34,300
Kelly Fisher $34,000
Shane Van Boening $29,285
Alex Pagulayan $22,150
Corey Deuel $17,250
Jasmin Ouschan $15,000
Niels Feijen $14,695
Thorsten Hohmann $12,925
Ga-Young Kim $11,300
Ronnie Alcano $11,125
Justin Hall $10,861
Johnny Archer $10,650
Shawn Putnam $8,800
Jayson Shaw $8,405
Mike Dechaine $8,300
Warren Kiamco $8,167
Jason Klatt $7,275
Rodney Morris $7,200
Monica Webb $6,300
Chieh-Yu Chou $6,000
Pei-Jen Tsai $6,000
Karen Corr $5,725
Allison Fisher $5,550
Konstantin Stepanov $5,473
Danny Smith $5,150
Darren Appleton $5,075
Jeremy Sossei $4,850
Joey Gray $4,475
Mike Davis $4,050
Hope you're feeling better, Mr. Watchez! :smile:
What I always find amusing about gambling exploits -- and this definitely includes my other half -- is that you always hear about the wins. One very rarely or NEVER hears about the losses.
Though $200 (tax free) a day seems like a good living, what about the times that you lose? As we all know, in pool you can't win every single time you gamble.
Today, to me it seems everybody is either a chicken or a crawfish when it comes to gambling in pool. Nobody wants to gamble. They're looking for a lock or somebody to drop their wallet. In this regard, it is quite difficult to book $200-a-day wins.
Thanks JAM. I'm down about 25 pounds in less than 6 weeks.
You could go out every day JAM and wouldn't even be gambling in the true sense of the word. I have seen players such as Buddy Hall and Nick Varner roll thru St Louis and play people even just for the mere fact to play them. I have a friend that is in Hard Times daily and says Efren shows up and is basically handed $500 when he walks in the door. Again, just a short list of examples. I know those are Hall of Famers but I have seen it plenty of times with lesser pro players as well. People will get up there to play. Especially if you know where to go and who to play.
You could go out every day JAM and wouldn't even be gambling in the true sense of the word. I have seen players such as Buddy Hall and Nick Varner roll thru St Louis and play people even just for the mere fact to play them. I have a friend that is in Hard Times daily and says Efren shows up and is basically handed $500 when he walks in the door. Again, just a short list of examples. I know those are Hall of Famers but I have seen it plenty of times with lesser pro players as well. People will get up there to play. Especially if you know where to go and who to play.
Thanks for the experienced and rational input, Donny.
I started this thread to try to get interest in women playing other women in long challenge matches. Next thing you know it's the Chris Bartram vs. "The Other Gender" Show (no blame directed at Chris). On the other side you have Jenny Malloy cheering her on (can't you just see Keith sitting there shaking his head "no... No"?). Now it's a long, grueling match that's being proposed against him (a notorious money player and road warrior), what is it, race to 50 games, or 15 ahead. Funny, that's twice as long as each daily TAR match.
Can you imagine how long Shane and Bustie would have to play for one of them to pull ahead 15 games?
Let's let them play one-hole, 8 ahead like when Alex and Scott went at it. Might as well make it as difficult as possible for a woman to beat a man, just to try to prove the gender supremacy thesis, right?
What saddens me most is that TAR seems to have little interest in seeing women play in a conventional TAR match. I realize that TAR is a cutting-edge business that is at the present only marginally successful in a very tough market, and therefore don't have bottomless pockets. Still, taking an occasional well-promoted flyer on something different than the same old same old might reap unexpected rewards.
I'm going to have to rethink my commitment to supporting live stream PPVs if all I ever get to see are the same players over and over again. I love a steak dinner, but if I had to eat steak every night I'm sure I'd soon tire of it. Lobster, salmon, duck, ribs, etc. round out my culinary interests. Same applies to pool.
Personally, as long as the players are world-class and are evenly matched, I don't give a flying **** what their sex is - I wanna watch them. One of the most exciting matches I ever watched was when an up-and-coming 20 year-old sensation named Jasmin Ouschan took down the great Allison Fisher after being down three games in the finals of the 2006 BCA 9-Ball Open in Las Vegas. IMO very few men's matches have generated as much suspense as that one.
I think if TAR put on any kind of women's match..singles or mixed doubles..they would absolutely lose $. I like a lot of the women players and its no offense to them personally or their talents but their isnt a market for it for free..let alone PPV..and there is no real rivalry to try and maybe "piggy back" it or package it with 4 players playing semis..and the winners playing finals, same day same stream one price to where it would be profitable. Of course my opinion only.
Wow! I would venture to guess that is *at least* 10 percent of what was your body weight. Congratulations!
True dat. I have experienced that with various players, but it would be tough to get that kind of action every day, even 5 days a week. I guess it depends on where you go.
This is one reason why pros competing in regional tours or weekend events is fun for some non-pro competitors. They get the change to play against good players, and in some instances, this helps to improve their game, and if they catch lightning in the jug, it's a feat they can boast about.
People love to share with their pool buddies how they beat so-and-so pro player in a pool tournament.
wtf are you smoking?
Off topic here, but your chance to watch a TAR match should be NOW. Shane vs Efren. It's like a chance to get into Apple stock at $30 or whatever it was before the iPod, a no-brainer.
I agree with this. Anytime I get the chance to play an elite player, I will gladly donate $100 playing them even. Pros will get this every time against me until they show their ass. I can think of at least 5 pros that will never get a cent from me because of their douchebag nature.
I know Grady Matthews made a fortune with saying that if he didn't know who you were, you were automatically spotted 9-7.
And yes the pro player needs to understand how to work it. I saw one pro become upset that a shortstop who agreed to play him with no spot wouldn't bet $200 a set. The pro just sat there and said, I'm a BCA Hall of Famer so I deserve to play for $200. I bet the shortstop would have lost $500 at $100. Not bad for 3-4 hours of 'work'.
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