Top 8 Mosconi picks announced!!!

[(((Satori)))]

“Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent....”

-CC


" ...But the problem with persistence is the simple fact that you will continue to look like a failure, again and again, in the face of adversity. However, in the end, when you do finally succeed, it will indeed be you who gets to say....


How do you like me now? "


- Mr. Bond

The Cleveland Browns will be persistent in their pursuit to win the Super Bowl. However, they will not do it with their second or third string playing for them.

Persistence is a good thing but you must persist with what gives you the best chance.

I don't believe that anyone truly believes the eight mentioned make up a stronger team than Archer, Earl, SVB, Morris, & Hatch.

They are our best. If you truly believe in persistence then you should agree we need to put them back in the box.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

The Cleveland Browns will be persistent in their pursuit to win the Super Bowl. However, they will not do it with their second or third string playing for them.

Persistence is a good thing but you must persist with what gives you the best chance.

I don't believe that anyone truly believes the eight mentioned make up a stronger team than Archer, Earl, SVB, Morris, & Hatch.

They are our best. If you truly believe in persistence then you should agree we need to put them back in the box.

Given the results lately not sure I agree they are the best team we have, to put together for the Mosconi Cup anyway.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Given the results lately not sure I agree they are the best team we have, to put together for the Mosconi Cup anyway.

Who would you bet on being better? Any combination of the eight mentioned would not be good action.

I'm not asking you to pick a team that could beat the 11-2 score either because that was a fluke. The same five would beat that score for sure themselves.

Those five give us the best chance of winning imo but if you disagree then I'd love to hear who you think make a better team. Before you just give an answer for arguements sake know that I am looking for a team that you truly believe to be better... a team that you would be willing to bet on.

 

[PINKLADY]

Mark Wilson is not on AZB - although he does read what is posted here.

I can let you know that Mark was looking for players that were wanting to play for their country, not based solely on the money. If you want to break it down to money, chances are you would not be playing with Mark Wilson as captain.

thank you.

i would hope, that it'd be all about kicking some English arse(s)!

 

[cardiac kid]

I don't believe that anyone truly believes the eight mentioned make up a stronger team than Archer, Earl, SVB, Morris, & Hatch. They are our best. If you truly believe in persistence then you should agree we need to put them back in the box.

Perhaps Mark views that grouping of players as only wanting an opportunity to make a quick buck without regard to results. To paraphrase "using the same losing players again and again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity". New blood was needed. Even if the result is the same for this years event. One veteran and four newbies will grow to five team mates under Mark and Don's watchful eyes.

Lyn

 

[Ken_4fun]

Maybe we don't play all the tourneys ?
Ever think of that

Chris -

Back in the day, (according to Ray Martin), tournaments were a round robin, so there was no "luck of the draw". The winner was who had the winning or highest record, and you played EVERYONE.

The problem of course, is it takes a while.

That, in my opinion, would be the best way.

Ken

 

[decent dennis]

Chris -

Back in the day, (according to Ray Martin), tournaments were a round robin, so there was no "luck of the draw". The winner was who had the winning or highest record, and you played EVERYONE.

The problem of course, is it takes a while.

That, in my opinion, would be the best way.

Ken

I believe he was also talking about straight pool but you could do it with any game.

 

[Mr. Bond]

.....
Persistence is a good thing but you must persist with what gives you the best chance.

I don't believe that anyone truly believes the eight mentioned make up a stronger team than Archer, Earl, SVB, Morris, & Hatch.

They are our best. If you truly believe in persistence then you should agree we need to put them back in the box.

I hear what you're saying. I really do. And to a certain extent I don't disagree.
However, I also think that there is no real reason that the current team couldn't win.
They all have the talent and fortitude, and sometimes it takes more than just the ability to make balls.

Make no mistake, it won't be easy no matter what, but keep in mind the value of the precedent being set here. In the future, American players will have to think about more than just what they want for themselves, and this, character aspect, is nothing but a good thing, even if it takes a while to sink in.

 

[Neil]

Who would you bet on being better? Any combination of the eight mentioned would not be good action.

I'm not asking you to pick a team that could beat the 11-2 score either because that was a fluke. The same five would beat that score for sure themselves.

Those five give us the best chance of winning imo but if you disagree then I'd love to hear who you think make a better team. Before you just give an answer for arguements sake know that I am looking for a team that you truly believe to be better... a team that you would be willing to bet on.

You are missing a little here. Those five may be the best actual players. That does not necessarily equate to giving us the best chance to win. You see, the first requirement, is that one even wants to win, and not the other way around.

 

[pt109]

Chris -

Back in the day, (according to Ray Martin), tournaments were a round robin, so there was no "luck of the draw". The winner was who had the winning or highest record, and you played EVERYONE.

The problem of course, is it takes a while.

That, in my opinion, would be the best way.

Ken

There are problems with round robin....in a perfect world they would be ideal.
I like the 8 man double elimination brackets with 2 A and 2 B winners.

 

[Kel_82]

Nice to see. Deuel get back in the mix, him and McCready are my two favorite players. They are on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as style and personality but I learn much from their videos.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Who would you bet on being better? Any combination of the eight mentioned would not be good action.

I'm not asking you to pick a team that could beat the 11-2 score either because that was a fluke. The same five would beat that score for sure themselves.

Those five give us the best chance of winning imo but if you disagree then I'd love to hear who you think make a better team. Before you just give an answer for arguements sake know that I am looking for a team that you truly believe to be better... a team that you would be willing to bet on.

I'd take whatever team Mark puts together over the squad that got their arses kicked by Europe 3 months ago.

 

[gunzby]

I've been locked down working 72 hour weeks so haven't had time to keep up to date. Is there a reason why Johnny Archer isn't on that list? I'd have him as much of a lock as Shane.

 

[pt109]

I've been locked down working 72 hour weeks so haven't had time to keep up to date. Is there a reason why Johnny Archer isn't on that list? I'd have him as much of a lock as Shane.

I don't disagree with this, Gunz.
A playing captain can be an untenable position, though.
I like Mark as a captain.
But he is going to be like Johnny if they only field five players....
...some extra players would give a captain the benching option.
In the last Mosconi, three of them should've been benched.

 

[CreeDo]

I've been locked down working 72 hour weeks so haven't had time to keep up to date. Is there a reason why Johnny Archer isn't on that list? I'd have him as much of a lock as Shane.

Possibly due to his performance in 2013 - he lost every match he played, singles or doubles.
Hatch did also.

I don't believe that anyone truly believes the eight mentioned make up a stronger team than Archer, Earl, SVB, Morris, & Hatch.

I don't think any of the young guns on this year's team are individually better
than Archer, Earl, SVB, or Morris (Hatch is overrated).

Three of those guys are past their prime, but in their salad days
they probably could give guys like Hall or Sossei the 7.
Even today, they would probably beat the young guns if motivated.

But that's they key word... motivated. Archer has nothing left to win,
and Earl is always looking for an excuse to derail. They've both done MC a million times.
I'm sure they still play to win, but that's not the same thing as being hungry.

So I think there's a chance the young guys could make a stronger team
even if they are not stronger as individuals.

Don't get me wrong, USA is still an underdog. But this was 100% necessary.
If the aforementioned legends failed 6 out of the last 7 years,
it's completely irrational to think the eighth time is the charm.
I don't want the MC to be the Earl and Johnny social security program.

 

[Celtic]

Possibly due to his performance in 2013 - he lost every match he played, singles or doubles.

And possibly due to his attitude of late towards the fans and the sport in general. He was right in the middle of the Buddy Hall auction fiasco where people that paid for goods that Archer was in part responsible to get signed and delivered and the people that paid good money to Archer and Co. had to go through a huge hassle to get what was owed to them (if they ever actually got what they were promised at all to date).

Archer, Rodney, ect... are just starting to reap the results of their many years of acting entitled and beyond any real sense of responsibility for their attitudes and actions. It was LONG overdue. They made this bed, and they finally now get to lie in it.