Tournament Rules that are Completely ****ed!!!

RunoutJJ

RunoutJJ

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Ok here's the situation....


I recently played in a 8 Ball tournament and the rules where... Lets just say... Horrible!!!!!

It was a combination of BCA, APA and Bar rules!!!


The table is open after the break
Call pocket not called shot
The eight ball has to be CLEAN!!! :rolleyes:


The one that takes the cupi doll is if you shoot the 8 ball and miss but scratch the cue ball you LOSE!!!!


One question i had for this TD was what if i was hidden behind a ball an im on the 8 and its my shot. I kick off a rail miss everything (especially the 8 ball) and scratch the cue ball... Is it a loss of game?? The ansmer was NO it is a cue ball foul not a loss of game.

Im i the only one that thinks these rules are completely retarded in a $40 entry tournament????


Oh forgot to mention when i qeustioned the TD he responed with "Im a BCA certified instructor!!" Now he's a really nice guy but i thought his tournament format was down right horrible. No offence to the man but if your a BCA certified instructor dont you think the format should be a BCA one??
 
or APA!!!! Thats how it is in the APA. Thats why i dont play in the APA!!! Why the hell would i shoot stripes (because its what i made on teh break) when the solids are all sitting liek christmas presents waiting to be opened :rolleyes:

Its because its the APA my man!!!
 
why did you play in it if you didnt like the rules ?

i would play in a tournament like that. i like the challenge of playing under different formats. it gives you a good indication of how good of an alround player you are. just remember that everyone else in that tournament is playing under the same rules . if you win that shows you are good st adapting to different conditions. if you lose dont start b*itching about the rules afterward. imo
 
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I played a small bar tournament where they had some "upstate NY rule" , where if you were on the 8 ball you had to hit it or it was a loss of game. So if the 8 ball was behind the line, your opponent would purposely scratch. That way you had to go down table and back just to make a good hit so you wouldn't lose the game. A little more detail on the rule was nothing had to hit a rail, and the cue didn't have to hit the 8 first. I once had to carom into the 8 off my opponents ball just to make a good hit so I didn't lose. I don't care for this way much at all, but I guess its somewhat normal in upstate NY.

I guess it all comes down to every place has different rules and ways to play, and everyone has their preference. I personally hate slop but don't necessarily like call shot. Call pocket would be my choice. Either way, both you and your opponent have the same rules to follow, so just adjust your strategy accordingly to the rules.
 
lorider said:
why did you play in it if you didnt like the rules ?

i would play in a tournament like that. i like the challenge of playing under different formats. it gives you a good indication of how good of an alround player you are. just remember that everyone else in that tournament is playing under the same rules . if you win that shows you are good st adapting to different conditions. if you lose dont start b*itching about the rules afterward. imo
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When you are use to playing by WORLD organizied or saunctioned rules then its what you expect to see. Not a combination of three different formats!! Thats the main point of this thread.

Nowthe whole b*itching about losing is another point you made. I finished in the top beating a couple players 5-0 so my major grimp is with the format not losing because of it :rolleyes:

The major reason for playing in it to begin with was to support my local hall and i also promoted it (BCA Rule format to my understanding!!) so i had to be there to say hi and to thank everybody for coming out. Thats what you do as a promoter and a person that cares about the people you invite to play... Not just "SHOW UP TO MY TOURNEY... THANKS!!! I try my best to help others around the are with their events and promotions..

So that being all said... I AGAIN thought the rules were a littel screwy dont you?? :confused:
 
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RunoutJJ said:
When you are use to playing by WORLD organizied or saunctioned rules then its what you expect to see. Not a combination of three different formats!! Thats the main point of this thread.

Nowthe whole b*itching about losing is another point you made. I finished in the top beating a couple players 5-0 so my major grimp is with the format not losing because of it :rolleyes:

The major reason for playing in it to begin with was to support my local hall and i also promoted it (BCA Rule format to my understanding!!) so i had to be there to ay hi and thank everybody for coming out. Thats what you do as a promoter and a person that cares about the people you invite to play... Not just "SHOW UP TO MY TOURNEY... THANKS!!! I try my best to help others around the are with their events and promotions..

So that being all said... I AGAIN thought the rules were a littel screwy dont you?? :confused:
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my bad . im sorry if i mistook your griping as *****ing. nice to see you supporting your locall, i try to support mine all the time also. congrats on your high finish. yea the rules are a lil screwy . what you expect from a combo of bca, apa and bar ? lol.
 
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RunoutJJ said:
Ok here's the situation....


I recently played in a 8 Ball tournament and the rules where... Lets just say... Horrible!!!!!

It was a combination of BCA, APA and Bar rules!!!


The table is open after the break
Call pocket not called shot
The eight ball has to be CLEAN!!! :rolleyes:


The one that takes the cupi doll is if you shoot the 8 ball and miss but scratch the cue ball you LOSE!!!!


One question i had for this TD was what if i was hidden behind a ball an im on the 8 and its my shot. I kick off a rail miss everything (especially the 8 ball) and scratch the cue ball... Is it a loss of game?? The ansmer was NO it is a cue ball foul not a loss of game.

Im i the only one that thinks these rules are completely retarded in a $40 entry tournament????


Oh forgot to mention when i qeustioned the TD he responed with "Im a BCA certified instructor!!" Now he's a really nice guy but i thought his tournament format was down right horrible. No offence to the man but if your a BCA certified instructor dont you think the format should be a BCA one??
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I agree. I mean, anytime you bring APA rules into a non-APA tourney, you are going to have problems. I"m not dissing the APA folks so don't light the torches yet. I don't have to like their rules that they invented themselves...... The TD sounds like an idiot though because he was involved with BCA so why not go with what he knows, and most of the rest of the pool playing world. Even most good APA players know BCA type rules.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I agree. I mean, anytime you bring APA rules into a non-APA tourney, you are going to have problems. I"m not dissing the APA folks so don't light the torches yet. I don't have to like their rules that they invented themselves...... The TD sounds like an idiot though because he was involved with BCA so why not go with what he knows, and most of the rest of the pool playing world. Even most good APA players know BCA type rules.
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i for one dont want to turn this into another league bashing thread, got too many of them on this site now. i find your comment about apa inventig rules themselves quite humorous. please correct me if im wrong as i havent played bca in a few years. didnt bca come out with a new rule if the 8 was made out of turn without a foul that the 8 is spotted ? if that is a new ruke it seems to me it was just invented as you claim apa invents rules. as i said i may be wrong but i did read that in one of the league bashing threads.
 
No.

Never heard of that one and I doubt the BCA would ever make such a rule.The only time the 8 is spotted is if its made on the break and the player with the option to do so has it spotted.
 
I'm sorry about your bad experience. I have to say though, I don't see anything that one would consider APA rules. Unless if the 'scratch when you are on the eight ball is lose of game' is only APA and not BCA.

I disagree with the 'if you miss your shot on the eight and scratch, you lose; if you miss the eight entirely and scratch, it is only a cue ball foul.' That seems a little iffy.
 
It certainly seems confusing, at the very least.

The true bottom line is that if those are the rules the TD uses, that's what you need to play by. If you can't, for some reason, play by those rules then you should not play. No one says you have to agree with them. But if those are the rules, those are the rules. They apply the same to everyone, so stop making a big deal about it and play. Or not.
 
Oh my god.you mean if you scratch on th e eight you lose? seem"s like they have been playing that way forever ,except possibly in these leagues who think they invented the game's. if they only knew!!
 
justadub said:
It certainly seems confusing, at the very least.

The true bottom line is that if those are the rules the TD uses, that's what you need to play by. If you can't, for some reason, play by those rules then you should not play. No one says you have to agree with them. But if those are the rules, those are the rules. They apply the same to everyone, so stop making a big deal about it and play. Or not.
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That is basically what I would say.

IMO, all fouls should carry the same penalty: BIH for opponent.
The winner should have to pocket the 8 after his suit on a legal shot, to win.
 
RunoutJJ said:
Ok here's the situation....


I recently played in a 8 Ball tournament and the rules where... Lets just say... Horrible!!!!!

It was a combination of BCA, APA and Bar rules!!!


The table is open after the break
Call pocket not called shot
The eight ball has to be CLEAN!!! :rolleyes:


The one that takes the cupi doll is if you shoot the 8 ball and miss but scratch the cue ball you LOSE!!!!


One question i had for this TD was what if i was hidden behind a ball an im on the 8 and its my shot. I kick off a rail miss everything (especially the 8 ball) and scratch the cue ball... Is it a loss of game?? The ansmer was NO it is a cue ball foul not a loss of game.

Im i the only one that thinks these rules are completely retarded in a $40 entry tournament????


Oh forgot to mention when i qeustioned the TD he responed with "Im a BCA certified instructor!!" Now he's a really nice guy but i thought his tournament format was down right horrible. No offence to the man but if your a BCA certified instructor dont you think the format should be a BCA one??
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RunoutJJ said:
The table is open after the break
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2.5 Table Open After the Break
The table is always open after the break and remains open until groups are established. When the table is open, all object balls except the 8-ball are legal object balls. For combination shots, a ball of one group may be contacted first to pocket a ball of the other

RunoutJJ said:
Call pocket not called shot
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Isn't BCA call pocket?


RunoutJJ said:
The eight ball has to be CLEAN!!! :rolleyes:
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This is a modification. in BCA you must only call the pocket. You may hit the 8 off another ball.


The BCA rules change regularly. I would always promote BCA- Modified, meaning that some rules are modified for this particular event.

Like some of the other posters already mentioned, As long as everyone knows the rules upfront and everyone plays by the same rules, It's fair.

Happy shooting Jesse James! Hope you snap off the next one!

Ray

Ray
 
Yeah, it sounds like an odd set of rules for a $40 entry, but perhaps the rules were made to attract more local players and in turn made the pot sweeter?

As long as the rules are clearly established and understood by all before the entries are paid, I don't see what the problem is. :confused:
 
rules

What is out of the ordinary with those rules?

Open after the break = normal (unless APA)
Call pocket = normal (unless APA)
Scratch on the 8 is a loss = normal everywhere

If you want to play different (easier rules for beginers) then play APA.


Plus, who said you had to play in the tournament? If you don't like the rules you don't have to play.
 
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