They never saw the $$$$....

[Celtic]

Maybe I will really crank up the heat and throw in my hat for doing events and a "tour". I honestly think I can do a better job running this than those that are attempting. Just my thoughts - but I am sure welcome to comments. (I must be getting frustrated to even think this).

For the love of god PLEASE do Mark! With the resources at your disposal and the best amature ranking system for American pool that exists you could in time create a professional organization complete with tour cards and eventually create qualifying tournaments much like the PGA has through your amature system you have in place. You have the most consistent playing tables perfect for professional pool ready to go (and the tour would be marketing your own product to homes and halls). If anyone was going to try and do this you are a step or two ahead of most. Heck you already have the BCA Open as a premier event and it could become the flagship event.

For you to actually run the major professional tour of the USA would give you so many ways to use that and your amature tournaments and leagues in support of each other.

 

[JAM]

For the love of god PLEASE do Mark! With the resources at your disposal and the best amature ranking system for American pool that exists you could in time create a professional organization complete with tour cards and eventually create qualifying tournaments much like the PGA has through your amature system you have in place. You have the most consistent playing tables perfect for professional pool ready to go (and the tour would be marketing your own product to homes and halls). If anyone was going to try and do this you are a step or two ahead of most. Heck you already have the BCA Open as a premier event and it could become the flagship event.

For you to actually run the major professional tour of the USA would give you so many ways to use that and your amature tournaments and leagues in support of each other.

Celtic, I did not know Mark Griffin runs the BCA Open. In fact, I was told that the BCA organization subcontracts it out to a vendor.

I agree with you 100 percent, though, that the BCA League and Mark Griffin are a model that should be admired. If anybody can make something happen for the better, it would be this group, the BCA League.

JAM

 

[dabarbr]

Celtic, I did not know Mark Griffin runs the BCA Open. In fact, I was told that the BCA organization subcontracts it out to a vendor.

I agree with you 100 percent, though, that the BCA League and Mark Griffin are a model that should be admired. If anybody can make something happen for the better, it would be this group, the BCA League.

JAM

Mark Griffin is a stand up guy. He takes pride in his reputation.

 

[Fatboy]

having escrow accounts is all fine and dandy but very complicated for a event that only lasts a few days,

i believe the solution is simple, and there is a lession to be learned here. Jay did see a bank stantment but it wasnt good enough. Thats the lession, I'm not knocking Jay-hell he called me at 325am the morning before the tournment went off, he couldnt sleep and was stressed, we were hoping the statments he saww were good-they wernt. Jay did his his best, we were both talking about it the day before and I told Jay make sure you see the $$$, he said he did, I too thought that if it was in the bank then it was ok, we didnt expect things to go bad, I'd love to see that cut-off statment today-the fraud would appear with one big withdrawl that was suppost to go to the players and didnt, thus the checks bounced. Chuck has the cash-it didnt disappear. The lession is bank statments arnt worth the paper they are printed on. Jay did his best and will stay on this like white on rice.


Knowing that what a tournment director should from this point foward, because of this learning oppertunity, and other bad things that have happened in the past and because the economy is bad is be the Escrow Company. Thats a simple fix, Jay, Scott etc. wouldnt run off with the $$$, Hell they could put it in a box at the Hotel or a bank near by the tournment for that matter. This would keep the players covered because its just like posting a bet. Its just posting the pay-out for the WHOLE tournment and other expenses. Who wants to go to a tournment where the $$$ isnt raised before it starts? No one, so the $$$ had and will be in place before it goes off. Sure there are guys who run tournments that are proven to be honest, like Mark Griffen so doing this wouldnt apply, but for people we dont know, or new people in the scene they gotta post up. Just make that a standard way to run a tournment, it dosent take some big complicated multi-layered organization etc to keep people on the square, just make them post or dont run the tournment if your a TD, or go if your a player.

My 4 cents.

 

[fanthom]

Mark Griffin is a stand up guy. He takes pride in his reputation.

How bout a tango team with Mr. Helfert? It's high time the tournaments of our sport be run by people with good character and moral integrity.

 

[BVal]

having escrow accounts is all fine and dandy but very complicated for a event that only lasts a few days,

i believe the solution is simple, and there is a lession to be learned here. Jay did see a bank stantment but it wasnt good enough. Thats the lession, I'm not knocking Jay-hell he called me at 325am the morning before the tournment went off, he couldnt sleep and was stressed, we were hoping the statments he saww were good-they wernt. Jay did his his best, we were both talking about it the day before and I told Jay make sure you see the $$$, he said he did, I too thought that if it was in the bank then it was ok, we didnt expect things to go bad, I'd love to see that cut-off statment today-the fraud would appear with one big withdrawl that was suppost to go to the players and didnt, thus the checks bounced. Chuck has the cash-it didnt disappear. The lession is bank statments arnt worth the paper they are printed on. Jay did his best and will stay on this like white on rice.


Knowing that what a tournment director should from this point foward, because of this learning oppertunity, and other bad things that have happened in the past and because the economy is bad is be the Escrow Company. Thats a simple fix, Jay, Scott etc. wouldnt run off with the $$$, Hell they could put it in a box at the Hotel or a bank near by the tournment for that matter. This would keep the players covered because its just like posting a bet. Its just posting the pay-out for the WHOLE tournment and other expenses. Who wants to go to a tournment where the $$$ isnt raised before it starts? No one, so the $$$ had and will be in place before it goes off. Sure there are guys who run tournments that are proven to be honest, like Mark Griffen so doing this wouldnt apply, but for people we dont know, or new people in the scene they gotta post up. Just make that a standard way to run a tournment, it dosent take some big complicated multi-layered organization etc to keep people on the square, just make them post or dont run the tournment if your a TD, or go if your a player.

My 4 cents.

Inflation?????

By the way TAP...TAP...TAP...

BVal

 

[vagabond]

Maybe I will really crank up the heat and throw in my hat for doing events and a "tour". I honestly think I can do a better job running this than those that are attempting. Just my thoughts - but I am sure welcome to comments. (I must be getting frustrated to even think this).

Mark Griffin
BCAPL
markg@playbca.com

Mark,
You are a nice guy and I don`t like to see nice guys hands burnt.PROPOOL as a buisness venture is a BAD OMEN.Pro players have 'self destructive ' tendencies.Never,never get into it.At the end pros will not have any gratitude for your service and they will not feel sorry for your losses and they will think that you are a fool.They as a group bite the hand that feeds them.Take this advice from this old man.

 

[av84fun]

Somebody posted on this thread -- I don't know where -- that he was selling pool tables on Craig's List right now. That is the only reason I mentioned him selling off assets to get liquid, hopefully to pay the players and Jay.

JAM

Hmmm. I edited out that portion of my post a minute before you posted yours. You must have quoted me before I hit the save button!

Sorry!
Jim
(-:

 

[JAM]

Mark,
You are a nice guy and I don`t like to see nice guys hands burnt.PROPOOL as a buisness venture is a BAD OMEN.Never,never get into it.At the end pros will not have any gratitude for your service and they will not feel sorry for your losses and they will think that you are a fool.They as a group bite the hand that feeds them.Take this advice from this old man.

Are you aware that the BCA League sponsors Shane Van Boening, an American professional pool player?

It is Americans with opinions like yours that keeps American pool in the gutter. What a shame!

JAM

 

[JAM]

Hmmm. I edited out that portion of my post a minute before you posted yours. You must have quoted me before I hit the save button!

Sorry!
Jim
(-:

No problemo!

JAM

 

[ironman]

Mark,
You are a nice guy and I don`t like to see nice guys hands burnt.PROPOOL as a buisness venture is a BAD OMEN.Pro players have 'self destructive ' tendencies.Never,never get into it.At the end pros will not have any gratitude for your service and they will not feel sorry for your losses and they will think that you are a fool.They as a group bite the hand that feeds them.Take this advice from this old man.

This is sad.

 

[BVal]

No problemo!

JAM

English JAM, English This is America!!!!

BVal

 

[corvette1340]

Mark,
You are a nice guy and I don`t like to see nice guys hands burnt.PROPOOL as a buisness venture is a BAD OMEN.Pro players have 'self destructive ' tendencies.Never,never get into it.At the end pros will not have any gratitude for your service and they will not feel sorry for your losses and they will think that you are a fool.They as a group bite the hand that feeds them.Take this advice from this old man.

unfortunately this is what has happened to far too many people including myself. The times I've loaned players money or put on tourneys with added monies, there has been no gratitude and I never saw any of the monies returned. The reason for this is that pool players have to do things in order to survive and sometimes that means biting the hands that feed them. I've always told them though that if pool isn't paying the bills then find another job. I do hope there will come a time when a tour will be a viable business option for someone to make money on. Until then, I don't see it happening.

 

[JAM]

This is sad.

You're right. I agree, and it is sad.

So many people come to the DCC each year and marvel at all the action. They can't wait to get there and indulge themselves. Of course, as we all know, there wouldn't be no action if it weren't for these pool players.

When a pool player is winning, everybody is his friend. They beg him to let them back him in the pit, pay their entry fee for a piece of the pie.

They couldn't even get in action at the DCC if it weren't for these pool players.

Let the pool player lose or grow old, and he is then ridiculed, much like occurs on this forum as evidenced by the ignorant words written by a minute few.

Oh, they want to be every pool player's sidekick, hang out with them, when they are on top of the world. Dance, monkey, dance. Entertain me for free.

When the player stumbles, gets old, and doesn't cash in a few tournaments, it's time to kick them when they are down. They are then talked about like trash, except, of course, when these ignorant no-playing nits go to the golf course and hang out with them like groupies, just to be in their very presence for bragging rights.

Kick the money up.
Kick the money down.
Kick 'em when they're up.
Kick 'em when they're down.

JAM

 

[watchez]

First a big thanks to all the people who have been productively spreading the word of the sudden venue and hotel change for the Shootout. It is in the best interest of pool, the players, the producer (who is an honest to god good guy ). This situation was not caused by Chuck Bobbitt. I want everyone to know that. While yes he is ultimately the person responsible to make sure this event takes place...he has worked his butt of the past 24 hours and has been successful to save the event despite the problems with the Crescent. So...anyone playing or anyone who knows a person who is playing or planning to attend...please let them know immediately. Chuck will have someone at the Crescent redirecting as well as is trying to have someone at each baggage claim at all the terminals at the Phoenix airport with signs directing.

The only difference that will take place at Kolby's vs. Crescent is that the event will be played on Gold Crowns not Diamonds...they did consider moving all the GC's out, but that was not ideal as so much else had to be accomplished in a short time frame. The venue is not as oppulent, but that is just frosting...the added money still exists, the players still exist, the game still exists.

It is true...a persons character is demonstrated when the going gets rough...do they tuck tail and run when a stumbling block comes their way or do they become stronger, not whine, and get moving to find solutions.

Chuck Bobbitt showed his character in the past 24 hours when he was faced with a problem...that he has great character and is s fighter to make everything right...and he is succeeding.

PS...Cocobolo Cowboy knows nothing, is not privy to anything, is not part of the tournament, and honestly is just one of those people who feel the need to just stir up negativity to make himself feel important. Anything that comes from him is pure rot and to be taken for what it is...nothing. I know who you are Coco and always have! Stop your crap now!

This is taken from another thread prior to the tournament. The quotes in red are very ironic, to say the least.

It seems that Holly (who I believe is Mike H. girlfriend) was just as fooled by Chuck as Jay H. & the players were. I am not picking on Holly in any way. It would be interesting to see what Mike H. take on this situation is. I would think he would have a realistic opinion of Chuck prior and now & what he feels will become of all this.

JAM = If you or anyone wants Chuck's phone #s, name of his 'other' businesses (yes, plural) or info, just google him. I won't post it here as others have been 'in trouble' before for posting personal info.

I did find this interested quote from Chuck on one of his business' web pages -

Pool Playing Promotions Would Like To Thank Diamond Billiards For Providing The Desert Shoot-Out With Today's Premier 9' Professional Tables. If You Would Like To See What All Diamond Billiards Has To Offer, Please Visit....

Does this mean that the tables used for the event were not his & just loaned by Diamond? Are these the same tables he was wanting to sell on CraigList but then pulled his for sale ad?

 

[BVal]

The tourney was played on the Gold Crowns already in Kolby's. No Diamonds were ever set up. I am guessing those Diamonds (from Craigslist) were from Alexander's but the ad was taken down because Alexander's is going to try and stay open.

BVal

 

[JAM]

JAM = If you or anyone wants Chuck's phone #s, name of his 'other' businesses (yes, plural) or info, just google him. I won't post it here as others have been 'in trouble' before for posting personal info.

No, thank you. I do not want Chuck's phone number. I do not want to take part in tarring and feathering a man on this forum who only wanted to make something happen good for pool.

I am still optimistic that he will make things right with the players and Jay Helfert.

I cannot imagine how awful he feels about this happening. He had good intentions and did not succeed. I don't think he deserves some of the mean-spirited criticism occurring right now -- not yet.

I am giving this man, the who tried to make things happen for pool, the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell if he makes things right.

I want the players to get paid as much as everyone else, but this man was once a pool sponsor in Arizona who was respected by the locals. Let's see if he can do the right thing. Whatever happens, I have a feeling it will be him whose life will be forever changed for trying to sponsor pool.

JAM

 

[vagabond]

"Don Mackey" will always be my "Pavlov's dog". When I got to the "e" in "people" where I quoted in your post, Mackey was already in my mind.

Anybody know whatever happened to him?


I heard that he is doing fine.

 

[stuckart]

The Shootout WAS to be playing on seven 9' diamond tables that were being provided by Diamond. That statement on the site was there before the venue had changed to Kolby's and they determined to use the Gold Crown's. The other Diamond tables at Alexander's are bar boxes and those were the ones listed in the Old Craigslist Ad.

Diamond didn't end up providing any tables for the event.

 

[watchez]

No, thank you. I do not want Chuck's phone number. I do not want to take part in tarring and feathering a man on this forum who only wanted to make something happen good for pool.

I am still optimistic that he will make things right with the players and Jay Helfert.

I cannot imagine how awful he feels about this happening. He had good intentions and did not succeed. I don't think he deserves some of the mean-spirited criticism occurring right now -- not yet.

I am giving this man, the who tried to make things happen for pool, the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell if he makes things right.

I want the players to get paid as much as everyone else, but this man was once a pool sponsor in Arizona who was respected by the locals. Let's see if he can do the right thing. Whatever happens, I have a feeling it will be him whose life will be forever changed for trying to sponsor pool.

JAM

I hope you are right JAM but you are unfortunately probably wrong. Not picking on you - but I can see how it would be hard to criticize Chuck when KT is still given a blanket excuse for the same thing on a grander scale.

I hear that Chuck now has some ocean front property for sale in Arizona as well. j/k

Knowingly showed Jay a fake bank statement. Knowingly wrote Jay and others a fake check. Enough said.