TVmike has proven untrustworthy
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it is simply not true that people in pool don't care.
there are many caring people on pool and on this site that has been proven time and time again.
All people want is the truth. You never answer the question and never own up to anything, that make it hard to care about a guy.
All you had to do after the problem with the live stream was come on here and say that some things where out of your control and you apologize for not dealing with it n a professional way and for the way you talked to people.
The same thing here, we have all made mistakes and we have all said some things we may regret. The difference is we OWN it and apologize
Honesty will get you alot of respect and leeway.
TvMike
I only know jay by reputation but imo opinon he is a stand up guy, but that is not relevant right now you are suicide is not the answer life is a precious gift please get help. When things seem hopeless they are not people care proof being It's 1:45 am here and I am very worried about you and hope you seek some help it's not a weakness to feel overwhelmed things can always get better but suicide is final if you need someone to talk to I'm here please seek crisis treatment your in my thoughts and prayers
I only know jay by reputation but imo opinon he is a stand up guy, but that is not relevant right now you are suicide is not the answer life is a precious gift please get help. When things seem hopeless they are not people care proof being It's 1:45 am here and I am very worried about you and hope you seek some help it's not a weakness to feel overwhelmed things can always get better but suicide is final if you need someone to talk to I'm here please seek crisis treatment your in my thoughts and prayers
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Desperate people do desperete things !
Do u eva re-read what u wrote ?...Let me commentate...In this Corner U got Jay who by all accounts is set financially in his life plus has a resume from hell fom people who will vouch for him...Now in the the other corner we got tv-mike...All he saying is how much he hates life & how bad he is doing finacially rt now...since this is a finacial situation...Look at it like a 3rd party & the writing is on the wall
Do u eva re-read what u wrote ?...Let me commentate...In this Corner U got Jay who by all accounts is set financially in his life plus has a resume from hell fom people who will vouch for him...Now in the the other corner we got tv-mike...All he saying is how much he hates life & how bad he is doing finacially rt now...since this is a finacial situation...Look at it like a 3rd party & the writing is on the wall
I think you have bad timing to be funny. The guy is feeling overwhelmed and needs to seek help and I hope he does soon. Mike, your getting alot of people worried, so call some one and talk to them, you will see this is a just a small bump in the road and not really a big deal. BTW, I think you have done some nice work in the pool streaming area and hope you continue.
oh boo hoo.. some of us have faced REAL hardship in life. if a bad review on an obscure internet forum is enough to put you over the edge... you won't be missed..
Am I the only one here with a full nutsack?
You really need to get some help man, for your own safety and you really have to handle your business differently. You shipped him the DVD's and odds are Jay won't lie about not getting them. It's not worth it to him to lie about that and he has a great reputation. You needed to ship him another set right away and eat the costs due to the package being lost. Who knows, if the package is found then you might get paid again for your trouble. Also how much does it cost to replace a set of DVD's and ship them? If he's paying $160 I doubt it comes close to those costs. Put the costs on credit if you really had no way to pay it at the time, especially when dealing with someone like Jay who will definitely pay after getting the DVDs. You need to learn how to keep customers. Sometimes good customer service is all you need.
Also never go changing the arrangement around after the deal has been made. If you KNEW you weren't going to be sending Jay DVD's to sell from the start and wanted your cut first then you should have told him that. That's bad business plain and simple. Ultimately I think you have to learn to trust people, everyone isn't out to get you.
Btw I did enjoy tvMike streams, nice to see the talent in different places, and i hope you come back when you're feeling better :thumbup:
MOST IMPORTANTLY though get some help, the professional kind, and i'm being 100% sincere.
This!
Forget about the business advice in here, that should be the last of your worries. Get some help and stop playing the victim card.
its not only JAY, its all the people to talked to like they where dogs on your stream.
you always find a way to blame others.
And dont think you are the only one in a bad spot.
My spot is probably as bad or worse then yours at the moment , but i don't ask people to feel sorry for me and then get mad when they don't.
Like a said people here are usually nice people but they also smell bull shit from across the room.
Take a looks at things in your life and try to figure out why they are the way they are, i bet if you are honest with yourself , if this is possible, havn't seen any sign of it yet, you will see the reason you are where you are is mostly due to your actions.
So you really think if you have the skills you say do people would just go out of there way to screw you and not hire you if you where a nice person, there is clearly something you are doing to turn people away.
Mike, quit playing the victim please. Jay is not responsible for your dire financial crisis as you have eluded to.
Jay invited you to video his and Fat Boys 10 Pocket Challenge at the DCC.
The agreement was for you to make DVDs and send them to Jay. The end result was that you were to receive a percentage of the DVDs when sold.
You reneged on the deal, gentleman's agreement or not. You have shown us previously and today, that you are not a man of honor. Its a simple as that and very plain to see. Yet, you blame Jay and the pool world for your troubles. If $120 is going to save you from being evicted, then it is also plain to see that your financial woes are your own cause and go far deeper than the one deal with Jay. You gallivant cross country streaming pool for free and then you figure that the world owes you a living. Get your priorities straight.
Want to know the truth, you are a fking loser who resorts to threatening suicide to make people feel sorry for you. The truth is, you don't have the balls to go thru with it. Every day, the suicide help lines are plagued with calls from people like yourself who are feeling sorry for themselves and have no intention of doing the deed.
Yes, you need help, big time. Stop blaming Jay and the rest of here for your troubles. You admitted yourself that you were having suicidal tendencies since you were 12 yrs of age. How old are you now and you still haven't done it. That fact alone does not relate to us in any way shape or form.
I know this post sounds harsh but grow the fk up OK.
You've pretty much ruined what little reputation that you had left in the pool world and stop blaming everyone else for your problems.
Its people like you and you alone that are ruining the pool world and Pool forums like AZ with this type of garbage.
This is absolutely the most pitiful thread I have ever experienced on AZ. I hope Dave bans your sorry ass forever.
I will leave you with a bit of William Shakespear.
Man is a master of his own destiny.
Jay invited you to video his and Fat Boys 10 Pocket Challenge at the DCC.
The agreement was for you to make DVDs and send them to Jay. The end result was that you were to receive a percentage of the DVDs when sold.
You reneged on the deal, gentleman's agreement or not. You have shown us previously and today, that you are not a man of honor. Its a simple as that and very plain to see. Yet, you blame Jay and the pool world for your troubles. If $120 is going to save you from being evicted, then it is also plain to see that your financial woes are your own cause and go far deeper than the one deal with Jay. You gallivant cross country streaming pool for free and then you figure that the world owes you a living. Get your priorities straight.
Want to know the truth, you are a fking loser who resorts to threatening suicide to make people feel sorry for you. The truth is, you don't have the balls to go thru with it. Every day, the suicide help lines are plagued with calls from people like yourself who are feeling sorry for themselves and have no intention of doing the deed.
Yes, you need help, big time. Stop blaming Jay and the rest of here for your troubles. You admitted yourself that you were having suicidal tendencies since you were 12 yrs of age. How old are you now and you still haven't done it. That fact alone does not relate to us in any way shape or form.
I know this post sounds harsh but grow the fk up OK.
You've pretty much ruined what little reputation that you had left in the pool world and stop blaming everyone else for your problems.
Its people like you and you alone that are ruining the pool world and Pool forums like AZ with this type of garbage.
This is absolutely the most pitiful thread I have ever experienced on AZ. I hope Dave bans your sorry ass forever.
I will leave you with a bit of William Shakespear.
Man is a master of his own destiny.
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Without going into too much detail on all the sh!t that's been said in this thread - I'm going to bring this back to ONE single point that has NOT been answered.
Was there EVER a tracking number to prove shipment? Seen this mentioned a few times and it goes completely ignored.
Was there EVER a tracking number to prove shipment? Seen this mentioned a few times and it goes completely ignored.
I honestly don't know about tvMike's past but given the situation I really ask that you guys stop railing on him. Whether he's wrong or right in this situation I think everyone has expressed their thoughts. He's already gone on here and laid himself out for you guys. Is it the truth or is it drama? I don't know but is it really worth the risk of kicking a guy when he already seems so down even if you don't believe him?
A lot of you are telling him to man up, or look at his life and know that he is responsible for his actions, or do the right thing, or this is his fault. I've known people who were in depressive states and it is not easy to function the way you guys say. It's not easy to man up when life seems so hopeless. It's not easy to act responsible or logical to the outside world when life does not seem logical to you. When everything seems so bleak your actions really don't make sense to others.
A lot of you don't consider the $20-30 that will cost him to reproduce the DVDs much but for him it could be all he has left or it could be mean another meal for another day. Jay seems to have left the issue so let the guy be.
Mike, if your words are true don't let the people on this forum bother you. When you lay yourself out to strangers on the internet they may say things that seem hurtful but they are just random strangers who have no connection to you. They have their own backgrounds and may interpret your words in many different ways. I don't fault Jay for the way he acted, nor should you, since he acted in business sense not a personal sense. You seem to be in a dark place and your personal self is absorbed in everything, you can't separate it from business so I can see why you feel Jay is trying to hurt you. He is just using business sense and leaving personal emotions out of it. Talk to the people who love you. Stop visiting these forums. People will continue to say things that affect you but know that they are just some random person who doesn't even know you. Get through the day and know that there are people out there who love you. Pool and work are a part of your life, they are not your entire life. Know what's most important is the people around you. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
A lot of you are telling him to man up, or look at his life and know that he is responsible for his actions, or do the right thing, or this is his fault. I've known people who were in depressive states and it is not easy to function the way you guys say. It's not easy to man up when life seems so hopeless. It's not easy to act responsible or logical to the outside world when life does not seem logical to you. When everything seems so bleak your actions really don't make sense to others.
A lot of you don't consider the $20-30 that will cost him to reproduce the DVDs much but for him it could be all he has left or it could be mean another meal for another day. Jay seems to have left the issue so let the guy be.
Mike, if your words are true don't let the people on this forum bother you. When you lay yourself out to strangers on the internet they may say things that seem hurtful but they are just random strangers who have no connection to you. They have their own backgrounds and may interpret your words in many different ways. I don't fault Jay for the way he acted, nor should you, since he acted in business sense not a personal sense. You seem to be in a dark place and your personal self is absorbed in everything, you can't separate it from business so I can see why you feel Jay is trying to hurt you. He is just using business sense and leaving personal emotions out of it. Talk to the people who love you. Stop visiting these forums. People will continue to say things that affect you but know that they are just some random person who doesn't even know you. Get through the day and know that there are people out there who love you. Pool and work are a part of your life, they are not your entire life. Know what's most important is the people around you. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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Hahahahahahaha ... omg, really? go cut yourself ... another piece of cheesecake! Jay has stated he sent you money multiple times and all you have to respond is that the one time you decided to ship things differently (according to you), he mysteriously didn't get the items.
Then you go into how you need the money (umm, who the F doesn't?), how you had a hard life (umm,who the F hasn't?), and then go into car accidents, suicidal tendencies, and a gazillion other things that have nothing to do with FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH A COMMITMENT!
Yeah, maybe people are mean on the internet (OMGZERS), maybe you had a bad life or have mental issues ... whatever. Using that as an excuse to screw over a well respected person is nothing but a joke. You need money? Ask for more donations during your streams. Hell, I'd give you $10 right now if you would just stfu.
Then you go into how you need the money (umm, who the F doesn't?), how you had a hard life (umm,who the F hasn't?), and then go into car accidents, suicidal tendencies, and a gazillion other things that have nothing to do with FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH A COMMITMENT!
Yeah, maybe people are mean on the internet (OMGZERS), maybe you had a bad life or have mental issues ... whatever. Using that as an excuse to screw over a well respected person is nothing but a joke. You need money? Ask for more donations during your streams. Hell, I'd give you $10 right now if you would just stfu.
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