The only way I will ever play 9 ball again...

[sokaiba]

I don't really care for the game. I don't know if it is the luck factor or that I think it is mindless pool fodder. The following are the only rules I will ever use to play this game.

Scratch goes in the kitchen after the break or on any scratched shot, the incoming player has the option to differ to the fouling player if they so wish, even after the break.
In game fouls are played where they lie, no ball in hand, the incomming player has the option to differ or take the shot as they see fit.
All shots are call pocket.
Making the 9 ball out of turn results in a loss to the shooting player. The 9 ball if made on the break, spots on the foot spot.

If anyone else has any other ideas to make the game a little more "pure", please let me know.

Kai

 

[cleary]

I don't really care for the game. I don't know if it is the luck factor or that I think it is mindless pool fodder. The following are the only rules I will ever use to play this game.

Scratch goes in the kitchen after the break or on any scratched shot, the incoming player has the option to differ to the fouling player if they so wish, even after the break.
In game fouls are played where they lie, no ball in hand, the incomming player has the option to differ or take the shot as they see fit.
All shots are call pocket.
Making the 9 ball out of turn results in a loss to the shooting player. The 9 ball if made on the break, spots on the foot spot.

If anyone else has any other ideas to make the game a little more "pure", please let me know.

Kai

Thanks for letting us know.

 

[sfleinen]

I don't really care for the game. I don't know if it is the luck factor or that I think it is mindless pool fodder. The following are the only rules I will ever use to play this game.

Scratch goes in the kitchen after the break or on any scratched shot, the incoming player has the option to differ to the fouling player if they so wish, even after the break.
In game fouls are played where they lie, no ball in hand, the incomming player has the option to differ or take the shot as they see fit.
All shots are call pocket.
Making the 9 ball out of turn results in a loss to the shooting player. The 9 ball if made on the break, spots on the foot spot.

If anyone else has any other ideas to make the game a little more "pure", please let me know.

Kai

You're shoveling shi... I mean, sand... against the tide, Kai. No way are those rules going to fly. Texas Express is not just bolted, but WELDED, to the hip (and the players' mindsets) of 9-ball. No use in trying to "BandAid" a broken game.

No use in fighting that battle. If you're looking for a doorway into a new world of rotation pool that I think you'll like, play 10-ball. The numbskulls scrambling to "reach up" from 9-ball to play this "much ballyhooed" game of 10-ball -- but take T.E. rules with them -- will find out *they* (not you) are shoveling the "stuff" against the tide. You echo the sentiments of a lot of folks interested in bringing the skill and commitment/accountability back into the game of rotation pool. That's why the game of 10-ball was resurrected from the ashes of time -- to deal precisely and specifically with this issue of 9-ball no longer being a respected/professional game.

I feel ya. Play 10-ball. You'll be a happier camper.
-Sean

 

[cleary]

See, the thing is, luck goes both ways. In a 9ball tournament... if you lost on a lucky shot, ya, that sucks. If you are gambling and you lost on a lucky shot, do it again. Everyone gets lucky and there is luck involved in ALL games. You are a 1p guy, right? So you have a ball in the jaws of your pocket and I take it out... and it ends up in my pocket. Luck? Of course...

But it will always go both ways. The better play will outrun the luck more often than not and also create his own luck. Making your own rules to fit YOU won't do you any good. The only people that will play you like that are the ones that don't care what rules you want, cause they are robbing you anyway.

Playing a weaker player, you want there to be lucky, its the only way they will want to play and thats how you get paid.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

9ball = JUNK.

Anyone who thinks luck equals out in pool, has no idea what they are talking about.
Rolls do NOT even out.
Some people are lucky, and some people are not, and this is CONSISTENT across the years.

Luck evens out = JOKE.

 

[dr9ball]

I don't really care for the game. I don't know if it is the luck factor or that I think it is mindless pool fodder. The following are the only rules I will ever use to play this game.

Scratch goes in the kitchen after the break or on any scratched shot, the incoming player has the option to differ to the fouling player if they so wish, even after the break.
In game fouls are played where they lie, no ball in hand, the incoming player has the option to differ or take the shot as they see fit.
All shots are call pocket.
Making the 9 ball out of turn results in a loss to the shooting player. The 9 ball if made on the break, spots on the foot spot.

If anyone else has any other ideas to make the game a little more "pure", please let me know.

Kai

Interesting, so here's my thought for a pure game. (there's a bit of sarcasm here also)

Have each player play a race to 9, 10 or 11 against the ghost. Break and shoot from where the cueball stops, scratch on the break, the ghost wins. No safties either. Either you run out for a point or you loose. After each rack you switch players. At the end the highest score against the ghost wins, however low that may be.

 

[JoeyA]

9ball = JUNK.

Anyone who thinks luck equals out in pool, has no idea what they are talking about.
Rolls do NOT even out.
Some people are lucky, and some people are not, and this is CONSISTENT across the years.

Luck evens out = JOKE.

So............. are you lucky or unlucky?

 

[cleary]

9ball = JUNK.

Anyone who thinks luck equals out in pool, has no idea what they are talking about.
Rolls do NOT even out.
Some people are lucky, and some people are not, and this is CONSISTENT across the years.

Luck evens out = JOKE.

100 percent, with all my heart... disagree.

Nobody will constantly get lucky or unlucky. People have bad days, where things don't go well, but in the long haul, it all evens out.

Just like a casino, luck runs out.

My friends call me "the luckiest man alive", but trust me, I don't alway get the rolls in pool, golf, poker, ect. Hell, most of the time I was playing that '6 rail combo in the side', 'off the tree, 3' from the pin", "straight on the river".

 

[cleary]

So............. are you lucky or unlucky?

I'm gonna guess he has never 'got lucky'.

 

[McChen]

9ball = JUNK.

Anyone who thinks luck equals out in pool, has no idea what they are talking about.
Rolls do NOT even out.
Some people are lucky, and some people are not, and this is CONSISTENT across the years.

Luck evens out = JOKE.

umm...well yes they really should if it's "luck" aka a random event.

perhaps if some people are "lucky" consistently over time, perhaps you should think it's not really luck, but something else....perhaps skill

 

[sfleinen]

9ball = JUNK.

Anyone who thinks luck equals out in pool, has no idea what they are talking about.
Rolls do NOT even out.
Some people are lucky, and some people are not, and this is CONSISTENT across the years.

Luck evens out = JOKE.

Bingo. And how would you (the royal you, not you personally, SS) feel if you lost a tourney because of "luck"? The hypothesis that "luck evens out" doesn't make one feel better during that particular time that he/she played well, but still got beat when his/her opponent didn't exactly outplay him/her. Does it make me feel better that luck "supposedly" evens out when I just lost a tourney due to it not being in my favor at that particular time, but gee, "it might be in my favor next time?" Nope. I want to be OUTPLAYED, not outrolled.

Take the luck out of it. Bring the skill, commitment, and accountability back into the game.

-Sean

 

[Black-Balled]

Luck/ the long-run.

But like anything, all possibilities exist from one extreme to the other.

 

[sokaiba]

10 ball is cool, but I still think ball in hand is a bit too strong. I think I'm just an old timer at heart and want to see the push out game or something similar come back.
As far as one pocket goes it is much more planned, you know the OB has a chance of caromming off the pack and you have to hit it right to do so. Trying to pull a ball out of a pocket is a crap shoot sometimes, but there are good shots there as well. But slamming the object ball towards the nine and hopeing that something good is going to happen is luck and just banging balls. JMHO.

Kai

 

[Black-Balled]

10 ball is cool, but I still think ball in hand is a bit too strong. I think I'm just an old timer at heart and want to see the push out game or something similar come back.
As far as one pocket goes it is much more planned, you know the OB has a chance of caromming off the pack and you have to hit it right to do so. Trying to pull a ball out of a pocket is a crap shoot sometimes, but there are good shots there as well. But slamming the object ball towards the nine and hopeing that something good is going to happen is luck and just banging balls. JMHO.

Kai

Shouldn't a decent player hope his opponent slams balls around every game?

 

[Big Perm]

Cleary made a really good post....

I've played in thousands of 9-ball games and played in many a 9-ball tournament.....most of the time, I won matches I was expected to win.....I also mostly lost matches I was expected to lose.....and the longer the race, the more likely the outcome went to the better player.....

Who are all these lucky 9 ball players that always get the rolls? Where are they hiding all the gold?

I love 1 pocket and play whenever I can.....sometimes I miss a leave by 1/2 inch and sell out....the next game, a different leave is spot on that same 1/2 inch and I win.....sometimes a ball gets caught in the jaws and bounces out, sometimes it stays, and sometimes it falls....same with 14.1, banks, 8-ball, and so on.....sometimes that little piece of broken chalk on the table is my friend, sometimes it's not.....sometimes the table rolls off in my favor, sometimes not.....

Like it or not, luck exists in all games, but the better player always has the edge.....Gary Player said, "the more I practice, the luckier I get".....which translates to my misses are smaller, therefore I'm more likely to avoid hazards and problems....

 

[sokaiba]

Bingo. And how would you (the royal you, not you personally, SS) feel if you lost a tourney because of "luck"? The hypothesis that "luck evens out" doesn't make one feel better during that particular time that he/she played well, but still got beat when his/her opponent didn't exactly outplay him/her. Does it make me feel better that luck "supposedly" evens out when I just lost a tourney due to it not being in my favor at that particular time, but gee, "it might be in my favor next time?" Nope. I want to be OUTPLAYED, not outrolled.

Take the luck out of it. Bring the skill, commitment, and accountability back into the game.

-Sean

Well said.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

So............. are you lucky or unlucky?

Half and half. Not polarized to one extreme or the other when it comes to me shooting and producing my own rolls. But that's not the luck i am talking about.

What i am talking about is when i am sitting down and approach the table for my shot and am being punished for a miss by my opponent, or when a shot gone wrong for my opponent results in them winning the game instantaneously, or allowing them to continue shooting so that they can execute something properly.
i.e. I AM NOT SHOOTING WHEN THE LUCK HAPPENS.

 

[bigdaddy58]

lUCKY?

Who was it that said "So.......you feeling lucky............punk?"
I don't think the guy he was talking to was feeling to lucky.

 

[dr9ball]

10 ball is cool, but I still think ball in hand is a bit too strong. I think I'm just an old timer at heart and want to see the push out game or something similar come back.
As far as one pocket goes it is much more planned, you know the OB has a chance of caromming off the pack and you have to hit it right to do so. Trying to pull a ball out of a pocket is a crap shoot sometimes, but there are good shots there as well. But slamming the object ball towards the nine and hopeing that something good is going to happen is luck and just banging balls. JMHO.

Kai

So what if the player shoots a combo with the 9 at a normal stroke speed. Is that luck? What if he calls the shot, is that luck too?

 

[sokaiba]

Cleary made a really good post....

I've played in thousands of 9-ball games and played in many a 9-ball tournament.....most of the time, I won matches I was expected to win.....I also mostly lost matches I was expected to lose.....and the longer the race, the more likely the outcome went to the better player.....

Who are all these lucky 9 ball players that always get the rolls? Where are they hiding all the gold?

I love 1 pocket and play whenever I can.....sometimes I miss a leave by 1/2 inch and sell out....the next game, a different leave is spot on that same 1/2 inch and I win.....sometimes a ball gets caught in the jaws and bounces out, sometimes it stays, and sometimes it falls....same with 14.1, banks, 8-ball, and so on.....sometimes that little piece of broken chalk on the table is my friend, sometimes it's not.....sometimes the table rolls off in my favor, sometimes not.....

Like it or not, luck exists in all games, but the better player always has the edge.....Gary Player said, "the more I practice, the luckier I get".....which translates to my misses are smaller, therefore I'm more likely to avoid hazards and problems....

Missing a shot or shape is not bad luck, it is a lack of the oppropriate skill to get the job done. If I miss I have no problem losing, but if some guy craps in 7 racks in a row, F*** that!