And I'd add that it takes a whole lot more than ability to be successful in pro-level tourneys.
the "v" a question to all coaches out there
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And I'd add that it takes a whole lot more than ability to be successful in pro-level tourneys.
Dave...I gave you credit for "introducing" the peace sign 'technique' to many people, via your website. That said, I saw the technique being used in the '70's, and I was teaching it, in college classes in the 80's. Now...when exactly did you invent it? 
You have certainly made it available to the masses, and for that I thank you. Many people benefit from the information provided on your site! :thumbup:
Here's the really funny rub...this thread is totally about something else, to which I am clueless!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
You have certainly made it available to the masses, and for that I thank you. Many people benefit from the information provided on your site! :thumbup:Here's the really funny rub...this thread is totally about something else, to which I am clueless!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
That's no PEACE SIGN!
You nor Dave introduced the V (VICTORY) sign to me. :grin:
Fred Agnir showed it to me a few years back and I use it regularly with the physical motion of putting the horizontal 30 degree V over the object ball to confirm the path of the object ball just to chap my opponent's butt. j/k, it's for me....
I've shown it to scores of students.
OK, Fred said he learned it from Dr. Dave's website.......
Dr. Dave knows how to squerve.
JoeyA
Dave...I gave you credit for "introducing" the peace sign 'technique' to many people, via your website. That said, I saw the technique being used in the '70's, and I was teaching it, in college classes in the 80's. Now...when exactly did you invent it?
Here's the really funny rub...this thread is totally about something else, to which I am clueless!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
You nor Dave introduced the V (VICTORY) sign to me. :grin:
Fred Agnir showed it to me a few years back and I use it regularly with the physical motion of putting the horizontal 30 degree V over the object ball to confirm the path of the object ball just to chap my opponent's butt. j/k, it's for me....
I've shown it to scores of students.
OK, Fred said he learned it from Dr. Dave's website.......
Dr. Dave knows how to squerve.
JoeyA
I wasn't trying to stir up any crap with Lee. I am just SO TIRED of all the snake-oil salesmen on here telling me they can improve my game if I buy their video, or learning the "v" or anything else that is a quick fix. At the stage my game is at right now, it comes down to repeating my fundamentals, and hitting a lot more balls. The "v" or "Perfect Aim" are not going to turn me into a pool playing machine like these guys promise. It's like all the fitness stuff available on TV. You will get NOTHING out of the lessons unless you religiously devote yourself to getting better.
Lee may have some fantastic material, but as of late on AZB, all I have heard is "my aiming system is the best", or "I can promise you the best stroke ever" or "I make a break cue better than anyone else's". ENOUGH with the infomercials disguised as posts. Could we get a category called "Coaching" or "Postmercials"?
Thanks
Thank you Lee for starting this thread we concentrate so much on aiming methods that it is often forgotten about where the CB is really going. Although somewhat vague in description I have become more conscious of where the CB is going using what I think you mean in your "V" system and it has helped me be more realistic as to where it is actually going rather than the fantasy world which I live sometimes of where I hoped it would go. Sorry you got so much flack over this but I am letting you know that you did help at least one person on AZ so do not be deterred from posting as I would be very disappointed.
Thank you Lee for starting this thread we concentrate so much on aiming methods that it is often forgotten about where the CB is really going. Although somewhat vague in description I have become more conscious of where the CB is going using what I think you mean in your "V" system and it has helped me be more realistic as to where it is actually going rather than the fantasy world which I live sometimes of where I hoped it would go. Sorry you got so much flack over this but I am letting you know that you did help at least one person on AZ so do not be deterred from posting as I would be very disappointed.
Wrong party you are thanking. It should be Dr. Dave/ Scott Lee/ JoeyA's 'V' that you are thanking.
Lee's 'V' theory is something other than what you speak of, I believe.
I wish I could close this thread! It is making me dizzy.
shawn,
i agree i have had enough of folks selling their wares (buy my dvd, it costs a ton, but will make you play like god). i'm specifically thinking of "the perfect aim" here.
however i think you crossed a line with lee. he wasnt selling anything. he was opening up some discussion. other instructors were responding and obviously didnt feel "called out". if the "v" he was talking about involved placement of the backhand as the link kindly provided by another poster suggested then i have to say that a simple adjustment has already helped my game. now i am robbed of any future help i may get from this poster. your action, instead of defending the instructors (who really dont need your help anyway) you have diminished the forum.
brian
I asked Lee what he was selling. He crossed the line by calling me some names (like an f'n idiot) and saying that I don't play at a high level. Lee and I have PMd back and forth, and we both understand where the other is coming from, and all is good. However, if you want to talk about diminishing a forum, look no further than the guys that hurl personal insults, and insults regarding someone's abilities before they've even seen someone else shoot.
Last week in league play, I ran 3 racks of 8ball in a row, and finished my match off 5-0 in 2 total innings. I think I play above normal for a guy that plays an hour a week. To insult my abilities based on an opinion is what is wrong with these boards.
well for those of us who dont play as well as the amazing shawn armstrong, we have lost the ability to gain knowledge from yet another pro. you can say what you want but you started it when you asked what he was selling which was in fact nothing. again he was opening up a topic for discussion. if you didnt want to participate in that discussion then maybe you just should have moved on to another thread. now a valuable resource is lost. no matter what you want to say you bear some responsibility for that.
brian
whats the deal
frankly it bugs me to make this lee brett clown anymore more known than he barely is but.
first off his first posts are about how in like 6 months hes going to be a propool player etc. i let that go .
then i notice his avatar with his high runs .i watch his practice runs and can see hes a solid pro caliber snooker player.
then i get a pm from him and the first thing out of his mouth would you like some coaching from someone with more ability than you.
i said forget all that and lets play for 10,000 and we will see about whos got more ability .
now remember weve never met and i dont think he has a clue who i am which is understandable.only he talks to me like im a beginner and need his advice.
now hes telling me off in pms.
to make things clear lee brett future self proclaimed pool superstar .i will play you 8ball,9ball,10ball,rotation,banks,14.1.1hole for a huge amount.
you see in pool we play more than one game like snooker so if you can learn enough in 6 months to play me all those pool games i guess you will be a propoolplayer in 6 months and i will be the first to say sorry and get your autograph.
so instead of talking shit on here and bragging and insulting people on here who cant beat you.
go get 10,000 or more and try picking on me instead of guys like shawn.
by the way if i played as much snooker as you and only had 10 maximums i think i would quit and apply at waffle house.
frankly it bugs me to make this lee brett clown anymore more known than he barely is but.
first off his first posts are about how in like 6 months hes going to be a propool player etc. i let that go .
then i notice his avatar with his high runs .i watch his practice runs and can see hes a solid pro caliber snooker player.
then i get a pm from him and the first thing out of his mouth would you like some coaching from someone with more ability than you.
i said forget all that and lets play for 10,000 and we will see about whos got more ability .
now remember weve never met and i dont think he has a clue who i am which is understandable.only he talks to me like im a beginner and need his advice.
now hes telling me off in pms.
to make things clear lee brett future self proclaimed pool superstar .i will play you 8ball,9ball,10ball,rotation,banks,14.1.1hole for a huge amount.
you see in pool we play more than one game like snooker so if you can learn enough in 6 months to play me all those pool games i guess you will be a propoolplayer in 6 months and i will be the first to say sorry and get your autograph.
so instead of talking shit on here and bragging and insulting people on here who cant beat you.
go get 10,000 or more and try picking on me instead of guys like shawn.
by the way if i played as much snooker as you and only had 10 maximums i think i would quit and apply at waffle house.
The way one carries oneself has a lot to do with other folks' perception of him/her
Folks:
Humbly, I think part of the problem is how Lee came across to the forum. If one takes a step back, clears his/her head for a moment, and reads the above post as if they've not seen it before, one has to sense there's an air of condescension being displayed by Lee.
I have to say, when I read Lee's post above, the first thought that popped into my head -- even though I *LOVE* the game of snooker myself -- is, "what a snooker snob!!" Let's take a look at the reason why, with some punctuation and grammar corrections:
"Do any of the coaches -- or anyone else on here -- know what the 'V' is, how this controls all of your shots, and the fact that the better you understand this, the better player you'll become?"
Part of this is a legitimate question -- Lee wants to know if the grip-hand "V" (forefinger and thumb) is taught by coaches that frequent here. But then he adds the condescending "...or anyone else here..." as well as "...know what it is..." bits (indicating a superiority complex -- which is actually a front for an inferiority complex). This is probably what set a couple of the more well-written posters here off. The way the post was worded, conveyed a bit of a "you little pool people" dismissive attitude. This is especially so, when one considers that Lee makes the grand prediction in other threads that he can become a professional pool player in as little as a couple of months.
Now, on the flip side of the coin, granted, this might be due to the poor grammar, run-on sentences, and cell-phone "TXT-speak" that made up the post. Perhaps it was not conveyed in the manner that Lee wanted, in which case, the blow-up in this thread would all be a misunderstanding.
Other folks' views about Lee (e.g. John Schmidt and the "would you like some coaching from someone with superior skills" PM he received from Lee) may vary, but hopefully it was all a misunderstanding.
-Sean
Folks:
Humbly, I think part of the problem is how Lee came across to the forum. If one takes a step back, clears his/her head for a moment, and reads the above post as if they've not seen it before, one has to sense there's an air of condescension being displayed by Lee.
I have to say, when I read Lee's post above, the first thought that popped into my head -- even though I *LOVE* the game of snooker myself -- is, "what a snooker snob!!" Let's take a look at the reason why, with some punctuation and grammar corrections:
"Do any of the coaches -- or anyone else on here -- know what the 'V' is, how this controls all of your shots, and the fact that the better you understand this, the better player you'll become?"
Part of this is a legitimate question -- Lee wants to know if the grip-hand "V" (forefinger and thumb) is taught by coaches that frequent here. But then he adds the condescending "...or anyone else here..." as well as "...know what it is..." bits (indicating a superiority complex -- which is actually a front for an inferiority complex). This is probably what set a couple of the more well-written posters here off. The way the post was worded, conveyed a bit of a "you little pool people" dismissive attitude. This is especially so, when one considers that Lee makes the grand prediction in other threads that he can become a professional pool player in as little as a couple of months.
Now, on the flip side of the coin, granted, this might be due to the poor grammar, run-on sentences, and cell-phone "TXT-speak" that made up the post. Perhaps it was not conveyed in the manner that Lee wanted, in which case, the blow-up in this thread would all be a misunderstanding.
Other folks' views about Lee (e.g. John Schmidt and the "would you like some coaching from someone with superior skills" PM he received from Lee) may vary, but hopefully it was all a misunderstanding.
-Sean
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I do know a little about the V in a golf grip and am now curious how that applies to playing pool.
yes but now youre out of luck. did you check out the link in post #3? if thats was lee was talking about its a pretty good explanation.
brian
a couple things piled into one post
Sean, the first paragraph of a recent post of yours:
Exactly -- TxSkin nails it in the bolded paragraph above. I recently had an offline discussion with a CTE booster who'll go unnamed, (Sean is a snarky sounding jerk getting in a cheap shot at somebody) who, after hearing about my credentials on a pool table, (What a big head, what the hell does Sean think his credentials are, I haven't noticed him winning any world championships) basically said to me, "Sean, just imagine your game after you invest the proper amount of time learning CTE. At your level, a ball, or even half a ball, is HUGE. Stop trying to aim at something you can't see [meaning, ghostball]. You don't need to get wound up in the specifics of 'why' CTE works -- just the 'fact' that it does work, and extract the enjoyment from what your game would be like with it -- almost insane."
Your second paragraph goes on boasting about your abilities.
Do I actually believe a word of what I have written about Sean above? Nope not a word because I already know he is a good guy. Had he been a stranger and I in a crappy mood when I read his post I could have easily put my own tone on his words and believed these things though. Most of the writing on the internet is without tone or with accidental tone. Few of us that have been here for many years don't have to plead guilty to have bitten somebody's head off for an innocent post either worded poorly or read at the wrong moment.
I didn't put any tone at all on Lee's post and I suspected that the "or anybody else here" was a simple edit added on after he proof read his post. I do the same thing myself when I realize I have directed my post to certain people and other people might be interested or able to answer a question.
As for his comments to John S, I notice that Lee has been fishing a bit on here with people large and small. I'd really like to see John play two sets with any of the top snooker players that he has had words with on here. Forget playing pool four different ways and play one set of snooker and one set of pool. John can choose eight ball, nine ball, ten ball, or straight pool. I think we all realize that One Pocket is as much about knowledge acquired over years as it is about ability on a table.
One match of each, on the face of things should be a split with John winning the pool and the snooker player winning the snooker. However John fancies himself a bit on the snooker table and does have some very respectable runs. The snooker players think they can play on a pool table and there is some indication that is true too if one focuses on pool for the six months Lee has used as a time frame.
If there must be a tie breaker how about three cushion or a similar game neither is known for playing?
I think a TAR pay per view with the players getting a piece of the gate would be great to watch and might shed some light on this long running argument about which players are the best. I'd give the snooker players a slight edge at the moment, maybe. I would have went all in on Efren at his peak if he spent even a few months on a snooker table. As I have said before, much of a person's ability transfers between pool and snooker. Taking a top player in either field lightly could prove expensive.
Hu
Sean, the first paragraph of a recent post of yours:
Exactly -- TxSkin nails it in the bolded paragraph above. I recently had an offline discussion with a CTE booster who'll go unnamed, (Sean is a snarky sounding jerk getting in a cheap shot at somebody) who, after hearing about my credentials on a pool table, (What a big head, what the hell does Sean think his credentials are, I haven't noticed him winning any world championships) basically said to me, "Sean, just imagine your game after you invest the proper amount of time learning CTE. At your level, a ball, or even half a ball, is HUGE. Stop trying to aim at something you can't see [meaning, ghostball]. You don't need to get wound up in the specifics of 'why' CTE works -- just the 'fact' that it does work, and extract the enjoyment from what your game would be like with it -- almost insane."
Your second paragraph goes on boasting about your abilities.
Do I actually believe a word of what I have written about Sean above? Nope not a word because I already know he is a good guy. Had he been a stranger and I in a crappy mood when I read his post I could have easily put my own tone on his words and believed these things though. Most of the writing on the internet is without tone or with accidental tone. Few of us that have been here for many years don't have to plead guilty to have bitten somebody's head off for an innocent post either worded poorly or read at the wrong moment.
I didn't put any tone at all on Lee's post and I suspected that the "or anybody else here" was a simple edit added on after he proof read his post. I do the same thing myself when I realize I have directed my post to certain people and other people might be interested or able to answer a question.
As for his comments to John S, I notice that Lee has been fishing a bit on here with people large and small. I'd really like to see John play two sets with any of the top snooker players that he has had words with on here. Forget playing pool four different ways and play one set of snooker and one set of pool. John can choose eight ball, nine ball, ten ball, or straight pool. I think we all realize that One Pocket is as much about knowledge acquired over years as it is about ability on a table.
One match of each, on the face of things should be a split with John winning the pool and the snooker player winning the snooker. However John fancies himself a bit on the snooker table and does have some very respectable runs. The snooker players think they can play on a pool table and there is some indication that is true too if one focuses on pool for the six months Lee has used as a time frame.
If there must be a tie breaker how about three cushion or a similar game neither is known for playing?
I think a TAR pay per view with the players getting a piece of the gate would be great to watch and might shed some light on this long running argument about which players are the best. I'd give the snooker players a slight edge at the moment, maybe. I would have went all in on Efren at his peak if he spent even a few months on a snooker table. As I have said before, much of a person's ability transfers between pool and snooker. Taking a top player in either field lightly could prove expensive.
Hu
Good Call:grin:
Lee, you've earned a vacation.
hi
if you cant play all the games pool offers than your not a well rounded great player who can win any tourney offered.
you have to master all pool games because we dont just play one game on tour or gambling.
all these guys who thinbk there great players because they can run a rack of 9ball crack me up.
if you cant play all the games pool offers than your not a well rounded great player who can win any tourney offered.
you have to master all pool games because we dont just play one game on tour or gambling.
all these guys who thinbk there great players because they can run a rack of 9ball crack me up.
Can I buy this V with some of my V-cash?
Is that bird still alive? I'd like to have a conversation at his earliest convenience.
John
No disrespect. I agree with both you and ShootingArts but, I don't know if this proves your point or disproves it but here's an example of a fairly well known 9 ball player vs a fairly well known 3 Cushion player competing at both games
There's 3 or 4 parts of each game. These are both part 1 for each.
Enjoy
9 Ball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh3r1_DIyTg&feature=related
3 Cushion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm2vSjJkypY&feature=related