the culprit that threw the pacifier at Earl Strickland

Let's see if we can all agree on this.

Earl is volatile! We all know that. A lot of times, there are people in the crowd that actually try to bring this volatility out. I have actually seen this live on three occassions. At the Big Apple Challenge, I actually heard a guy say to his friend "50 bucks says I can get him to loss it in 2 minutes". Earl was playing Efren at the time.

Now if you KNOW a guy is likely to go on tilt, as a fan, should you behave yourself so it DOESN'T happen? Did you notice the Euro fans, and Peach himself, got worse as Earl got closer to beating Peach. They WANTED him to do on tilt!!

I am NOT saying he should go on tilt. I am saying, that causing it then whining is a little light flipping a light switch then cursing the light!! DON'T FLIP THE SWITCH AND YOU WON'T GET THE LIGHT.

Can we agree on that?
 
Fleece3 said:
Let's see if we can all agree on this.

Earl is volatile! We all know that. A lot of times, there are people in the crowd that actually try to bring this volatility out. I have actually seen this live on three occassions. At the Big Apple Challenge, I actually heard a guy say to his friend "50 bucks says I can get him to loss it in 2 minutes". Earl was playing Efren at the time.

Now if you KNOW a guy is likely to go on tilt, as a fan, should you behave yourself so it DOESN'T happen? Did you notice the Euro fans, and Peach himself, got worse as Earl got closer to beating Peach. They WANTED him to do on tilt!!

I am NOT saying he should go on tilt. I am saying, that causing it then whining is a little light flipping a light switch then cursing the light!! DON'T FLIP THE SWITCH AND YOU WON'T GET THE LIGHT.

Can we agree on that?
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imho you screw up the principle of cause and effect.
earl flips the switch himself, always. now he's staying in the line of fire once again.

i believe without earl the cup were more "politely" and more respectful.
maybe usa could have been more successful without those provocations caused by him, concentrating on the relevant things in pool to win the cup.

i think, earl makes it harder for team usa. good for europe...

see you next year (without the pearl?)

karsten
 
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sneak_peter said:
...maybe usa could have been more successful without those provocations caused by him, concentrating on the relevant things in pool to win the cup....
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Wish it were true, but it ain't. Team USA, for whatever reason, this year was off kilter.

That said, it has nothing to do with the caliber of their play. Each one of Team USA members are capable of smashing any one of the Team Europe members' butts at any given time, no question in my mind. None of those European Mosconi Cup players are unbeatable. I've seen them all fall down before. :o

My opinion is that the drive to win by Team Europe was greater than Team USA's drive this year. This is not to say that I think Team USA members did not want to win. Of course, they did.

I don't think the Vegas environment is an ideal place for some -- not all --pool players for competition. There are just too many distractions. I think Team Europe wasn't as distracted by Vegas and all of its so-called "amenities," thereby allowing them to spend more time to bond, practice, and strategize. If you want to win, you gotta give it your all. :)

JAM
 
okay, I watched the vid again and it most probably was Peach to throw smth at Earl. But what exactly was it? Some are talking about a pacifier but before I noticed someone referred it as a dummy? And as far as I recall in the postgame interview Ralf was asked about a dummy as well. To me seems like two different things they are, p. and d.? Or was it a dummy with a pacifier? :D
 
Vahmurka said:
okay, I watched the vid again and it most probably was Peach to throw smth at Earl. But what exactly was it? Some are talking about a pacifier but before I noticed someone referred it as a dummy? And as far as I recall in the postgame interview Ralf was asked about a dummy as well. To me seems like two different things they are, p. and d.? Or was it a dummy with a pacifier? :D
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http://www.babycentre.co.uk/baby/dailycare/dummies&pacifiers/
http://www.babycenter.com.au/baby/newborn/whendummy/

Think: Keep silent.
:)
Best regards,

JoeyA
 
I Wondered If Randi Knew

Fleece3 said:
DUDE!!!! Get a GRIP!!!

Did you just compare Earl to Hitler:eek:

Hitler killed 6 million people...... Earl smashed a cue
Ted Bundy confessed to killing 29 people.....Earl stormed out of a finals once
Dahmer murdered, raped, and ate 17 men and boys....Earl screamed at the crowd
Gacy raped and killed 33 BOYS.....Earl refused to shake hands

Dude while I respect your right to your opinion...I don't think you REALLY meant this one.

PLEASE tell me I am right!
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"Gacy raped and killed 33 BOYS.....Earl refused to shake hands"


Jesus, I have to stop drinking Jack Daniels while I'm playing online poker.
I thought it said "Grady raped and killed 33 BOYS....."
Doug
( Oy-Vey..... what next ? ) :)
 
All spectator sports are also theatre. How that theatre is managed varies from sport to sport and depends on the audience, the producers, the venue, and the traditions of that sport. Would we enjoy basketball as much in a silent arena as we do in a noisy, partisan crowd? Would we enjoy tennis as much as we do in a stadium so loud you can't hear the ball on the clay or the grunt of a big serve?

Since pool is just now developing into a world wide sport (as opposed to a sport played in many parts of the world) it should come as no big surprise that fans and players from different parts of the world have different standards of behavior.

As an American and a pool player, I find Earl's behavior distasteful and embarrassing. However, as a spectator, I enjoy watching his antics as much as I enjoy the chanting and taunting fans.

On the original subject... Was it really a pacifier? The thing that was thrown seemed bigger than that to me. A doll, or a rag, perhaps. If it was a pacifier, the thrower made a beautifully appropriate choice. Maybe the Mosconi Cup could give an award every year to the biggest whiner at the event. They could call it "The Earl Strickland Golden Pacifier Award" and present it with howls of laughter. It might make good television.
 
here we go again

Fleece3 said:
DUDE!!!! Get a GRIP!!!

Did you just compare Earl to Hitler:eek:

Hitler killed 6 million people...... Earl smashed a cue
Ted Bundy confessed to killing 29 people.....Earl stormed out of a finals once
Dahmer murdered, raped, and ate 17 men and boys....Earl screamed at the crowd
Gacy raped and killed 33 BOYS.....Earl refused to shake hands

Dude while I respect your right to your opinion...I don't think you REALLY meant this one.

PLEASE tell me I am right!
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DUDE! i so didn't compare earl with those men.

my post was directed to the guy who was defending earl because he knows the real earl.

my point was that guy and the many others who have stuck up for earl because they know earl are too close to be unbiased.

the men that i used in my post were chosen to show even in the most extreme cases friendship and family can greatly fog ppl's views.

just because you get along with someone shouldn't erase how that person treats other ppl.

and peach having the doll or pacifier in his pocket before hand only cements things for me.earl has done this so many times before that they knew he would again and they were ready for him.

i also love how the one time offender peach is now going to be treated the same way as the multiple offender strickland.let's all give daryl as many passes as earl's had.
 
Fleece3 said:
If you believe this, why did YOU jump on me for expressing mine:eek:



I assure you I am not Earl. MANY AZ'ers have met me in person. Ask around, you can start with Jude.
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We can agree to disagree on this subject, and you are right you are entitled to your opinion, that is why I served our country in the US Army for 23 years to protect our rights to have one.

Have a nice day!!
 
havoc said:
and peach having the doll or pacifier in his pocket before hand only cements things for me.earl has done this so many times before that they knew he would again and they were ready for him.

i also love how the one time offender peach is now going to be treated the same way as the multiple offender strickland.let's all give daryl as many passes as earl's had.
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Show me ONE TIME Earl got a pass.

I think Earl regularly gets MICRO-WATCHED by every wannabee pool player in the world.

JoeyA
 
I saw it up close and personal. Earl was a cancer on this team. No one could talk to him and no one could get near him. His team members were forced to avoid him all week. There was constant tension in the practice room. It was not the amenities of Vegas that did this team in.

Earl did not one time show up in the arena in support of his fellow players. NOT ONCE! Did anyone notice that the European team was out in force all week supporting their players? Only a handful of U.S. players were ever present for another player's match. And never was Earl seen except when he had to play.
 
Fleece3 said:
Let's see if we can all agree on this.

Earl is volatile! We all know that. A lot of times, there are people in the crowd that actually try to bring this volatility out. I have actually seen this live on three occassions. At the Big Apple Challenge, I actually heard a guy say to his friend "50 bucks says I can get him to loss it in 2 minutes". Earl was playing Efren at the time.

Now if you KNOW a guy is likely to go on tilt, as a fan, should you behave yourself so it DOESN'T happen? Did you notice the Euro fans, and Peach himself, got worse as Earl got closer to beating Peach. They WANTED him to do on tilt!!

I am NOT saying he should go on tilt. I am saying, that causing it then whining is a little light flipping a light switch then cursing the light!! DON'T FLIP THE SWITCH AND YOU WON'T GET THE LIGHT.

Can we agree on that?
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Celebrities of any kind must deal with the problems you have outlined above. Their behavior, however, during these attacks will do one of two things. It will cause further out bursts from the audience or it will stop them, I mean we all know that if you allow and show that something bothers you have opened the door for more of the same in the future.

Earls problems stem from Earl, his behavior over the years has created an atmosphere for these attacks. The best thing for Earl is to seek some mental help, because he has issues!!!!!! I also think that it is a shame because if you and others who know him and consider him a friend do not attempt to help him the word friend is meaningless. In addition, by defending him you only stand to enable his bad behavior, which serves no purpose at all.

I have always though that Earl was one of the great players of our time. But until he adjusts his actions in a public forum, I can not stand up for him even in the face of the actions of others.
 
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longhair said:
As an American and a pool player, I find Earl's behavior distasteful and embarrassing. However, as a spectator, I enjoy watching his antics as much as I enjoy the chanting and taunting fans.
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Exactly. You're torn between him debasing the sport you love, and watching the carcrash that is Earl Strickland. He's made for the Mosconi Cup. But if pool had a governing body it's a fair bet he'd only be part way through a lengthy ban. If disrepute is what you're after though, look no further.

Boro Nut
 
That's What I'm Known For.... My THINKING

jay helfert said:
I saw it up close and personal. Earl was a cancer on this team. No one could talk to him and no one could get near him. His team members were forced to avoid him all week. There was constant tension in the practice room. It was not the amenities of Vegas that did this team in.

Earl did not one time show up in the arena in support of his fellow players. NOT ONCE! Did anyone notice that the European team was out in force all week supporting their players? Only a handful of U.S. players were ever present for another player's match. And never was Earl seen except when he had to play.
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And that's why, next year, I propose that Earl Strickland be replaced by "The Polish Prince" John Dovinsky.

Doug
( and Johnny will be replaced by Keith McCready.......... and THEN I will subscribe to watch it... imo ) :)



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manwon said:
Celebrities of any kind must deal with the problems you have outlined above.
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Yeah right!!

Tiger has to put up with fans heckling him during the final round!!

Do you realize how QUICK a person will be ejected for heckling Tiger? (or any other pro golfer)

Pretty much the same in any other PRO sport.

Bowling....don't think so.
Basketball....nope.
Baseball.......nope.
Hockey....maybe, but not for long.

What other sports will they put up with hecklers??

Rick S.
 
jay helfert said:
I saw it up close and personal. Earl was a cancer on this team. No one could talk to him and no one could get near him. His team members were forced to avoid him all week. There was constant tension in the practice room. It was not the amenities of Vegas that did this team in.

Earl did not one time show up in the arena in support of his fellow players. NOT ONCE! Did anyone notice that the European team was out in force all week supporting their players? Only a handful of U.S. players were ever present for another player's match. And never was Earl seen except when he had to play.
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You painted a rosier picture when talking about the team meal that Fatboy arranged Jay. Was Earl at that meal? Just curious.

Edit: I see you answered this on another thread. It's hard to keep up with all the Mosconi cup threads.
 
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manwon said:
Celebrities of any kind must deal with the problems you have outlined above. Their behavior, however, during these attacks will do one of two things. It will cause further out bursts from the audience or it will stop them, I mean we all know that if you allow and show that something bothers you have opened the door for more of the same in the future.

Earls problems stem from Earl, his behavior over the years has created an atmosphere for these attacks. The best thing for Earl is to seek some mental help, because he has issues!!!!!! I also think that it is a shame because if you and others who know him and consider him a friend do not attempt to help him the word friend is meaningless. In addition, by defending him you only stand to enable his bad behavior, which serves no purpose at all.

I have always though that Earl was one of the great players of our time. But until he adjusts his actions in a public forum, I can not stand up for him even in the face of the actions of others.
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Craig, don't assume that those who claim to be Earl's friend, have not tried to help him.

Even so, the vilest people deserve compassion, just maybe not from the injured party, although it has always been ironic to me to see the injured party the first to forgive the perpertrator of the crime.

Earl is not vile.

Earl is not a criminal.

He has problems. He admits it. He is working on them.

While I don't condone some of his behavior, I believe that some of the sickest people are those who with intent, instigate his bad behavior shifts.
And no it isn't ALL their faults either.

It is shared by all of US who view the un-coaxed bad behavior from him and do nothing but make judgments without knowing all of the facts.

I feel that he is more often than not, prodded and poked to most of the furor that we all see and despise. I see very sick people getting off on seeing Earl behave miserably. Some even want to get down in the mud with him.

On those occasions when Earl is not prodded and poked, the authorities (tournament directors- tournament promoters) need to administer the proper penalty. That is the first line of correction.

This forum should be the last line of correction, especially from us.

Oh, and please accept my personal thanks for serving our country so generously!

JoeyA (and no, I am not Earl's friend).
 
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