Stand in line, I know it would be hard writing and calling all those names, but I would suffer those 2 days for only $2100. Save $400 now... call 555-save today.
They never saw the $$$$....
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First, if he is going to be in financial ruins over $30K then he wasn't in that great of financial condition in the first place. He probably should have concentrated on something else -like a second job or his other business (whatever that is) besides a $25K added pool event.JAM said:I know you're trying to be funny!
I cannot imagine the heartache and feelings of regret that must be going through Chuck Bobbit's mind right now.
I know he has to make good for the monies, but here is a man who has sponsored pool events for a long time in the Arizona region.
He may be facing financial ruins because of this event. I feel bad for him.
If he is trying to sell assets to make good on the monies, then God bless him. At least he is trying. I hope he finds a way to get out of this hole.
One thing for sure, pool just lost a well-meaning sponsor. He just got in over his head, IMHO!
JAM
Second, he isn't trying or having feelings of heartache if he is lying & telling a different story to Jay each time they talk. If he was a man, he would simply man up. Come out & say I bit off more than I could chew.
If Chuck has been so great for pool for so many years, then surely he has made 15 friends in that time. Have Chuck call these 15 friends, borrow $2,000 from each of them & pay the players & TD the money that was promised.
I know who has been great for pool - Johnny Archer, Mika, Mike Davis, Jay Helfert, etc. Chuck, at this time, doesn't make the list.
How true...like complacent little sheep...Neil said:
Mark Griffin said:
Mark,
You have the experience of a very successful businessman. While I don't know much about your skills at running a "tour" for professional pool players but I hear from MANY recreational players, that while they previously abandoned the BCA pool league, they are now coming back to the BCAPL and that is a credit to your leadership and success as a businessman.
I would love to see you at the helm of any organization which manages the men's main professional pool players tour. You are doing quite a job at the helm of the BCA Pool League and you showed what you are made of by paying the players what was due them with the Olympics last November.
Just a couple of quick thoughts about the future of pool: With the falling dollar and poor state of the economy (no matter what the government says), it is apparent that in the near future, recreational and professional pool players will have to pick and choose which tournaments they play in due to economic uncertainties. The number of tournaments need to shrink and the quality of the tournaments need to be expanded. In essence, more resources (money, sponsorship, participation) need to expended upon fewer tournaments, IMHO as we deal with the economic and political problems that our nation faces.
The Internet is fast becoming the main medium of communication. Pool video like TAR (www.theactionreport.com) and others are becoming favorite methods of viewing a combination of PPV LIVE and "free" viewing of live pool matches and previously recorded matches.
Good luck and you have my vote as insignificant as it is.
JoeyA
JAM said:I know you're trying to be funny!
I cannot imagine the heartache and feelings of regret that must be going through Chuck Bobbit's mind right now.
I know he has to make good for the monies, but here is a man who has sponsored pool events for a long time in the Arizona region.
He may be facing financial ruins because of this event. I feel bad for him.
If he is trying to sell assets to make good on the monies, then God bless him. At least he is trying. I hope he finds a way to get out of this hole.
One thing for sure, pool just lost a well-meaning sponsor. He just got in over his head, IMHO!
JAM
That is a unfortunate but probably very accurate assesment....
From what I know of Chuck...I can't imagine for the life of me that he would EVER intend for this to happen the way it has.
It is a very bad situation...I feel sorry for the players....I hope everyone (at least eventually) gets paid.
Send them each a grand to cover expenses immediately!! then work out the rest. Too bad this happend, but if they at least get their expenses covered they didn't lose money. Hope everyone gets paid. YES AGREE THEY SHOULD GET ALL THEIR MONEY IMMEDIATELY, BUT I DONT THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BY THE WAY IF YOU THING JAY HAS AN EASY JOB FOR $2,500 THINK AGAIN.
watchez said:
You and I have not spoken to Chuck Bobbit, and neither of us know his side of the story.
I refuse to believe this pool sponsor deliberately, with malice aforethought, intended on ripping off pool players at this tournament.
His only mistake was to sponsor pool to begin with. It will kick you in the ass time and time again, no matter how much you pour into it.
Here's a man who held many events in Arizona for pool players. He was a good guy then.
Today, he is getting roasted on this forum as if he's Satan. Pool always seems to be cruel to its own.
I predict everyone will get paid. The man bit off more than he can chew. He is selling assets, trying to get liquid. Give him a break. He is okay when he was hosting the other tournaments, and now all of a sudden, he's a bad guy? He's a man who tried to do good.
I don't know all the details, but when I see that man's picture, he appears to be an older gentleman. I feel bad for him. I want the players to get paid, too, but I still feel bad for this pool sponsor. We all do not know the full story. Maybe somebody who promised him funds for this event renegged, leaving him holding the bag. There are lots of reasons why this could have happened. This is not his first rodeo, but I'm sure it's his last.
JAM
There are others in history who have been stiffed and by people alot more well known than Chuck B. Danny Harriman comes to mind. The sad part is that Chuck may pay off only the squeakiest wheels and the ones who are more passive and polite will get the worst screwing.
uwate said:
I don't know how much is owed, but if I had to come up with 30 dimes today, it would take me a little while to figure out how to borrow from Peter to pay Paul.
In the instance with Danny Harriman not getting paid by Brady Behrman, this was another example of a well-meaning pool sponsor who bit off more than he could chew. I was at this event and saw what happened firsthand. Between the snowstorm, nobody showing up except the Chesapeake Beach hookers in the bleacher seats, and vendors stiffing Brady for their vendor booth fees, he took a real financial beating.
I sympathize with the players when it comes to getting paid, but I also sympathize with pool sponsors who were only trying to do a good thing and ended up ruining their own life instead.
If you don't think Brady Behrman suffered, you are wrong. He lost everything, and his personal life was ruined for many years because of him trying to host a pool tournament; sponsoring pool, if you will.
Chuck Bobbit is going to suffer as well. I believe the players will end up getting paid late, but this man's life may never be the same. That's a lot of cheesenips.
JAM
I am totally shocked that this happened. I just found out last night while I was up at Kolby's watching Scott and Corey play one pocket. I can only post when I am at work and today is my first day back since Friday. I know who Chuck is but I don't know him any more than that. I have seen him around and said hey but nothing more. I really don't know what to say except for this sucks!CaPoolFan said:
BVal
uwate said:
The bottom line is that if you don't have the money in hand, don't put on the tournament. Sometimes things go wrong, tournaments lose money, vendors don't pay, etc... That is no excuse in my opinion. You can't speculate as to how things should go and then when they don't go as planned just not pay. It was the same with the IPT. That idiot Trudeau did the same thing, only on a grander scale. It is also the players' responsibility to have the payouts in escrow in light of all the recent non-payments.
Apparently I must spread some rep around before giving it to JAM again. The funny thing is, JAM and I have not always gotten along and argued about some subjects before... but I truly admire the way she is always looking for the other side of the story. The truth here is that everyone hears "money" and "stiffed" and no one here really knows what happened, but are very quick to judge. I just feel like sometimes JAM shows a decency and patience with people that we could all learn from around here.JAM said:
uwate said:
"Don Mackey" will always be my "Pavlov's dog". When I got to the "e" in "people" where I quoted in your post, Mackey was already in my mind.
Anybody know whatever happened to him?
Bottom line....This is a case for Hubert "DaddyWarbucks" Cokes... or JohnnyT!
A $ can inspire....
And who says pool players are not honest! Or smart?
That makes you a "professional" since you're smart enough to get paid to post here!
BVal said:
And who says pool players are not honest! Or smart?
That makes you a "professional" since you're smart enough to get paid to post here!
IF IT'S To Good To Be True
That "old sayin" comes around to haunt us more often than not and still we go down the same old road anyway, hoping that this time we won't get bit. I'm sorry that our professional players have to take these enormous risks just to try to make a living. It's very depressing. I couldn't believe the advertized prize money, in fact I was going to start a thread asking how they could come up with this kind of prize money when no one else seems to be able too. I'm also surprised that Jay was taken in by this guy. Just goes to show how much people want pool to be successful.
That "old sayin" comes around to haunt us more often than not and still we go down the same old road anyway, hoping that this time we won't get bit. I'm sorry that our professional players have to take these enormous risks just to try to make a living. It's very depressing. I couldn't believe the advertized prize money, in fact I was going to start a thread asking how they could come up with this kind of prize money when no one else seems to be able too. I'm also surprised that Jay was taken in by this guy. Just goes to show how much people want pool to be successful.
lodini said:
Thank you for the beautiful flowers, Lodini!
In the words of Yogi Berra, "Half the lies they tell about me aren't true."
Aside from Jay Helfert and John Schmidt, there ain't a poster on this thread who's owed monies by this pool sponsor, Chuck Bobbit.
The very fact that he is on Craig's List trying to sell assets indicates his intention to get liquid. I think he is trying to make good on the tournament payouts as we write our posts on this thread. Time will tell, but I'm hoping for the best, with the end result of everybody getting paid.
JAM
Terry Ardeno said:"Don Mackey" will always be my "Pavlov's dog". When I got to the "e" in "people" where I quoted in your post, Mackey was already in my mind.
Anybody know whatever happened to him?
Bottom line....This is a case for Hubert "DaddyWarbucks" Cokes... or JohnnyT!
I head he stole more logchain than he could swim the river with.
Amen Sister!!!
The UPA should pay the players out of their operating fund and go after Bobbitt themselves. The way the viciously went after Barry Behrman after the 9/11-effected Open they are nothing less than hypocrites if they don't take the same outraged stance over this "UPA Sanctioned" event.
MM
JAM said:
The UPA should pay the players out of their operating fund and go after Bobbitt themselves. The way the viciously went after Barry Behrman after the 9/11-effected Open they are nothing less than hypocrites if they don't take the same outraged stance over this "UPA Sanctioned" event.
MM