Pool is nowhere near where people want it to be or think it should be. This isn't golf, tennis or poker. To survive as a professional pool player, you eat what you kill. Pool players have been taken advantage of many many times because of lack of money, lack of proper direction and business knowledge. At the same time, exposure is exposure and you never know what could come out of it.
Lets take a look at golf for example and their most popular player, Tiger Woods. Tiger makes dough, we all know that. When he's playin in the field, no matter if he's in first or last, he's on tv. Golf on TV exploded when Tiger came around. Everyone involved profited. CBS, ESPN, NBC etc went to town putting golf on tv. However, Tiger doesn't get paid a penny from the networks. The PGA and whatever network produces the coverage that event own the rights to all of that footage to use, sell or show however they see fit. When Nike wants to make a Tiger commercial with some of his historic shots, Nike pays the PGA rights to that footage. The PGA provides Tiger with a platform to play, money to be won and the opportunity to sponsors.
Now that might not be the same for all things. I'm not sure how poker on tv works. They may pay the poker players an appearance fee. That, I'm not sure of. Maybe Dippy could chime in on that.
But to be honest, the pool world is almost better to the players than big time sports. TAR for example pays the players a flat rate for all of their PPV events. The problem is, pool doesn't have the coverage of golf. They don't have the big dollar sponsors or huge market to push products on like golf. Its just a small community of people with larger than life expectations. You cannot blame the players for thinking the sky SHOULD be the limit, it just doesn't work like that.
So by the players being on dvds, live streams etc, they might be making money directly from this they may in the future. I know I'm more likely to donate to Alex or Efren because of the magic they've shown me on my computer screen than some mid level professional that never makes the tv table. Or even lessons... I can't imagine Alex being a good instuctor, bouncing around and busting into Elvis every 10 minutes is not a great learning environment, but I would pay $100/hour to hear what he has to say.
So while he may make $0 from his one pocket challenge dvd from Jay/tv mike, he can win a couple hundred playing me because of it and more than likely make more than jay/tvmike do off dvd sales.
I REP'ed you a short answere, I'm sworn to secrecry on that stuff.
Your right on this post as well, the audience sizes are so small its hard to find $$ for anyone.
for example if TAR on a PPV event; pays me $500 to play a big name player who gets say $1500. Because of the big bet and the champion not because of me thus the 25:75 split between the 2 players. Lets say they get 500 PPV buys Now TAR has paid $2000 to the players to come play (I get less because I dont have any fan base). That works out to $4 per PPV buyer $2000/500 buys paid to the players. Thats pretty strong and generous of TAR and for that the players sign a release and waive any future rights to their likeness from that event, its now TAR's property. Thats good biz the players got paid.
I threw myself in the example just for perspective, it could be $1000 each to each player if it was SVB/Earl. Or is Keith popped up he might get more because there would be a huge audience.
Now bearing in mind $4/PPV to the players is pretty good, if TAR got 5000 buys and paid $4/household to the players they would be chopping up $20,000 not $2,000. How nice would it be if he got 50,000 PPV and the players were chopping up $200,000.
Player compensation should be a function of audience size with a minimum guarantee. The NCAA players get robbed by the schools they go to.
If I ran a event where I was tapeing it and making $$$ off it, I would be sure the players got paid based on sales, thats whats nice about PPV you know what you sold as it happens. Selling videos(soon to be a thing of the past IMO) its more difficult to caluate what to pay them, so they currently get paid by some guys quarterly for each video sold-thats a stand up way too-pay them based on sales. Or pay the players on the PPV and video sales/downloads(the future of all media, not tapes/discs). This way players have a pipeline of income. Same as they do for actors. Or give the player a choice-more $$$ up front on the PPV and they waive any future rights to that match/event what ever the case may be.
Its wrong to go stream guys and sell the PPV and not pay the players, IMO if there is a gate the should get some of that, I know there is $$ added so that helps and might wash out to be fair.
The amateurs who are streamed at regional tournaments cant reasonably expect to be paid, I'm talking about the pro's.
Thats how I see it. TAR is very fair and Pat is as well. I dont know whatthe other guys are doing so I wont comment on them because I cant-I would be guessing and I dont guess. I'll be positive and assue they are doing the right thing by way of the players, because with out them what do we have??? I sure am not knocking anyone here, I'm grateful to all the people streaming events.
And yes I know if I was on a PPV the numbers would be very low, I'm realistic about that, I used myself to show the upfront $$$ dont have to be 50/50. In my example it was 25% to me and 75% to the champion. Now if the numbers were tracked from event to event it might be some what predictable for some players, We all know Earl draws big numbers, I believe Keith would be the biggest draw right now(if he played great he would be a big draw for a long time), Shane is a big draw. Fatboy aint a draw.
see where I'm going with this, looking at the numbers and being able to place a value on players, they do in the NBA. We are just dealong with 3 or 4 or even 5 less 0's on our audience sizes and respectable pay-outs. A 2000 person audience is 40 people per state, there is zero $$ with those numbers.
Ok, back to arguing about $400, instead of putting energy into what I was talking about here. the $400 is clearly more important than permanent solutions to get players paid.

But what do I know??
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