TVmike has proven untrustworthy

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As long as we're posting money quotes :-) here's one of my favorites:

"They say that's money
Can't buy love in this world
But it'll get you a half-pound of cocaine
And a sixteen-year old girl
And a great big long limousine
On a hot September night
Now that may not be love
But it is all right"

Randy Newman


Lou Figueroa
 
TVmike said:
Then the production of the dawn fital benefit tournament and memorial scheduled for tomorrow WILL not happen. I am also relying upon those monies to pay my rent this month which is due in 6 days and I am scheduled to produce FOR FREE I might add a full production for this event which is 2 hours away tomorrow morning. I however do not have my own resources to get there. ...
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I have no desire to comment between what is taking place with you and Jay. However, I've just read this thread for the first time and your above quote rocked me to to the core.

WAIT...Mike you are live streaming the Memorial of Dawn Fital, a woman who was brutally murdered and then hoping to profit off the sales of that DVD?

I hope to God Mike you are not really thinking this. I don't know you, do not have a problem with you. Live and let live is my honest to God motto as any one who REALLY knows me can contest.

However the thought of someone live streaming (which in itself does not necessarily have to be so bad as it could share with those who cannot make the memorial the opporunity to respect Dawn's memory) but to then hope to make money off of her, much less anyone's death? I don't know what to truly say, but it breaks my heart on every level. And then complain about the 2 hour drive? Please re-think and re-read what you are saying here.
 
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Holly said:
I have no desire to comment between what is taking place with you and Jay. However, I've just read this thread for the first time and your above quote rocked me to to the core.

WAIT...Mike you are live streaming the Memorial of Dawn Fital, a woman who was brutally murdered and then hoping to profit off the sales of that DVD?

I hope to God Mike you are not really thinking this. I don't know you, do not have a problem with you. Live and let live is my honest to God motto as any one who REALLY knows me can contest.

However the thought of someone live streaming (which in itself does not necessarily have to be so bad as it could share with those who cannot make the memorial the opporunity to respect Dawn's memory) but to then hope to make money off of her, much less anyone's death? I don't know what to truly say, but it breaks my heart on every level. And then complain about the 2 hour drive? Please re-think and re-read what you are saying here.
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That statement ,of his ,you quoted was a jaw dropper but its not the only one. I stated right after that on page 17 that I hope not to see the benefit for sale in a couple of days!! And here we are.

Another thing that is amazing ,,,the original thread was over and pretty much in the archives.(for over a week) Who would you think would be the last person that would want to comment on it and bring it back to the top??




And then to reopen it with a post of selling benefit DVD s!! Mike,,I think you mean well,,but you are making some terrible decisions. The only way anyone is going to pay for these Dvd s is if you set up or provide a account that goes to one of Dawns family members. (what a mess!!!)
 
jay helfert said:
TvMike Said - You sell dvds and you travel see a lot of people. Why wouldn't you be willing to sell it? I sell it to you wholesale and you make money retail. I wouldn't mind if accustats sold them for me and made some money. I know the demand is out there, it's reaching people is the problem. The match was historical talked about as the greatest str8 pool match in history. They will sell themselves really. If you want I can send you one like you said at wholesale I just cant afford to give these out the work I put into them was immense, each one is 5 discs that I made myself with labels so I had essentially burn 10 dvds for each set, one pass for data one pass for labels. I could only send you like 25 copies max right now even if you paid full price from them. It takes days to make a set of just 20 copies.

TvMike said - You want the one for $30?
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Jay Helfert said - Okay, send one along with the Alex DVD's. Let me look at it and I'll decide if I want more. Thnx

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http://www.jayhelfert.com/ to order Pool Wars



o You know what Jay, I am over all of this negative hoopla. I have to sit back and realize how I have somewhat warranted the attitude you've taken. However, you've forced my hand to disclose the real dishonest party here. You ABSLOLUTELY asked for the Bad Blood DVD & denied it just the same-publicly! I have decided that in order to turn my business into a lucrative project, I must forgive all that trespass against me. So whether or not you choose to apologize, I forgive you. I would appreciate payment for any & all merchandise sent, that you care to retain. That that you don't, well please just return it. If you feel as if everything I've done was wrong, then you too shall be cast upon for doing the same. Yet, I'll understand. I refuse to keep this elementary trife brewing, as I will no longer entertain actions negative to my successions.

So to reiterate you have 10 Alex P One Pocket Challenge DVDs ($160) and 1 Bad Blood Box Set ($30) and you will get another 10 Alex P One Pocket Challenge set ($160) in the mail. Tracking number is 0311 0240 0000 6436 1801



My response is below:

A little more contrite and a little less drama. I wonder why, now that the shoe is on the other foot. No more suicide threats or hate mails, or do you want me to post those e-mails, along with the other earlier ones where you changed our deal mid stream. Mike, I will do what I damn well want to do now. I'm still waiting for that full apology from you for screwing me over. You're into me for $360 right now, and I haven't recouped a dime, but you have. I want a full accounting of all your sales of One Pocket Challenge DVD's before I agree to anything else.

Guess what, we make a new deal now. Just like you did to me back in February. I'm out $360 for 40 paper wrapped DVD's, plus one Bad Blood set. I don't think I even want the Bad Blood set, but since you grossly overcharged me for the DVD's I may keep it anyway. How do you like them apples?[/QUOTE]




.......I know i'm late but can I just say that jay said he would "LOOK" at them.. he didn't say he would like to also purchase
them

"Okay, send one along with the Alex DVD's. Let me look at it and I'll decide if I want more. Thnx"

business mike.. business
 
Holly said:
I have no desire to comment between what is taking place with you and Jay. However, I've just read this thread for the first time and your above quote rocked me to to the core.

WAIT...Mike you are live streaming the Memorial of Dawn Fital, a woman who was brutally murdered and then hoping to profit off the sales of that DVD?

I hope to God Mike you are not really thinking this. I don't know you, do not have a problem with you. Live and let live is my honest to God motto as any one who REALLY knows me can contest.

However the thought of someone live streaming (which in itself does not necessarily have to be so bad as it could share with those who cannot make the memorial the opporunity to respect Dawn's memory) but to then hope to make money off of her, much less anyone's death? I don't know what to truly say, but it breaks my heart on every level. And then complain about the 2 hour drive? Please re-think and re-read what you are saying here.
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The stream in question, I believe, was of the benefit pool tournament. I hope anyway.
 
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The stream in question, I believe, was of the benefit pool tournament. I hope anyway.
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Hi Dogs :)

Thanks for clearing that up. It's still a benefit and hopefully any proceeds from anything sold will go to the family. As you know, since you've known me for years from AZB, I don't toss my thoughts on threads between individuals, not my right or fight. However, this was different. Appreciate your help.

Holly
 
Holly said:
Hi Dogs :)

Thanks for clearing that up. It's still a benefit and hopefully any proceeds from anything sold will go to the family. As you know, since you've known me for years from AZB, I don't toss my thoughts on threads between individuals, not my right or fight. However, this was different. Appreciate your help.

Holly
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Holly,

You have always been a great representative for CSI and handle yourself very well here on AZ.

I first questioned if it was a smart move for Jay to start this thread in the first place. As a consumer, I think it is fine to voice your opinion of peoples products and services, but as a fellow business it could possibly backfire and look bad, like name calling, pointing fingers and such.

Jay has a good reputation and nothing good usually comes from starting a negative thread. Personally, I think these things are best handled privately. But Jay decided to take this public.

In this case, we know who has clearly hurt their reputation. Unfortunately, I think he has some growing up to do. I don't think Mike is a bad guy, but he definitely needs to rethink a lot of things in my book.
 
Someone told me that if I did this event and people wanted DVDS as a memorial then I can’t be the one to provide them because everyone will want them for free in the hundreds and obviously there is no way I could possibly do that. So I offered them for $1 for family members and way discounted cost for others to help facilitate the $1 cost for the family members. I have already done the event for free out of pocket and have come out of pocket more while the whole time I have no business even literally going out of the house. So forgive me if I try to recoup some of my losses and costs back by making DVDS of the matches I record. If people choose to not support it, it doesn’t surprise me, they don’t donate or purchase dvds for the most part either but I will not be streaming events anymore even for free unless I want to if I can’t even afford to go out of the house. Even when I charge for events I do it next to nothing Yet I am the enemy because I share my “business” because I’m not a business man.
 
TVmike said:
Someone told me that if I did this event and people wanted DVDS as a memorial then I can’t be the one to provide them because everyone will want them for free in the hundreds and obviously there is no way I could possibly do that. So I offered them for $1 for family members and way discounted cost for others to help facilitate the $1 cost for the family members. I have already done the event for free out of pocket and have come out of pocket more while the whole time I have no business even literally going out of the house. So forgive me if I try to recoup some of my losses and costs back by making DVDS of the matches I record. If people choose to not support it, it doesn’t surprise me, they don’t donate or purchase dvds for the most part either but I will not be streaming events anymore even for free unless I want to if I can’t even afford to go out of the house. Even when I charge for events I do it next to nothing Yet I am the enemy because I share my “business” because I’m not a business man.
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Mike,

I don't think anyone would mind that you are recouping your costs at all especially in your financial situation. I will also say that it was nice of you to do the stream.

What you need to understand though is you need an adjustment on your thinking process about business, your public image and money in general.

People here don't want to hear your financial sob stories. That doesn't mean you are the enemy and people hate you, just we don't want to hear it. Do you want to hear my stories? Trust me, I have plenty too.

If you are not making enough money on your streams, it is one of two things: One, you're not charging or handling the money correctly, or Two, there isn't a market for it.

I suggest you really think about what you type before rampling on about some ideas about how the world is crazy and out to get you. We are all in the same boat and if I had to choose any boat, it would be the good ol' USA boat.

Just like trying to be a professional pool player, you better have something else to supplement your income. Streaming is a tough, small market. Good luck to you and I hope you will learn something from this thread.
 
22 pages? WOW!

Some people are suited for business, some clearly don't have the skill set to do so and require a job. Mike, you need to take TV Mike out on the weekends and rely on a job thru the week.
 
Shame on anyone who would charge for Dawn's memorial tourney footage! The poor woman was murdered and then stuffed into a suitcase! For christs' sake, man. Are you (Mike) for real? And then you complain about the car ride too? BOYCOTT this dude... :angry:
 
So I offered them for $1 for family members and way discounted cost for others to help facilitate the $1 cost for the family members.
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See, I almost knew this is what might happen. Mike would somehow justify
the charging of DVDs. Way discounted, hahaha. That means that Mike is making some scratch from this, after all he did incur expenses right.

I did it for free. Didn't you just mention that you do most streams for free?
Charging the family even one dollar is Way Too Much Mike.

Maybe have to change your name to Martyr Mike.
 
TVmike said:
I was hoping that considering how much negative attention people pay to hatred and disdain against people such as me and the number of people in this thread would support something unequivocally positive I did. Afterall 90% of what I do to begin with I do for FREE as it is. Now if I spent 15 hours working essentially with my equipment which is of very high value then another 10 hours to prepare the DVDS and coming out pocket for the event itself on gas, lodging it is disappointing when people even assume I am trying to do a business move and you assume it is business orientated when there is nothing about business at all.

In fact nothing I do has anything to do with business at all. Business and being a business man refers to ****ing people out of money as much as they can with a smile on their face because laws are written to make this happen. Banks, insurance companies, mortage companies, lawyers these are all business because they are designed to take your money. I don’t front a business if anything I would be classified as an artist or an engineer because I figure out how to do things and or come up with genius ideas and never is the idea to solely **** people out of money. In fact to me money isn’t important at all I give no strength to the concept of money which is why I am in so much emotional pain sometimes because I am FORCED to care about it. In fact I am a slave to the concept of money as we all are. I am forced to live in a false reality based upon slavery and oppression to other human beings because of this concept of money. Who do you think benefits from WAR? No countries do, in fact the bankers and fund BOTH sides benefit. Do you think the people of the countries that goto war want to kill thousands and millions of people? Of course not. It’s purely about business. WAR makes money. So much in fact and of course this is another topic al together but so much in fact that governments kill their own people on a regular basis including and especially this one.

In fact again this may sound crazy but money does not even truly exist. It’s a concept that is used to control you. Money is only in your mind, money could be anything as long as you believe it to be and everyone else believes it to be as well. It only exists when a transaction of some kind takes places and then it simply dissolves form existence. You believe a stack of bills to be powerful when in fact it’s nothing but paper. Being a slave to a forced reality is a painful experience and because I have been awake for quite a while now to this fact it is frustrating when I am forced to come up with money to pay these supposed “bills” forced upon me. In any evolved society money wouldn’t be an issue at all because it would not exist. Human greed and selfish motives drive the concept of money into being a forced reality. Maybe you don’t understand but when the dollar crashes completely those dollars will get you nothing because the perceived value will be nothing at all. When the worlds populations wakes up and realizes that .001 percents enslaves and controls the other 99.99 percent then we can perhaps evolve to the next level of civilized society.
The fact that business’s on a regular basis scam and rip you off for every dime you generate on a regular basis tells me I am not a business man, I do not conduct business.

This is a business, the federal reserve bank of the united states which is not only not a part of the federal government but it has the power to print money out of thin air then loan it out to the us government with interest on money that never existed in the first place. If you figure it out why this is allowed to even exist outside of human beings enslaving each other you let me know. The phrase Money is the root of all evil is heard often because it is. It was created to put you in perpetual slavery.
What I do is art and I ask that I be compensated for my art because it something I care deeply about and my time is valuable. Don’t talk to me about doing business unless you know my motives are strictly to screw someone out of money. The etymology of the word business is to be busy busy ness busyness or further to occupy ones time with meaningless activities.

Maritime law and language explained in the documentary “The occult world of commerce” by Jordan Maxwell will well inform you blow your mind out of the water I suggest you watch it on youtube or google video. You are born into this world through the birth canal or the berthing of a ship. You are a product delivered as merchandise from a ship at sea. We are all slaves because of a “birth certificate” or a manifest of delivery of a product that was delivered, what was delivered on that ship that was berthed. We are all slaves to these unseen masters who write these laws.
Just go outside and look up into the sky and you will know there is so much more to this forced reality placed up on us as slaves. So henceforth none of it matters how we treat maim kill, and create systems to oppress other human beings. This reality is so false but easy to see when when you look at the sky and open your mind.

I am simply trying to be compensated in some small form for something I love to do.
I’m not a business man.

Furthermore you might consider Jay a business man because he has used language and definition to twist and turn a story into something in so fact to **** me out of my money. That’s a business man.
In fact 90% of everything I do related to pool and streaming has been done for no cost at all to others yet I’ve incurred costs at every turn. So I not only enjoy the process or creating video DVDS but in so much it is an extension of the art and engineering skills I have to pay back those costs. As far people sending money and not getting what they asked for or intentionally mislead in a business manner it’s never happened. Yet you say MY reputation is damaged? I never got paid for ANY of those events Bad Blood, DCC anything. So how is it a business and how is my reputation damaged?

You tell me?

Yet I spend another 20 hours working to create something for other people yet, I’m still supposedly doing business for an intention of ****ing people out of money. I don’t think so by definition I am a not a business man because the time I spend is not meaningless.
Chew on it.

Furthermore I think there is a great misconception that I am not employed in fact I’ve been self employed for 20 years. Most recently my marketing and promotions “business” as you define it to be to help musicians went from making nearly 1.5k a week or next to nothing because of the economy. That’s why I’m *****ing. I am disappointed when I do a broadcast and I get nobody donating or buying any DVDS I make because I do everything at my own expense. It further will dis interest me to do such work and spend all the time streaming when no appreciation is shown.
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Thanks for telling on yourself once more Mike. I think everyone gets the picture now, and why I had so many problems dealing with you. For someone who "doesn't care" about money, it certainly became important to you following DCC, and figuring out how to extract the maximum amount from me. Using your argument, I would have to say you have potential as a "****ing" businessman. You had no problem putting the screws to me to the tune of $410! It would have been more if I hadn't revealed on here what was going on.

For you to say you didn't receive any money from DCC is a flat out lie. In addition to the above monies, you have benefited from sales of the DVD's, which you also refuse to acknowledge. Mike, do you really think everyone reading this is in dreamland and utterly incoherent? Several people warned you to quit while you're ahead, but you continue to rant and rave in nonsensical fashion about things which exist only in your mind. You continue to operate in your own little fantasy world. I seriously doubt that anyone can get through to you, let alone me. Good luck, you'll need it.
 
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jay helfert said:
You don't get it Eric. That's correct.
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your right I dont get it.

even though I dont get it, I do get one thing: The amount of time put into this dispute far far exceeds the value of the missing video or what ever the troubles are.


I just hope the players get paid. Thats my new agenda, I want players to get paid. Every time their likeness is used they should get a small piece of the action, IMO


I hope it all works out.
 
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